Men are trying

[o48o]

I just saw this on YouTube, I used AI to confirm it and it is true. See the percentage of men that died in Titanic compared to the percentage of women that died.



https://titanicsurvivors.com/survivors/titanic-survival-rate/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Approximately 80% of men die but 75% of women survived.

It is very clear that the man sacrificed for the women not to died. If everybody should stay on their own, I do not think 5% of women will survive the bad incident.

I am sorry, but it's quite absurd if you need to use a tragedy from 114 years ago to be able to make a point for "See! men are trying".

Also, if you are interested, take a look about the survival statistics by social class in titanic. But for accuracy and knowledge, i would avoid just using chatgpt statistics and prefer actually reading about it from journals and written books to get real insight. Because there are only few things more dangerous then overconfident people with superficial understanding of statistics.

[Smack That Ace]

Titanic incident is not really any matter of superiority or dependency of either men or women. Rather it shows how committed people can remain to society and morality, even in time of extreme crisis!! Men of that time made those sacrifice primarily out of sense of personal responsibility and in response to expectation of society in which they lived.

It is this mindset setting aside one’s own self interest to stand by other even when facing death, that has made Titanic memorable in history. However it is by no mean right to judge all men or women based on any single incident. Human reaction vary across different time and culture.

So actual issue here is not any battle between men and women. Rather it is about demonstrating courage, compassion, sense of responsibility and love in face of extreme danger. Regardless of who display these qualities, they are always praiseworthy.

[DanWalker]

I just saw this on YouTube, I used AI to confirm it and it is true. See the percentage of men that died in Titanic compared to the percentage of women that died.



https://titanicsurvivors.com/survivors/titanic-survival-rate/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Approximately 80% of men die but 75% of women survived.

It is very clear that the man sacrificed for the women not to died. If everybody should stay on their own, I do not think 5% of women will survive the bad incident.

I am sorry, but it's quite absurd if you need to use a tragedy from 114 years ago to be able to make a point for "See! men are trying".

Also, if you are interested, take a look about the survival statistics by social class in titanic. But for accuracy and knowledge, i would avoid just using chatgpt statistics and prefer actually reading about it from journals and written books to get real insight. Because there are only few things more dangerous then overconfident people with superficial understanding of statistics.

I'd bet OP doesn't even know that of the 2200 people on board, a whopping 1700 were men and around 500 were women and kids . Also, like you said, survival rates varied a lot by class. First-class women had a very high survival rate, while third-class women were far less likely to survive.

It's not just this thread. Honestly I'm baffled that most threads on this board are about glorifying men and painting them as some noble creatures while women get treated like dirt. Makes no sense to me.

But imo , guys who whine  all day , keep score and try to measure themselves against women are even worse than the women they are bashing, LOL.

[Royal Cap]

I don't think that just one incident of the Titanic can be used to show that men are trying. Because the Titanic incident was an exceptional case. As far as I know Captain Edward Smith ordered that women and children be taken to the lifeboats first. That's why men might have sacrificed. But if there were no rules, men would have tried to survive first,  I did some research myself and found that there was a research on 18 other shipwrecks. So it was found that in those 18 shipwrecks, the survival rate of men was almost double. So the Titanic is actually an exceptional case. I don't think that everything should be measured by this.

[Iranus]

The sacrifice men go through on the daily basis just to keep up with their family, paying bills, making sure there is no lack in the family, I won't be surprised if only 20% of men survived in Titanic, even in the movie you could see that Jack had to sacrifice for Rose. The story of Titanic it just one out of many life lessons that men go through. the one World trade center in America which is one of the tallest building in the world, took Men eleven years to finish it, 95% of the workers that built that building were all Men, looking at the height of that building and the risks involved, it shows that without Men in this world, a lot of thnigs will not be accomplished.

Nobody  denies how important men are to this world. But it is biased to keep talking about what men go through while ignoring the contributions and sacrifices of women.

Men working hard, taking on dangerous jobs  doesn't mean they're the only ones making sacrifices. Women contribute to their families and society in different way too.

Ever heard the saying that giving birth is fine line between life and death? Can men give birth instead of women? How many men are willing to put their own time and careers aside to take care of their kid and family? These sacrifices just don't get talked about as much because they are not as flashy as building skyscraper or taking on dangerous job.

Fair is fair , both  men and women have  their own struggles  and contributions.

[Unknown Op]

One of a man role in a relationship is to protect their partner from any form of danger because they're weak and cannot fight for themselves neither, can they think straight in a situation like what played out in Titanic. Men sees themselves as the strongest and prefer children and women to be safe first before they think of their own safety. Some people onboard that ship are with their families or partner and no man will want to save himself first instead, of his partner.

Don't think that women are naturally weak that they cannot protect themselves or that they cannot think clearly and immediately in any situation when certain thing happen. Similarly, if someone is man that does not mean that he is brave and being woman does not mean that she is helpless. The incident of Titanic survival basically depends on different situations like access to lifeboat, physical ability and also the decisions that people were trying to make under the pressure it is not based on gender. Protecting your partner is good but that does not mean that meaning of a man's life is less compared to a woman's life. Men also have families, friends, children and people around them who love them. No one expects man to sacrifice his life just because society considers him strong. When dangerous situation comes, both partner should try to protect each other, rather than just thinking that man should take risks only.

[Hispo]

This kind of sacrifice of men is probably the reason why women got the vote.

Actually, women fought for their right to be able to vote in the same manner men were able to do it back in the day.

I am not sure it would be proper to call it a sacrifice. Since it would imply women are able to vote in detriment of men.

Do you think today's society would be better if women were never able to vote? Because that is some argument I see so now and then on the internet, specially on Twitter and Instagram.
It is something I would expect from the far right of the political spectrum.

[free-bit.co.in]

One of a man role in a relationship is to protect their partner from any form of danger because they're weak and cannot fight for themselves neither, can they think straight in a situation like what played out in Titanic. Men sees themselves as the strongest and prefer children and women to be safe first before they think of their own safety. Some people onboard that ship are with their families or partner and no man will want to save himself first instead, of his partner.

Don't think that women are naturally weak that they cannot protect themselves or that they cannot think clearly and immediately in any situation when certain thing happen.

Women  may be physically weaker than men. But it's mistake to assume that they are also mentally weaker, unable to think clearly or make their own decision in dangerous situation.

How someone  judges a situation and keeps their cool and reacts in a crisis depends on the individual, not simply their gender . Do not confuse physical strength with the  ability to handle danger,  and don't assume women always need a man to make decisions for them or  keep them safe.

[Odusko]

This kind of sacrifice of men is probably the reason why women got the vote.

Actually, women fought for their right to be able to vote in the same manner men were able to do it back in the day.

I am not sure it would be proper to call it a sacrifice. Since it would imply women are able to vote in detriment of men.

Do you think today's society would be better if women were never able to vote? Because that is some argument I see so now and then on the internet, specially on Twitter and Instagram.
It is something I would expect from the far right of the political spectrum.

Where we give women equal rights is when women are allowed to become president of the United States, this is going to mark as the beginning to modern civilization and democracy, but the bigger problem will be if women can actually withstand the pressure that comes with political offices activities and still manage their domestic affairs which is something that is in born with women.

Women have shown to be better Managers and so far a lot of them are already in the upper and lower chambers, of the political cadar, but to be elected president which be the first woman president is what can prove the woman capacity in nation building.

[Hewlet]

It is very clear that the man sacrificed for the women not to died. If everybody should stay on their own, I do not think 5% of women will survive the bad incident.

The way the world is structured is in such a way that the men cares more for the women and are always ready to give themselves for others while the women in their usual manner of being looked at as the weaker vessel receives the petting and survives while the men dies. if you look at the death rate on a normal bases, between the men and the women, who dies more? it is obviously the men because they are the risk takers that bears most of the brunt and loads while the women sits under their watch.

That is why every man should as a matter of necessity look out for himself because chances are high that no onw is going to look out for you. The society have succeeded in building a kind of stereotype around men to believe that they have to be responsible for every other person apart from themselves and that is why if a family gets involved in water accident, the man will risk his life in attempt to save every other person but himself.

[Achalugo BTC]

Women  may be physically weaker than men. But it's mistake to assume that they are also mentally weaker, unable to think clearly or make their own decision in dangerous situation.

How someone  judges a situation and keeps their cool and reacts in a crisis depends on the individual, not simply their gender . Do not confuse physical strength with the  ability to handle danger,  and don't assume women always need a man to make decisions for them or  keep them safe.

I completely agree with you. Truly, women are the weaker vessel but in some cases, they can be stronger than some men, especially when faced with danger. So it depends on the individuals, because each individuals has their own strengths and abilities, regardless of whether they are men or women. That is why women can think for themselves, make decision, and take care of or protect themselves without depending on men, especially when they are unmarried.

[Soldroplet]

During the Titanic disaster, many men tried to evacuate women and children to safety first, despite having the opportunity to save their own lives. I think their sacrifice is certainly worthy of respect.

However, it would not be right to say just by looking at the death rate that even 5 percent of women would not have survived if men had tried to save themselves. Because there were not enough boats to save all the people on the Titanic. And even the boats that were there did not have the opportunity to get on. Again, many did not realize at first that the ship was in such great danger.

Therefore, in addition to the sacrifices of the men, we should also remember the mistakes of the rescue work. Because with a little better management, it might have been possible to save many more people's lives.

[Source: British Inquiry Report on the Titanic Disaster]

[MusaPk]

Nobody  denies how important men are to this world. But it is biased to keep talking about what men go through while ignoring the contributions and sacrifices of women.

Men working hard, taking on dangerous jobs  doesn't mean they're the only ones making sacrifices. Women contribute to their families and society in different way too.

Ever heard the saying that giving birth is fine line between life and death? Can men give birth instead of women? How many men are willing to put their own time and careers aside to take care of their kid and family? These sacrifices just don't get talked about as much because they are not as flashy as building skyscraper or taking on dangerous job.

Fair is fair , both  men and women have  their own struggles  and contributions.

Men and women are like two wheels of a car, both have their roles and responsibilities in life for smooth running of a system. Men indeed are considered as more powerful and strong in terms of decision-making, will power and physical strength but women are also very strong as they go through a lot in life like child birth as you have mentioned.

The case with titanic is an exception and this is really common reaction to help women and children first in case of emergency or accidents but that doesn't mean men can't be saved or they put their lives at risks all the times. This debate is really long as both sides are important in their own ways and challenges in life are also same for both of them.

[BTC FutureKing]

Women  may be physically weaker than men. But it's mistake to assume that they are also mentally weaker, unable to think clearly or make their own decision in dangerous situation.

How someone  judges a situation and keeps their cool and reacts in a crisis depends on the individual, not simply their gender . Do not confuse physical strength with the  ability to handle danger,  and don't assume women always need a man to make decisions for them or  keep them safe.

I completely agree with you. Truly, women are the weaker vessel but in some cases, they can be stronger than some men, especially when faced with danger. So it depends on the individuals, because each individuals has their own strengths and abilities, regardless of whether they are men or women. That is why women can think for themselves, make decision, and take care of or protect themselves without depending on men, especially when they are unmarried.

In the era of ignorance it used to be that a woman was nothing without a man and women also thought that she was weak without a man and society had made her weaker and weaker.But in today era a woman is independent married or not she can take responsibility for herself.Now women are also independent.It is exactly like this.A woman works alongside a man and strengthens herself.It is not that she does not care about the Sharia but rather she does something for herself while observing the Sharia so that society can also be proud of her and other women also have the courage to move forward and not be bound by the chains of any restrictions.

[Noorooo]

I don't think that just one incident of the Titanic can be used to show that men are trying. Because the Titanic incident was an exceptional case. As far as I know Captain Edward Smith ordered that women and children be taken to the lifeboats first. That's why men might have sacrificed. But if there were no rules, men would have tried to survive first,  I did some research myself and found that there was a research on 18 other shipwrecks. So it was found that in those 18 shipwrecks, the survival rate of men was almost double. So the Titanic is actually an exceptional case. I don't think that everything should be measured by this.

I agree that the titanic was an exceptional case ,but i think it still shows the courage of men sacrificing thereselves for others.The fact that other shipwrecks had different survival rates doesn't change what happen in titanic.Im not saying that every men will make a sacrifice but in situation like these most men sacrifice there lifes to save others.

[Dreadboost]

I'm in support of what Royal Cap said. We should not be using an incident that happened in the past to judge the way things are in this present world. Gone are those days when men would die for love.

This generation of men is taking care of their responsibilities with the mindset that they will take good care of their health too. Men are wiser now, even if a few of them still suffer just to die early.

[BADecker]

Women would be worse if they had control. Maybe they do... if you look at all the troubles of the world these days.

[Oshosondy]

I'm in support of what Royal Cap said. We should not be using an incident that happened in the past to judge the way things are in this present world. Gone are those days when men would die for love.

I think if what happened to Titanic happen in this present day and the same number of men and women are also in the present day ship, I will not be surprised if similar percentage of men and women die. If it happen, you will see how the women will be doing as if they should be cared for and showing the fear in them.

This generation of men is taking care of their responsibilities with the mindset that they will take good care of their health too. Men are wiser now, even if a few of them still suffer just to die early.

Men in those days also care for themselves.

[Achalugo BTC]

In the era of ignorance it used to be that a woman was nothing without a man and women also thought that she was weak without a man and society had made her weaker and weaker.But in today era a woman is independent married or not she can take responsibility for herself.Now women are also independent.It is exactly like this.A woman works alongside a man and strengthens herself.It is not that she does not care about the Sharia but rather she does something for herself while observing the Sharia so that society can also be proud of her and other women also have the courage to move forward and not be bound by the chains of any restrictions.

Exactly, when people see a woman who does things for herself, it motivates other women. And that's how it should be, because some women think they can't do or take care of themselves without help from a man, and this mindset has really kept them in bondage. That doesn't mean women have to be disrespectful to men simply because they are taking responsibility just like men do, as some women allow pride to control them when they've gotten what they want. This habit corrupts other women as well, which can affect their lives. At the same time, women have to learn how to be independent.

[Texac]

I'm in support of what Royal Cap said. We should not be using an incident that happened in the past to judge the way things are in this present world. Gone are those days when men would die for love.

I think if what happened to Titanic happen in this present day and the same number of men and women are also in the present day ship, I will not be surprised if similar percentage of men and women die. If it happen, you will see how the women will be doing as if they should be cared for and showing the fear in them.

Royal Cap already made it clear that Captain Edward Smith ordered women and children to be given priority, which could explain why more men ended up sacrificing their lives.

He also brought up evidence from 18 other shipwrecks showing that the male survival rate was nearly twice that of women.

Both men and women have a survival instinct. When you are facing death, without any rules forcing people to put other first. There is no telling who's really more noble than whom.