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September 27, 2026, 07:46:21 AM
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Well articulated. Trust and the network effect are indeed the invisible glue holding the whole system together. Without people placing their trust in the rules and immutability of the network, scarcity alone wouldnt carry this kind of value
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September 27, 2026, 07:48:34 AM
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In my opinion, one of the most interesting economic questions about Bitcoin is the following: what drives voluntary money the most: scarcity, utility, network effects or trust?

All your worries and reason why you think Bitcoin isn't a good fit to be a currency is the exact reason why Bitcoin is being adopted by those doing so because it brings the ability of freedom to do what ever you want and that's a good fit for a currency than fiats can ever be. We should be the ones deciding how the currency flows and not the government, I shouldn't be forced to spend my money or saved/invest, any decision I want to take should be all me and that's exactly what Bitcoin stands for. If you don't spend today, you'll do it some day but before then others are making use of the network and that's what keeps it moving. Trust, freedom all drives the growth of Bitcoin, inflations has no effect over here. We can't safe fiats because inflation takes it worth less but not so with Bitcoin as just hodling is enough.

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September 27, 2026, 09:10:16 AM
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In my opinion, one of the most interesting economic questions about Bitcoin is the following: what drives voluntary money the most: scarcity, utility, network effects or trust?

The concept of trust can generally only be applied to government‑issued money. Bitcoin does not require trust, as the system’s operation is ensured by cryptography.

Bitcoin doesn't ask for you to trust it. And that's precisely why it's worth the voluntary trust, right?

Anyway, I think it's this kind of trust that "drives voluntary money the most". Utility and network effect are built upon this trust. Scarcity is a must, but it's not that big of a deal in a sense that, like gold, even if new supply could continue flowing in for millennia, for as long as it has a high stock-to-flow ratio, and not as abundant as the sand in the sea, it's a non-issue.


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September 27, 2026, 09:55:23 AM
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If we’re talking about a deflationary model, and that’s exactly what Bitcoin’s model will be, we also need to be aware of the problems that can arise in such a model.
The classic problem is the deflationary spiral, which, in simple terms, looks like this:
A consumer postpones a purchase, knowing that their savings will have twice the purchasing power a year from now. The logical conclusion is: I won’t buy a car today, for example, but I’ll buy it in a year for half the price. Manufacturers face the problem of unsold inventory and… cut back on production. The result: a decrease in company revenue = lower taxes = fewer jobs = …
It’s easy to imagine where this will lead…

Furthermore, under a deflationary model, lending is effectively wiped out because the cost of loans becomes illogical for raising funds to develop a business - and this is what many businesses do. Not only do you have to pay interest on the loan, but you also have to repay the principal, which will constantly increase in value due to the deflationary model.

These are just the problems on the surface...


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September 27, 2026, 03:15:41 PM
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In my opinion, one of the most interesting economic questions about Bitcoin is the following: what drives voluntary money the most: scarcity, utility, network effects or trust?

The concept of trust can generally only be applied to government‑issued money. Bitcoin does not require trust, as the system’s operation is ensured by cryptography.

Bitcoin doesn't ask for you to trust it. And that's precisely why it's worth the voluntary trust, right?

Anyway, I think it's this kind of trust that "drives voluntary money the most". Utility and network effect are built upon this trust. Scarcity is a must, but it's not that big of a deal in a sense that, like gold, even if new supply could continue flowing in for millennia, for as long as it has a high stock-to-flow ratio, and not as abundant as the sand in the sea, it's a non-issue.

This is an important observation. You pointed out another aspect of trust. Along with voluntary trust, I would call it something akin to sympathy or benevolence. If we trust government money as much as we trust the government (in general), then in the case of Bitcoin, no such trust is required at all, since Bitcoin is inherently reliable. This is where what you identified as voluntary trust comes from. You’re right that this is the incentive for investment and the driving force behind the network effect.
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By the way. There’s an interesting question here. Bitcoin’s volatility exists because of its "infection" by the market structure, or, more precisely, because of its emergence and development within a market economy. Where Bitcoin is forced to behave like a commodity and follow the course of a market economy. But how would Bitcoin behave as a means of payment in an economy without inflation and without loan interest? That is, simply as a measure of value?

I believe it wouldn’t be as deflationary as it is now (its deflation is, as it were, "amplified" by the surrounding inflation). It would be a fixed measure of value, and its deflation would be merely a measure of excess production in the economy. In such an economy, Bitcoin would no longer be a commodity and would not be subject to volatility. It would be characterized only by a gradual increase in purchasing power.

The point of this reasoning is this: Bitcoin is an alien element for a market economy. Bitcoin emerged within this economy, but it can fully realize its potential (and purpose) only in the economy of the future (perhaps neo‑feudalism or some other unknown formation). That’s why we see, for example, volatility now.

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September 28, 2026, 07:08:16 AM
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If we’re talking about a deflationary model, and that’s exactly what Bitcoin’s model will be, we also need to be aware of the problems that can arise in such a model.
The classic problem is the deflationary spiral, which, in simple terms, looks like this:
A consumer postpones a purchase, knowing that their savings will have twice the purchasing power a year from now. The logical conclusion is: I won’t buy a car today, for example, but I’ll buy it in a year for half the price. Manufacturers face the problem of unsold inventory and… cut back on production. The result: a decrease in company revenue = lower taxes = fewer jobs = …
It’s easy to imagine where this will lead…

Furthermore, under a deflationary model, lending is effectively wiped out because the cost of loans becomes illogical for raising funds to develop a business - and this is what many businesses do. Not only do you have to pay interest on the loan, but you also have to repay the principal, which will constantly increase in value due to the deflationary model.

These are just the problems on the surface...

From another viewpoint:

1. Consumerism will be greatly reduced. Conspicuous consumption is minimized. Impulsive buying will become more and more silly. In other words, reason will once again rule our purchases. There might be postponement, but gradually increasing prices of goods and service doesn't necessarily stop people from buying. People would still buy phones and cars and houses, but this will largely be driven by necessity.

2. Lending, too, will be largely driven by necessity. It won't stop, though. If we could use it as an example, there are Bitcoin-denominated loans offered here on the forum. People still borrow despite fully knowing that the same amount of Sats they borrow today could be much more expensive when they repay it in the near future. Also, saving would play a major role in future projects and plans.


This is an important observation. You pointed out another aspect of trust. Along with voluntary trust, I would call it something akin to sympathy or benevolence. If we trust government money as much as we trust the government (in general), then in the case of Bitcoin, no such trust is required at all, since Bitcoin is inherently reliable. This is where what you identified as voluntary trust comes from. You’re right that this is the incentive for investment and the driving force behind the network effect.

As a matter of fact, we don't even trust government money. But we have no choice because it's forced upon us. It's the law that commands us to use it. We're using money that we don't trust at all. Whether we like it or not, we have to use it.

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By the way. There’s an interesting question here. Bitcoin’s volatility exists because of its "infection" by the market structure, or, more precisely, because of its emergence and development within a market economy. Where Bitcoin is forced to behave like a commodity and follow the course of a market economy. But how would Bitcoin behave as a means of payment in an economy without inflation and without loan interest? That is, simply as a measure of value?

I believe it wouldn’t be as deflationary as it is now (its deflation is, as it were, "amplified" by the surrounding inflation). It would be a fixed measure of value, and its deflation would be merely a measure of excess production in the economy. In such an economy, Bitcoin would no longer be a commodity and would not be subject to volatility. It would be characterized only by a gradual increase in purchasing power.

The point of this reasoning is this: Bitcoin is an alien element for a market economy. Bitcoin emerged within this economy, but it can fully realize its potential (and purpose) only in the economy of the future (perhaps neo‑feudalism or some other unknown formation). That’s why we see, for example, volatility now.

It's like new wine into old wineskins. It seems Bitcoin is a technology that doesn't fit the current system. The Bitcoin standard could hardly work in a society still embracing the fiat standard. It might need an entire overhaul, a paradigm shift of sorts. Only then could Bitcoin function properly. It's by then when the 1BTC=1BTC argument would make sense. Nobody would measure today any item or service in Bitcoin without reference to fiat.


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September 28, 2026, 09:15:20 AM
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This is an important observation. You pointed out another aspect of trust. Along with voluntary trust, I would call it something akin to sympathy or benevolence. If we trust government money as much as we trust the government (in general), then in the case of Bitcoin, no such trust is required at all, since Bitcoin is inherently reliable. This is where what you identified as voluntary trust comes from. You’re right that this is the incentive for investment and the driving force behind the network effect.

As a matter of fact, we don't even trust government money. But we have no choice because it's forced upon us. It's the law that commands us to use it. We're using money that we don't trust at all. Whether we like it or not, we have to use it.

Yes, it is. Therefore, in some countries, people have so little faith in their national currency that they prefer to keep their savings in dollars. Although the dollar is not perfect either, people choose, as they say, the lesser of two evils.

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September 28, 2026, 11:31:35 AM
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In my opinion, one of the most interesting economic questions about Bitcoin is the following: what drives voluntary money the most: scarcity, utility, network effects or trust?
I agree that it is an interesting question and i am going to answer it based on my own personal experience. I started off with bitcoin because i wanted to make money from it, i read that it is a scarce asset, capped at 21 million coins and due to its limited supply + high demand, the price rises and i can make money on my investment.

While all of that remains true, i got to learn that bitcoin is more than that and it actually has utility/use cases, it can be spent as a currency and even better when it is a cross-border trade, it is decentralized and censorship resistant and cannot be shut down by any entity. All of these made by believe very strong in the bitcoin network and that's why i've been a bitcoiner ever since. So all of these drives adoption, but in no particular order.


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