Bitcoin the future money. x12 is possible within 15 years.

[uchegod-21]

Only invest what you can afford to lose is a big lie, bitcoin is a hedge against centrally controlled what they called fiat.

Op, this statement is misleading to those who are new to Bitcoin investment. I don't know why you think it is a lie. Bitcoin is very risky whether you accept it or not. It is not just about volatility; scammers are out there targeting newbies, and human errors such as mistakenly sending coins to the wrong address are all things that can make someone lose their bitcoins unexpectedly.

Back to the issue of volatility, if someone buys Bitcoin with their life savings and money they had kept aside for a specific purpose because of the Bitcoin hype during the bull season, that same person who was enthusiastic about Bitcoin during the bullish season will suddenly begin to panic if the bearish season meets him and he begins to see the value of his investment decline. Such panic can push him to sell at a loss.

The main point here is the panic that eventually leads to impulsive decisions. Investing what you cannot afford to lose leads to panic, and panic is not good for Bitcoin investment.

[FanEagle]

There is absolutely no math that suggests that it can go x12 in the next 15 years, it "can" but it may not neither, there is really no way of knowing this. If people knew this, like actually knew and not just guess, we would all be able to make a billion dollars out of this. It's just an estimate , some prediction by some random person online and that is not a good way to invest.

I am not saying it is impossible for this to happen, of course it can, but it could be x5 too or it could be x200 too, we have no idea of knowing what's going to happen. We should let it be and just invest with DCA long term not because of a certain number but because it is better investment than other investment options that we have.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The statement that says "you should only invest the amount you can afford to lose" Was never for Bitcoin, I believe it was specifically for altcoins which are more like gambling and not guarantee of returns. Bitcoin is highly valued and the chance is very high that even in the future, the coin will do better than three price it is today. It's not a bad decision if Bitcoin is part of one's retirement plan but there's also a saying that warns against putting all your eggs in one basket, there's need to diversify, but fait is not an option for that.

[Vaskiy]

Based on the demand to supply math, there will be increase in the price of bitcoin. At the same time, I don't think such a massive increase in price will happen in the next 15 years. There are possible chances, but my mind isn't ready to accept and whenever I think of bitcoin reaching a much higher price it reminds me of "Too much of anything is good for nothing". Already it serves as rich people's money. Beyond certain limit of growth bitcoin will lose the real purpose for which this has been innovated, and it moves on Government centric.

earlier reaching $100 were a big one. Slowly things changed and we had experienced $125k. Next speculation is about $ 1m. Let's wait and watch how markets were moving, as people have strong belief but lacks investing opportunity because of the increased price.

[BlackHatCoiner]

In 15 years? 12x is plausible within 5 years. Yes, I know it is a bullish, optimistic prediction, but bitcoin went from $5000 in 2020 to $100,000 in 2025. What makes you think it can't go from $80,000 to $960,000 in 2030?

If it can go from $80,000 to just $400,000 within 5 years, where can it land in 15 years? Hint: a lot more than 12x!

[Z_MBFM]

Only invest what you can afford to lose is a big lie, bitcoin is a hedge against centrally controlled what they called fiat.

Just DCA and do not sell. You will later find out that bitcoin is a inflationary resistant and different from fiat.
Best ways to buy bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5563148.msg65953177#msg65953177

Bitcoin is a useful easy means to prepare for the future and old age. Start saving now, bitcoin can still increase 12 times before 15 years to this now.

Do not save the fiat because the government will scam you, they will devalue the fiat for their own benefit. Fiat look stable but fall in value after long time, bitcoin is volatile but increase in value over a long time.

Be wise and do not fall for the government scam fiat trap.

Fiat money will have inflation, this is normal and we all know it but every country has different rules and regulations and financial management of the currency, you must accept that. The depreciation of the currency is not entirely the fault of the government, but yes, it is the fault of poor financial management, but in the case of importing and exporting various products from abroad, some issues have to be faced and due to those issues, the price of the product in the country increases and then the value of the currency decreases, this is called inflation. The government is not scamming you here.

Bitcoin investment is definitely a good investment, but if you invest here, you will not be able to sell it quickly, if you sell it quickly, then you will never get a good amount of profit from it. If you always use Bitcoin for long-term investment, you will definitely get a good amount of profit from it. Bitcoin has increased thousands of times in the last 15 years and can definitely be expected to increase 12 times in the next 15 years. Of course, you will need a lot of patience for this, but you can take advantage of it.

[Miles2006]

The common phrase “invest what you can afford to lose” is the best advice to get when buying bitcoin, firstly accumulating bitcoin is a long term journey besides viewing the plan mentioned above by the op obviously before bitcoin will attain such high value it will definitely take longer time than expected so using the phrase to teach investors to buy using the money they can do without is the best. For example buying aggressively when there’s no proper planning can result to quick loss, aggressive buying without adequate fund also is not advisable besides the DCA strategy is so popular and best for buying gradually with the available fund.

[Ambatman]

Only invest what you can afford to lose is a big lie, bitcoin is a hedge against centrally controlled what they called fiat.

It's not. Because nothing is certain
It's not even assured that Arsenal would win the EPL
There's always a possibility of Bitcoin failing or people failing Bitcoin.

Invest what you can afford to lose is to prevent people from getting emotional and selling when they shouldn't
Reason tend to fly out the window.

×12 is possible, even more is what matters is time and how well.

[Zaguru12]

The statement that says "you should only invest the amount you can afford to lose" Was never for Bitcoin, I believe it was specifically for altcoins which are more like gambling and not guarantee of returns.

No it’s not only related to altcoins it is also related to bitcoin and also all other investments we know, reason been that no matter how certain of an investment been profitable is, no true investor will definitely tell you to go all in. This relationship between bitcoin and investing what you can afford to lose actually was from the early days of bitcoin when it was doubted by lots and yes was volatile with many not knowing where it will head so instead of missing out totally this phrase was used to advice intending investors. Yes we can say this statement after the journey of bitcoin so far can be readdress as possible “invest what you can afford to hold for long time”.

In 15 years? 12x is plausible within 5 years. Yes, I know it is a bullish, optimistic prediction, but bitcoin went from $5000 in 2020 to $100,000 in 2025. What makes you think it can't go from $80,000 to $960,000 in 2030?

If it can go from $80,000 to just $400,000 within 5 years, where can it land in 15 years? Hint: a lot more than 12x!

Yes 12x is plausible in 15 years as OP said, I would have easily said it’s possible in less number of years because we have experienced bitcoin actually does a 10x in a single four year cycle, to be specific bitcoin moved from $15500 in November 2022 to $126k in October 2025, that’s 8x in less than complete 3 years.

The only reason why I definitely will say it will take this 15 years for a 12x is because of the volatility which is reducing almost as the market cap goes high.

[coinlary]

The statement  was never really a thing, it was introduced in gambling to prevent people from losing what they cannot afford, shitcoiners started using it aswell because most of their random memecoins and some altcoins are more like gambling. But hey!  We still have alot of people who aren’t  properly investing or doing it in a propee  way , maybe the statement could probably fit for them.

For sure the risk is always there, it’s left to an investor to make some preparations to prevent them from selling early, thereby putting them at a possible risk of losing some money.

[Orpichukwu]

Do not save the fiat because the government will scam you, they will devalue the fiat for their own benefit. Fiat look stable but fall in value after long time, bitcoin is volatile but increase in value over a long time.

We should not leave all our earned money in local currency; inflation will kill it, but we should not also risk all our money and invest it all in Bitcoin. Unexpected expenses will push us to sell before maturity (targeted selling time). 'Don't invest what you can't afford' should be a phrase to moderate our investment, not to go all in. We should have backup in case we lose our job, have family issues, need to pay rent, etc. At least there should be enough fiat to get all those covered.

[KingsDen]

The price today is $81,000 so x12 would put the price just under $1,000,000. It’s possible but I think we’re maybe looking at 20 years for that.

I would he delighted with $600,000 in 12 years to be honest.

I was on call with a friend of mine today, he was seriously talking to be about funds pool to invest in bonds for retirement. I have known about bonds but haven't invested. I told him that I am already in bitcoin and I will like to have my retirement plans in bitcoin and not what I do not actually understand.

If BTC can $600k in 12 years, it will be a good retirement plan. But my problem with bitcoin is that we are always guessing the top and we don't have a reliable insight for the bottom. If what benefit will it be for BTC to make $600k and still fall back to $180k during bear market?

[AVE5]

Only invest what you can afford to lose is a big lie, bitcoin is a hedge against centrally controlled what they called fiat.

From a common sense of understanding, that description "INVEST WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE " is a significant attributes that encourages investors risk tolerance whereas, those who're expecting to be rich in the short term don't have to be too trustworthy that they'd actualize their goals in the short time.
So such investors who tends to calculate the market price in the short time maybe selling at lost.
And also why you're investing in the long term, only invest with discretionary so that you can have peace of mind over short term volatility behavior. This is why it's also advised not to invest with borrowed funds because you can't predict when price will rise to your benefits.
The statement really means a lot. Not really that it's ideal as that of investing in the Meme hyping coins which looses it total values overnight after projectors making away with people investment funds.
Bitcoin really don't lie like that rather, you just have to employ your patient in the service until further notice when you feel satisfied to sell.

[LogitechMouse]

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Bitcoin is a useful easy means to prepare for the future and old age. Start saving now, bitcoin can still increase 12 times before 15 years to this now.

Do not save the fiat because the government will scam you, they will devalue the fiat for their own benefit. Fiat look stable but fall in value after long time, bitcoin is volatile but increase in value over a long time.

Be wise and do not fall for the government scam fiat trap.

You're basing your opinion on the history of the price of Bitcoin, and there's no problem in it. In fact, I'm also thinking of storing some Bitcoin for my retirement or at least when the time comes that I can't work anymore. It's too early for me though to think about retiring since I'm still on my late 20's.

I don't agree nor disagree though in your prediction that Bitcoin will increase 12 times in the next 15 years. Just a random number I guess. If you will look at history, the difference between the peak price of the 2017 and 2021 bull run is around 3x more or less. In the 2021 and 2025 bull run, the difference is less than 2x. The point is, it's harder for Bitcoin to get pumped to higher prices since it needs more money getting injected before it reach the price anybody wants to. I don't know if this prediction of yours will happen, but right now, I'm leaning towards the fact that it will not happen.

As for saving fiat though, not totally against it, but my thinking is that, I only save fiat money for emergency funds. Nothing more. Spare money? Going to invest it into cryptocurrency or whatever asset classes there is.

[Peanutswar]

When it comes to volatility we knew that the bitcoin has this characteristic and its not regulated so people have the freedom, so if you see a potential with the bitcoin you will grab the opportunity like what we did right now having a DCA with the price of the bitcoin at the discounted price i can see this a good run for the next market cycle of the bitcoin. But again, there is a risk here if you dont make an all-in with the bitcoin distribute your assets only you are willing to spent just one mistake with the position it could burn it out your money instantly.

Well, you can't escape with the use of fiat because every country has their own, all you can do is to find a good investment so your fiat not only sleeping at your wallet and just small accumulation of APY. Savings cant make you rich. Invest does.