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July 31, 2026, 02:45:06 PM
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Questions and a discussion about Coldcard wallet hardware device compromises.  Is there a any chance that keys to physical coins that we buy sell and collect here on the forum possibly being  compromised hardware, I am not much of a tech guy so I don't even know if what I'm asking is even possible, But I do know that coldcard wallet is like the OG in btc hardware wallets, and its a little unsettling what is going on right now. any input from more knowledgeible members of the group would be appreciated.  also below is a link from jack Dorsey's X account talking more about on what has happened and what is known so far.  

link:  https://x.com/jack/status/2083104687016825283?s=10


(also sorry I haven't been around much on the forum the last few months, been dealing with some personal things)  thank you for your time.   RS
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July 31, 2026, 03:00:22 PM
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Good thread to have, and fair question given how foundational Coldcard has been in this space.

For anyone wondering about physical collectibles here: the key generation process I use for f*D pieces doesn't involve Coldcard or any commercial hardware wallet at all. Keys are generated on a dedicated offline system using standard, well-vetted cryptographic randomness sources, not anything tied to a specific hardware wallet's onboard RNG. From what's being reported, this issue is specific to certain firmware versions of that particular device substituting predictable data for true randomness, which is a different failure mode entirely from a general-purpose offline setup.

I'll leave the deeper technical breakdown to people more qualified to speak on Coldcard's internals specifically. But wanted to speak up for the collector/physical Bitcoin side of things, since I know a few of you hold pieces from me and others in this space, and it's a fair thing to ask about.

Appreciate you raising it openly, RS. Hope things ease up for you outside the forum too.

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August 02, 2026, 03:34:33 AM
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Basically when you buy a collectable, you are trusting the maker to use sufficient randomness for the key generation. It's not that different from hardware wallets in that respect tbh.

A few years ago, there was an incident where all ColdKey (not to be confused with Coldcard) coins were remotely swiped by the creator one day and a lot of people got rugpulled.

My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Cold Kuntz!!

 
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Basically when you buy a collectable, you are trusting the maker to use sufficient randomness for the key generation. It's not that different from hardware wallets in that respect tbh.

A few years ago, there was an incident where all ColdKey (not to be confused with Coldcard) coins were remotely swiped by the creator one day and a lot of people got rugpulled.

My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Cold Kuntz!!


 Coldkey was pre planned and malicious in nature.

 ColdCard was dumb as shit for them not checking their own software randomness or in intentionally bypassing it.

  What Went WrongFirmware Bug: A code error in Coldcard firmware (introduced around March 2021) bypassed the device's hardware True Random Number Generator (TRNG).
  Weak Randomness: Devices fell back to a predictable software pseudo-random number generator (Yasmarang), drastically reducing the entropy (randomness) of generated 12 or 24-word seed phrases.
  Exploitation: Attackers used the predictable output space to brute-force private keys and steal millions in Bitcoin from single-signature wallets

  

  Read here>>  https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2026/07/31/major-bitcoin-wallet-flaw-drains-594-btc-in-25-minute-sweep

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August 02, 2026, 03:16:06 PM
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My two sats - the “bug” was intentional and someone at coldcard took the funds.

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This should be a little bit more specific on how it happened.



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August 02, 2026, 11:14:33 PM
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Basically when you buy a collectable, you are trusting the maker to use sufficient randomness for the key generation. It's not that different from hardware wallets in that respect tbh.

A few years ago, there was an incident where all ColdKey (not to be confused with Coldcard) coins were remotely swiped by the creator one day and a lot of people got rugpulled.

My Cold Keys Just Got Swiped! All Cold Kuntz!!


 Coldkey was pre planned and malicious in nature.

 ColdCard was dumb as shit for them not checking their own software randomness or in intentionally bypassing it.


insufficient randomness basically means that there will be few possibilities of seeds to be generated.

An attacker knows exactly what is the device's TRNG. He just keep generating seeds and looking for seeds with balance. This works because the randomness is only 40 bits (240 possibilities), not 128 bits (2128 possibilites)

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August 03, 2026, 02:56:40 PM
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thank you all for your input, I have been educating myself on your info and been combing X .com for more, have a great day guys =)
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 Is there a any chance that keys to physical coins that we buy sell and collect here on the forum possibly being  compromised hardware,   RS

  I hope not.... One of my BIP 38 wallets has been on the internet for 9 years since 2017 and has yet to be swept with an exposed pub addy and private key for all to see and take!

  I have used these wallets in many of my collectables alongside using mycelium as well.

 

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Coldkey was pre planned and malicious in nature.

The more I read the more it looks like it was an inside job. The bug was introduced by a member of their team using an alias and was reported to them several times over the years by different people. I hate that the term ‘retirement attack’ has been added to my vocabulary and it makes me uncomfortable that this is a possibility in Bitcoin collectibles that seemingly has no backwards compatible solution.

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Coldkey was pre planned and malicious in nature.

The more I read the more it looks like it was an inside job. The bug was introduced by a member of their team using an alias and was reported to them several times over the years by different people. I hate that the term ‘retirement attack’ has been added to my vocabulary and it makes me uncomfortable that this is a possibility in Bitcoin collectibles that seemingly has no backwards compatible solution.

  If this was preplanned or not...I hope these people burn in hell. How the hell do they live with themselves after destroying other people?
I do pray Karma takes care of em down the line

 
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  If this was preplanned or not...I hope these people burn in hell. How the hell do they live with themselves after destroying other people?
I do pray Karma takes care of em down the line

Some of their old posts are downright suspicious. Here they seem to be letting people know how to avoid the retirement attack that was coming years later…



After describing the retirement attack and having the exact scenario play out, even Grok has suspicions.



I don’t know what can be done about this, but it hurts the community for sure. If this had been Casascius coins or my Minted Seats I would be a very sad guy. Has me rethinking the whole cold storage collectibles thing.

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Another sad day for the space due to the debacle of cold card. I’ve been saying for a while it’s inevitable we see another big upset.

Anyways, going off of what F*D said, cold key doesn’t relate to all makers key generation process. For anyone who has VIP Coins my key gen process is open source.

https://github.com/VipBitcoins/keysheets

This is one rare occasion that I agree with Mopar. I too believe, “the “bug” was intentional and someone at coldcard took the funds.”

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August 06, 2026, 09:05:06 AM
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Nothing like the Coinkite CTO asking his own alias to use his own code in the Coldcard software.



If this wasn’t done intentionally, there sure is a lot of strange things that happened with seemingly no explanation. The more I read about this though, the more it seems clear what happened. The surprising part to me is just how long they waited. They must have been watching Coldcard balances grow and biding their time.

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August 06, 2026, 03:52:50 PM
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They must have been watching Coldcard balances grow and biding their time.

My assumption is that due to the job opening coinkite had for someone who's job would be to review fw code that they decided it was time to hit the exit.

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