Slap on the wrist penalties against teams who cheated

[Hispo]

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Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

In the case of my country, I am sure there must be some cases of minor leagues when engage in match fixing, but it seem people and authorities do not care about it.
Though, if there is a big enough scandal then those responsible would be banned from ever partaking in football in this country, punishments here are severe enough when comes to big scandals.

That case you explained is quite worrying, specially from a country which is supposed to be within the first world.

[hedgeh0g]

Issues related to match fixing is what make most the gamblers not to always admit for playing small leagues is because of the issues related to match fixing, but I still don't want to believe all this because some of those allegations does not even have claims to prove the truly happen in real life, it is better we just gamble for fun and erase our mind of all these.

It’s no longer a matter of small leagues being the ones affected by match rigging; any league or club can pull that up if their head is corrupt, and these Greek team allegations don’t appear to be baseless without proof, if there was no proof there no time, they will slam the team with two-point deductions as penalties. It's funny how they can treat such a serious matter with little punishment. This will push people away from trusting some Greek clubs.

It seems that match-fixing has existed for as long as sports themselves, driven by the universal desire for profit especially in today’s capitalist era, where almost everyone, regardless of their profession, constantly seeks to make more money. Some aim to provide a life of luxury for their families a level of opulence that isn't truly necessary while others simply want to buy a car or other expensive items. The specific motive matters less than the fact that the individual consciously engages in fraud however, the situation is not always straightforward, as these schemes may be orchestrated by criminal syndicates involving powerful, ruthless figures whom it is difficult to refuse.

[qwertyup23]

A couple of seasons ago a Swedish footballer in Greece accused the team of a rich mogul that they were fixing matches, even citing specific examples about the play out games on the country's top league.

The issue took two years for the league's ethics committee to deliver a verdict and the verdict was just... A deduction of two points for the current season which has already started.
 
Which is so crazy to me. How can a team be proven to fix a match and get away with anything other than severe sanctions? That owner should be barred from owning a team in the top league for at least a handful of years in my opinion. But when football becomes all about the money match fixing can be the norm I guess.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where the rich has control over at least everything in the world. It also baffles me that even with the proper investigation and verdict, the penalty imposed was only a deduction of points.

Also, that Swedish footballer would be the one who will experience the shorter end of the stick. Even if he took the initiative of reporting it, it will only backfire on his career to the point that it is just work-suicide at this point.

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

In the Philippines, there was a famous game of basketball in some leagues that it was proven to be fixed. Well the good thing is, the National Sports Commission gave a perpetual ban on all kinds of participation on the players and teams involved.

[Jerrycrypto2024]

Issues related to match fixing is what make most the gamblers not to always admit for playing small leagues is because of the issues related to match fixing, but I still don't want to believe all this because some of those allegations does not even have claims to prove the truly happen in real life, it is better we just gamble for fun and erase our mind of all these.

Well Said I never forget in hurry about this issue overtime many emphasize match fixing, as some claimed the referee is bribe, some claimed is through the coach or team management, my doubt is how possible this could happen is it that the team naturally admit failure, or losses without even playing a match, in order way round I still consider what gambler is all about is about wining which is the gain that such scenario could happen where team or management have seen the offer to loss as gain and admit to take such position and gibe all possible measure to opponent will win against them. But this facts remain that many happening of this match fixing occurred most with smaller team against bigger team because bigger team to each other may not give room for such because themselves as they are pressuring to win to impressed their fans.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Some Greek teams might be actually good in terms of international play after having millions pumped to enrich their roster recently but that doesn't mean that the local league's should be considered fair. I sure as hell wouldn't trust my own country's league with much in betting money if they aren't caring enough to squash match fixing.

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

Match fixing should be taken seriously, but in some cases, exceptions are made for clubs owned by influential people. This case of fixing is still obtainable in my country, it was all over the news earlier this year that a player was killed after a football match in the northern part of the country after equalizing in a match fixed to be a win, the story was nipped in the bud and all news outlet that reported it were forced to take it down. I'm surprised I searched for it now and couldn't find it again, it is obvious it was a case with an influential person. I don't bet on my country league, it's heavily underfunded and illegal practices are much obtainable in it, so we don't always bet on them, at least I don't

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

If it's proven and verified that a team is involved in march fixing, they should be permanently terminated from partaking in any game event, if they are not permanently terminated, they will still do the same thing later in the future and they will even do worse than they did before, so the best punishment is to remove them completely and even let them serve some time in the prison because they have cheated a lot of people by fixing match. But I get it, the reason why they are so lenient with this team is probably because the owner is rich. This kind of judgement will influence others to do same, knowing that they won't be terminated because they do all of those fixing to make money.

[qurbanshah02]

Some Greek teams might be actually good in terms of international play after having millions pumped to enrich their roster recently but that doesn't mean that the local league's should be considered fair. I sure as hell wouldn't trust my own country's league with much in betting money if they aren't caring enough to squash match fixing.

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

Match fixing should be taken seriously, but in some cases, exceptions are made for clubs owned by influential people. This case of fixing is still obtainable in my country, it was all over the news earlier this year that a player was killed after a football match in the northern part of the country after equalizing in a match fixed to be a win, the story was nipped in the bud and all news outlet that reported it were forced to take it down. I'm surprised I searched for it now and couldn't find it again, it is obvious it was a case with an influential person. I don't bet on my country league, it's heavily underfunded and illegal practices are much obtainable in it, so we don't always bet on them, at least I don't

Whenever a sport is played at a good level and when it becomes famous, fixing starts to make it successful and the same has started in football now. There are other such sports before this, in fact, all our countries are doing this together for their own benefit. They do not want the players they have who are quite capable, their talent to be seen in the world and they win on a large scale, due to which they fix matches for some money. Obviously, when such matters happen, there is pressure from the government to end such news so that no one makes it a problem at a big level again. In our country, a player who took bribes in cricket has been removed from international cricket and now he is not seen at all, so it means that when we are against the government or the team, something is wrong with them.

[Lucius]

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Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

In the Balkans, anything is possible, including paying referees to referee your game fairly. This happened in the first Croatian league in a case that completely shook the football public, considering that everything was secretly recorded. Today, in lower leagues, it is quite normal for referees to receive or even ask for money before a game to referee for a certain team.

This is what it looks like roughly: https://lovrenikolac.substack.com/p/how-croatian-football-entered-the

[Alex077]

If it's proven and verified that a team is involved in march fixing, they should be permanently terminated from partaking in any game event, if they are not permanently terminated, they will still do the same thing later in the future and they will even do worse than they did before, so the best punishment is to remove them completely and even let them serve some time in the prison because they have cheated a lot of people by fixing match...

I agree, but in my opinion, permanently banning the entire club isn’t always the right solution either. First, you need to find out who was actually involved in organizing the fixed matches - the owners, management, coaches, or individual players.

If the involvement of the owner or management is actually proven, then we can talk about long-term or even lifetime bans for the people responsible, huge fines, points deductions, or even kicking the club out of the league. And if any criminal laws were broken, then it shouldn’t be handled only by football authorities - law enforcement should get involved as well.

The worst thing is when match-fixing is proven but the punishment is so small that the financial reward from doing it can be much bigger than the possible consequences. In that case, the punishment doesn’t really scare anyone and only damages trust in the league.

[Pandu Geddon]

We commonly encounter match-fixing in games that do not receive public attention. And the news will become a topic of conversation after going viral on social media. Therefore, I very rarely place bets on leagues like that, because betting might be like random, really just hoping for luck since match statistics may not really be useful. I think the situation might only occur in certain matches where there is a team that really needs an advantage. If a team that has been proven to engage in match-fixing only receives a light punishment, we can conclude how much influence the people behind the case have on the football federation in that country.

[MArsland]

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

I'm actually also suspicious in the local league, but the problem is that the practice of bribery and score setting is difficult to eradicate, although many have reported it still doesn't make the people behind it a deterrent. Therefore the hands behind the cheating have considerable influence and play a role in the progress of the league itself. That is, they invest in the league, so when there is cheating involving a group of influencers, it becomes difficult to penetrate. This is also a strong reason for me to never again like and watch local league matches.

[Grace333]

Issues related to match fixing is what make most the gamblers not to always admit for playing small leagues is because of the issues related to match fixing, but I still don't want to believe all this because some of those allegations does not even have claims to prove the truly happen in real life, it is better we just gamble for fun and erase our mind of all these.

True, there has not been a single proof to back up the claim of these fixed matches people talk about. In most cases the people that often make this claim are those that place a bet and the game doesn't really go in the direction of what they have predicted and they probably thought that there is no way that the game would end up not being successful because of how sure or confident they are but at the end of the day they end up losing. This makes them instantly say that the game was scripted or fixed but that might not actually be the case as they think. Like you said, betting for fun takes our mind off this, having such thoughts about match fixing as a bettor can be frustrating because even if it's actually true what can you do about it?

[aioc]

When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

There's game fixing in every sport, but the penalty should not be only a point deduction; it's like encouraging teams to do it again, and people will think that they are favoring the team involved in game fixing. If they keep doing this, the public may call for the resignation of all members of the sports committee.

They are there to ensure that all games are fair and that all teams adhere to their rules, and there may be corruption in that league because they did not consider the welfare of the betting public.

[gracreavix]

When it comes to purnishement, you have to do it such in a way that the underlying desire to do that thing becomes very unattractive that no one will dear do it again. Take for instance the two points that was deducted, the gain to do the fix match far out ways the purnishement. What will stop them from doing it again, after all the committee will just remove two points. There is more room for more clubs to do this and get away with it. The purnishement is not worth backing out for more fixed matches.

[Fortify]

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove. They likely were only able to prove a small fraction of the allegations which lead to the situation you described and it might have been proportionate. Just because one player says something does not necessarily make it true and it really depends on what the investigation found, they didn't deem it serious enough to do anything more. If there was a lot of evidence then they should really have asked the police to get involved because there are different parts of fraud starting to creep into it. Even if it's one or two players in cahoots, maybe with the club owner, that doesn't mean the whole team should potentially suffer or be blamed either. I don't think there is much betting activity that takes place on the Greek top tier leagues - at least not at the scale of the Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, etc. The biggest scandal at the moment is probably the Man City investigation that has taken 10+ years to finally resolve, but we've yet to see what the actual punishment is going to be for that.

[Curious T]

I think it's a 3 and 4-point reduction for both teams and a fine, but yeah, the punishment is too lenient. I am a firm believer of the fact that the punishment for crimes should be severe enough to prevent people from committing the crime. A 3 point reduction is nothing. A fine is nothing. These are things the clubs can quickly pay and then carry on. So when it comes to match fixing, the punishment should be heavy. I didn't read the full report, but I believe there was no sufficient evidence in the case to punish them harshly, hence the soft punishment.

[KTChampions]

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Which is so crazy to me. How can a team be proven to fix a match and get away with anything other than severe sanctions? That owner should be barred from owning a team in the top league for at least a handful of years in my opinion. But when football becomes all about the money match fixing can be the norm I guess.
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I cannot say anything specific about this particular case, but I would like to state that cheating in sports should not be an issue that remains solely within the sporting world and is "resolved" through internal sporting sanctions, such as the deduction of points. Sport is big business that affects the lives of many people, if someone commits fraud, they should face criminal prosecution. I don't understand why tax fraud (simple tax evasion) involving paltry amounts is considered an incredibly serious criminal offense, while cheating in sports (which sometimes "weighs" tens of millions of dollars) is considered a local issue.

[Franctoshi]

A couple of seasons ago a Swedish footballer in Greece accused the team of a rich mogul that they were fixing matches, even citing specific examples about the play out games on the country's top league.

The issue took two years for the league's ethics committee to deliver a verdict and the verdict was just... A deduction of two points for the current season which has already started.
 
Which is so crazy to me. How can a team be proven to fix a match and get away with anything other than severe sanctions? That owner should be barred from owning a team in the top league for at least a handful of years in my opinion. But when football becomes all about the money match fixing can be the norm I guess.

Some Greek teams might be actually good in terms of international play after having millions pumped to enrich their roster recently but that doesn't mean that the local league's should be considered fair. I sure as hell wouldn't trust my own country's league with much in betting money if they aren't caring enough to squash match fixing.

Has something like this happened in your country's league?
When match fixing allegations were confirmed was there a serious punishment? A slap on the wrist? Nothing?

This is just a clear confirmation that match-fixing is real, and how the hell would they deduct only two points after finding them guilty of the act? Looks strange to me and that something might have happened behind the scenes before they deliver judgment.Also, we have this going with so many leagues, but the fact remains that people behind it are professionals in hiding it; it's a huge profit when you already know the outcome of a game, and those found guilty of the act should be banned or even get to pay a huge fine and not a mere 2-point deduction.

[Su-asa]

Issues related to match fixing is what make most the gamblers not to always admit for playing small leagues is because of the issues related to match fixing, but I still don't want to believe all this because some of those allegations does not even have claims to prove the truly happen in real life, it is better we just gamble for fun and erase our mind of all these.

I'm not really sure match fixing happens because I have no proof whatsoever but I don't think playing small leagues keeps gamblers safe from this, as a matter of fact it is easy for match fixing to done in leagues that are not really prominent because there is going to be less scrutiny. A lot of times what most gamblers take as fixed matches isn't exactly that way, the game just turned out to have a particular outcome doesn't exactly mean that it was fixed. This has been a major discussion or debate about betting for a very long time.

[Smartprofit]

In the Roman army, a legion that committed a dishonorable act (such as fleeing the battlefield) was subject to severe punishment. It was disbanded and completely erased from the history of the imperial army. The banners of such a legion were destroyed, and the serial number was never assigned to any new Roman legion. 🙋

In my opinion, this is perfectly logical. If an army unit had disgraced itself, it should have been completely destroyed.

In my opinion, this is exactly how football clubs that have disgraced themselves by match-fixing should be treated. They should be completely erased from the history of football. A deduction of two points is a paltry price for such a serious violation. What is the fault of the people who bet on this match (which turned out to be fixed), analyzed the potential of both teams, spent time on all these preparations, and ultimately lost their money?  Now this whole situation looks like this rich tycoon who owns a football team just bought cheap permission to do the same thing over and over again... Do we want fair football or match-fixing? 🧑‍💻