Distrust @MaxMueller (a connection to @1miau?)

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Sometimes I wonder if you even understand your own words, and I am convinced those aren't cause in other threads I have seen your English is not as blazing hot as it looks here.

You got your replies and your support in this, so no need for your waterfall of complicated words to continue. Do you talk like that in regular life as well? If so then it must be more hard around you than here.
Anyway, it's up to bullrun now to think about if he wants to delete/adjust the feedback or don't. Any more "articulate and eloquent" posts won't change a thing about that. 

[MaxMueller]

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☝️ This is exacly what i mean with low-threshold attacks.

What is the argument behind this post?

My argument is, that changing trust feedback to neutral + ignoring each other is not enough, because that is exacly what i described as a successful attack (false claims stay visible) at zero costs.

[MinoRaiola]

The consequence is that factual argumentation cannot compete structurally. Fact-oriented participants are marginalized or forced to conform (Gresham’s Law). That is exacly what @MinoRaiola described with his activity observation. This is not a hypothetical scenario, but a reality we have been experiencing for quite some time in german local.
And in the end, the trust system itself is damaged: How can I trust a system if I know a DT1 member whom I consider deeply untrustworthy?

The trust system is used by the users to show security and trust. However, there is also a negative side and this is exploited and manipulated to, for example, make users with lower status look bad. This was done to me, for instance, even though the system is simple, but the people behind it arent perfect. So for me, it is good for a quick status check. I dont think it is designed for making truly profound decisions.

Something positive should come out of negativ or mistakes. I already written, an escalation only leads to even more escalation.

[nutildah]

And in the end, the trust system itself is damaged: How can I trust a system if I know a DT1 member whom I consider deeply untrustworthy?

You're not the first person to feel this way and you won't be the last. We all know at least 1 account on DT1 we don't trust. It might be me for some people. That's just the way it is. Its not a perfect system, but I wouldn't throw it away because of your personal experience.

The trust system is used by the users to show security and trust. However, there is also a negative side and this is exploited and manipulated to, for example, make users with lower status look bad. This was done to me, for instance, even though the system is simple, but the people behind it arent perfect.

You're right, the people behind it aren't perfect. Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like your particular situation (whatever it was) has been resolved. If so, that's proof that the trust system can indeed work as intended.

[PrivacyG]

If the Trust system was changed every single such conflict started between two Members, it would be really messed up right now and we would have to adapt to the newest rules every other week.

There is no such thing as an universally accepted DT1 Member.  There will always be exceptions.  The main point is I suppose keeping that number of exceptions as low as possible and I do not find that the current system is favoring them.

[Little Mouse]

Anyway, it's up to bullrun now to think about if he wants to delete/adjust the feedback or don't. Any more "articulate and eloquent" posts won't change a thing about that. 

You spread lies against me. Should I neg tag you?

[MinoRaiola]

You're right, the people behind it aren't perfect. Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like your particular situation (whatever it was) has been resolved. If so, that's proof that the trust system can indeed work as intended.

After a long time of attacks and distrust at me (some of them was manipulated), I put an end to the situation. I did this by offering to put an end to the attacks and to act peacefully going forward, not just for my own (which isnt important to me), but for German local. Many long time users have read these negative posts and, over this long time, they dont came back, or they dont be active right now with his old accounts.

So it was much more important to me that the community no longer suffer from this. Karma has taken care of the situation, and I believe that this also applies to everything else.


Back to the topic, and maybe with a happy end

If it matters: MaxMuellers nickname has been changed. In the past it was Turbartuluk.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Anyway, it's up to bullrun now to think about if he wants to delete/adjust the feedback or don't. Any more "articulate and eloquent" posts won't change a thing about that.  

You spread lies against me. Should I neg tag you?

LOL, if you read the post again you would see that I confused 2 websites, so I updated the thread over a MONTH AGO ( use google translate like you did before ) , instead if just posting the link you should have read it again, reading helps sometimes.   And even apologized here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2360806.msg66755323#msg66755323
Unlike you I can admit mistakes and act like a grownup man, since I am an honest person.



Anyway I am done talking to you after everything you did, so please don't address me any further.
Thanks for 2 already useless feedbacks, very trustworthy, thoughtful as well as pitiful gesture.

[Little Mouse]

Anyway I am done talking to you after everything you did,

Did what? Offering interest free loans? Or the advance weekly sig payment?
In returns, what did I get? The defamation? Lies against me?

Such a disgraceful person you are! I have never met such one like you in internet.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Anyway I am done talking to you after everything you did,

Did what? Offering interest free loans? Or the advance weekly sig payment?
In returns, what did I get? The defamation? Lies against me?

Such a disgraceful person you are! I have never met such one like you in internet.

What you did huh? Asking me to leave a campaign that runs for years to join your crew with the words even when the campaign ends you will always put me into something else. Then you remove me from a campaign (for "budget reasons") and put me into a campaign that ends 1 days later (coincidence, right). Then you say in some days you will put me into something else, that's when I never heard from you again. Not even an update or anything for a month, that's when I got fed up with you.

So yes, after all you did. Also, an advance is not an interest free loan per se, and by the way I even offered interest for the ADVANCE. Also, there was ALWAYS only an advance (you even wrote a feedback with that wording), never anything else, yet another thing you made up in your mind.

And AGAIN, learn to read, I immediately edited after I found out that monkeytilt wasn't your campaign, a confusion is NOT a lie. Really sad how bad your English is. Why else would I even come down to apologize to somebody like you if I didn't admit the mistake. Obviously you don't even deserve an apology since you are just a bitter person.

And for the last time, done talking to you since you can't even see between YOUR truth and reality. Good bye.

[Little Mouse]

Anyway I am done talking to you after everything you did,

Did what? Offering interest free loans? Or the advance weekly sig payment?
In returns, what did I get? The defamation? Lies against me?

Such a disgraceful person you are! I have never met such one like you in internet.

What you did huh? Asking me to leave a campaign that runs for years to join your crew with the words even when the campaign ends you will always put me into something else. Then you remove me from a campaign (for "budget reasons") and put me into a campaign that ends 1 days later (coincidence, right). Then you say in some days you will put me into something else, that's when I never heard from you again. Not even an update or anything for a month, that's when I got fed up with you.

So yes, after all you did. Also, an advance is not an interest free loan per se, and by the way I even offered interest for the ADVANCE. Also, there was ALWAYS only an advance (you even wrote a feedback with that wording), never anything else, yet another thing you made up in your mind.

And AGAIN, learn to read, I immediately edited after I found out that monkeytilt wasn't your campaign, a confusion is NOT a lie. Really sad how bad your English is. Why else would I even come down to apologize to somebody like you if I didn't admit the mistake. Obviously you don't even deserve an apology since you are just a bitter person.

And for the last time, done talking to you since you can't even see between YOUR truth and reality. Good bye.

Still you are spreading lies. I can't believe such a liar exists. And to cover up your lies, you deleted all the telegram chats (I can't see them). Why did you delete them? So you can post lies after lies?

Can you imagine how shameful you are? You started to post lies against me ever since I removed you from a campaign. I was fine as long as I had you in my campaign. And guess what? Winna was fine as long as you were Winna's campaign.

Should I learn to read? Not sure but you have problem with reading/understanding English for sure. Hhampuz has also noticed that long ago, not only myself.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Still you are spreading lies. I can't believe such a liar exists. And to cover up your lies, you deleted all the telegram chats (I can't see them). Why did you delete them? So you can post lies after lies?

Can you imagine how shameful you are? You started to post lies against me ever since I removed you from a campaign. I was fine as long as I had you in my campaign. And guess what? Winna was fine as long as you were Winna's campaign.

Should I learn to read? Not sure but you have problem with reading/understanding English for sure. Hhampuz has also noticed that long ago, not only myself.

LOL, I deleted the chat in April or so already, after I realized how fake you are. Even seeing your chat in my list made me sick. Also, I criticized winna for what they are doing WAY before I left the campaign, get that straight. And 1 day after my critique I was removed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66511784#msg66511784 after this one I got cut a day later
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66427746#msg66427746
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66399061#msg66399061

All of these posts were before or even way before I left the campaign, and I am sure there are others. Yet another lie of you exposed. Nothing has been "good" while I was in the campaign.

Back to enjoying my life now, you should do the same.

[Little Mouse]

Still you are spreading lies. I can't believe such a liar exists. And to cover up your lies, you deleted all the telegram chats (I can't see them). Why did you delete them? So you can post lies after lies?

Can you imagine how shameful you are? You started to post lies against me ever since I removed you from a campaign. I was fine as long as I had you in my campaign. And guess what? Winna was fine as long as you were Winna's campaign.

Should I learn to read? Not sure but you have problem with reading/understanding English for sure. Hhampuz has also noticed that long ago, not only myself.

LOL, I deleted the chat in April or so already, after I realized how fake you are. Even seeing your chat in my list made me sick. Also, I criticized winna for what they are doing WAY before I left the campaign, get that straight. And 1 day after my critique I was removed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66511784#msg66511784 after this one I got cut a day later
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66427746#msg66427746
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66399061#msg66399061

All of these posts were before or even way before I left the campaign, and I am sure there are others. Yet another lie of you exposed. Nothing has been "good" while I was in the campaign.

Back to enjoying my life now, you should do the same.

You are blind because you want to be blind. You can't see that after few weeks, the budget was minimized.
You are liar because you criticized the project but never put feedback on their profile as long as you were in campaign. Maybe you don't have the ball because you were getting paid $120/week (the only option to get above average).
Speaking of criticism, I have been managing campaigns for years and no one can ever say that. You have sick mentality and that's why you wanted a correlation and you made up one. Make sense? May not make sense to you because you have a sick mentality.

[SuperBitMan]

I'm not sure why people cannot just ignore each other and move on? I feel the same way when I read through the bs from other members who hate each others threads and it's the same, you dislike each other and cannot find common ground and likely never will.

Rather then fight n argue for the next 2 years and coming to no conclusion, just click the little ignore button and stop worrying about what the other 1 has to say.

One thing some set of people don’t understand is that not every disagreement needs to become a fight. If you can’t reach an agreement then stay respectful, avoid personal attacks, and move on however, it  seems People often can’t just ignore each other because of emotions and pride and that is why you see people fighting each other for years, just wasting their precious time on internet fight that has no reward.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Still you are spreading lies. I can't believe such a liar exists. And to cover up your lies, you deleted all the telegram chats (I can't see them). Why did you delete them? So you can post lies after lies?

Can you imagine how shameful you are? You started to post lies against me ever since I removed you from a campaign. I was fine as long as I had you in my campaign. And guess what? Winna was fine as long as you were Winna's campaign.

Should I learn to read? Not sure but you have problem with reading/understanding English for sure. Hhampuz has also noticed that long ago, not only myself.

LOL, I deleted the chat in April or so already, after I realized how fake you are. Even seeing your chat in my list made me sick. Also, I criticized winna for what they are doing WAY before I left the campaign, get that straight. And 1 day after my critique I was removed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66511784#msg66511784 after this one I got cut a day later
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66427746#msg66427746
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551523.msg66399061#msg66399061

All of these posts were before or even way before I left the campaign, and I am sure there are others. Yet another lie of you exposed. Nothing has been "good" while I was in the campaign.

Back to enjoying my life now, you should do the same.

You are blind because you want to be blind. You can't see that after few weeks, the budget was minimized.
You are liar because you criticized the project but never put feedback on their profile as long as you were in campaign. Maybe you don't have the ball because you were getting paid $120/week (the only option to get above average).
Speaking of criticism, I have been managing campaigns for years and no one can ever say that. You have sick mentality and that's why you wanted a correlation and you made up one. Make sense? May not make sense to you because you have a sick mentality.

No whatever you write doesn't make sense (not only grammatically but also content wise), as always. You just change the narrative once I show clear evidence that what you wrote was a lie (red trust reason? just like you said right?). But what else is new. I always voice my concerns about casino sites, whether good or bad or I participate in a campaign or not. That's called having integrity.

Just throw out some more insults, which actually would make way for feedback, but your reason for something like this is just a joke.

Going out now getting some drinks, ignore button is activated for you. Sayonara keyboard warrior

@rest of people: Sorry for the off topic, but this guy is just trying to trigger me, just ridiculous and weak.

[MaxMueller]

I think the last five posts by my fellow countryman and the OP illustrate the problem quite well.
No respect, no politeness, no recognition of one's own faults.

Is there any chance I could get the DT1 members reading this to take a closer look at 2024Bro's other activities?
Otherwise I guess the negative Trust feedback and the false claims will probably stay forever. 

[nutildah]

Is there any chance I could get the DT1 members reading this to take a closer look at 2024Bro's other activities?
Otherwise I guess the negative Trust feedback and the false claims will probably stay forever. 

Its clearly emotionally-driven, unconstructive feedback and it should be removed. There isn't really anybody here defending his position. So my guess is if this person is undeterred by several points of view that the feedback is incorrect, their DT score will eventually drop as they will continue to leave controversial trusts in the future. Hope that doesn't happen.

For the time being, this is their only trust rating that I disagree with and as I'm not very familiar with either of you, I wouldn't exclude somebody over just 1 trust rating (normally).

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I think the last five posts by my fellow countryman and the OP illustrate the problem quite well.
No respect, no politeness, no recognition of one's own faults.

Is there any chance I could get the DT1 members reading this to take a closer look at 2024Bro's other activities?
Otherwise I guess the negative Trust feedback and the false claims will probably stay forever. 

LOL, seems like you are looking for another trust little man. You talking about politeness sounds like a big joke to me. No wonder nobody likes you, well maybe "miau" did. 

Being a "fellow countryman" sounds really bad, please don't say that. We are in no form whatsoever fellows.