Can a Casino Insider Steal Your Winnings Without Hacking Your Account?

[Futurexxx]

Another one, but which I do not know if it is happening, but which has happened in banks before is someone having money on his account. If the money is not spent for years, it is possible insiders might want to withdraw it.

 This is one bad experience I have had in the past with access bank, and up until today, I cannot leave a large amount of money in the bank for long because I no longer trust them that much.

 In my own case, they were doing it systematically and successfully removed like 20% of the entire money that was there, but after all the problem I gave them in the bank when I did not see some of my money, the manager promised to get to the root cause of it, but I later withdrew everything there and walk away, because I wasn't ready for the stress of going to the bank everyday, since I was too busy with my business then, but I doubt if something like that can take place in a gambling casino because the online casino is more transparent than the bank that you can't have access to everything.

[5W-KILO]

We focus more on hackers, phishing attacks and stolen passwords but we don’t think about casinos employees who try’s to steal and manipulate our win.

Some of the issues we have with casinos are not caused by the casino system that is put in place but because of the employees who are desperate and greedy.
Some of these casinos employees try to steal our win and if you don’t have enough evidence your money is gone, this is how some people lose their money and that’s why you need to gather evidence and keep when using a casino so you won’t be scammed by the casino’s employees.

I will like to ask all of you, do you believe online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access?

Many people have had similar experience with sports bet outlets, it's very common that you can walk into a betting shop and the employees will try to rip you off, since they are the ones that you will hand over your win ticket to and they are the one to process the withdrawal too.

As for online casinos I have never seen anything similar but it's very possible, and it's not happening on casinos only but also other businesses too, it can happen on centralised exchanges and also custodial wallet companies too.

Internal attacks is something that many businesses don't look into, like they trusted their team or employees more than anything but at the same time this is the easiest method to get the job done..

[Patrol69]

This is definitely a big concern for gamblers, we always worry about hackers from outside but this kind of fraud can also happen by some dishonest people inside a casino. If it is hacked from outside, the cyber security inside the casino may protect it but if dishonest people inside the casino cheat customers like this, then how will the customers actually deal with it is a big question. Since there is a possibility of such unexpected events happening, I think users should keep some proof of their things. They can keep a screenshot of the winnings, they can keep a screenshot of the deposits, in this way if users can keep the proof then they can report them later so that they do not have to be cheated by dishonest people inside the casino.

[TedMosby]

We focus more on hackers, phishing attacks and stolen passwords but we don’t think about casinos employees who try’s to steal and manipulate our win.
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It reminds me of 2 things:

1. The type of scam on Telegram DMs where someone claims to be a casino employee and offers to cooperate with you to exploit the casino where he works. These people usually try to prove that they can make players win or lose by asking you to register and then making your username win. Once you feel you can trust him, you deposit a bigger amount, and that's when you get scammed.

2. This podcast https://youtu.be/7k61OUwezZY?si=M_7Gn4uL8lE78jdX&t=3886. It's in Bahasa Indonesia, but you can use the subtitles/captions feature if you want to watch it. The point is that in the video, a guy who claims to be an ex casino site creator demonstrates how he can decide which players win or lose. He has a control panel to set it up. So, yeah, a casino employee can manipulate your wins if they have access to the control panel.

[Abdul Sami786]

I have not seen any such news or heard from anyone so far that I can say that this is possible. But it is possible because there was a casino here that paid these people to run the campaign and stopped their money from reaching them. There are many such accidents but I don't think that such a thing can be done without hacking. Because any employee will either have to control the game himself to get his winnings or will have to hack and take the winnings of a gambler. I think no employee will do this if he has to do it, he will have to have full control for some time so that no one can question him and he can run away with the money.

[Jubilee58]

There are situations when gamblers are being denied of their wins, and I have read several news of that kind here. If a casino site can deny players of their profit, which means they can equally steel your fund from you. However, such act will only discredit such casino platforms and can face legal action if reported. It is a very high risk for a casino site to steel players fund, because they will end up paying the owner of that fund, and also face regulatory penalties, but is even more understandable, and favourable to a casino site or company if a player is being banned for a reason than steeling of fund because is really a total damage of reputation on the casino, and can lead to total ban from operation, especially when their is a clear evidence of such crime.

[Localhostspeed]

I have not seen any such news or heard from anyone so far that I can say that this is possible. But it is possible because there was a casino here that paid these people to run the campaign and stopped their money from reaching them. There are many such accidents but I don't think that such a thing can be done without hacking. Because any employee will either have to control the game himself to get his winnings or will have to hack and take the winnings of a gambler. I think no employee will do this if he has to do it, he will have to have full control for some time so that no one can question him and he can run away with the money.

I'm trying to look at possibilities how they can do this kind of scam within the casino. First of all, there is evidence of deposit, there is evidence of bet which is in the betting history, why would an employee have power that much to want to do this kind of thing. The close similar case I have seen when was a casino cancel a gambler bet claiming he cheat to win but didn't say that when he loss and they deliberately reverse his bet and was aware and told to withdraw his money.

I think it's easy for casino to run away with gamblers money than have time to be pulling this trick to take winning from gamblers. It might have happened somewhere but this kind of dirty gambling business is uncommon, they will get caught and definitely will lose customers before their eyes. Most casinos knows that it's hard for gamblers to win than for them win. If they do this engage in this kind of illicit activity, they will have no one that will use their casino again.

[Charles-Tim]

This is one bad experience I have had in the past with access bank, and up until today, I cannot leave a large amount of money in the bank for long because I no longer trust them that much.

It has happened to one of my sisters before. Just few weeks ago, it also happened to my friend, but we do not know if it is an inside work or not. He traveled out of Nigeria few years ago. Last month he saw 500000 naira withdrawn from his bank account. He has been unable to trace where the money went as the case got more complicated. I prefer to have money in bitcoin on noncustodial wallets than to have money in banks. There are several cases like this.

[BitBakerr1]

I will like to ask all of you, do you believe online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access?

I don’t believe, I know for sure that  online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access, sometimes we forget that casino is a business and they are own by people and this people that own this casinos do everything possible so that those working for them won’t exploit them or scam the casino customers.
It is not all employee that has access to customers account and those that has access to it has limited access and if anything happens they know that it can only be done by a certain employee and the employee can be arrested and prosecuted so this employees are careful with what they do.

[letteredhub]

We focus more on hackers, phishing attacks and stolen passwords but we don’t think about casinos employees who try’s to steal and manipulate our win.
[...]

It reminds me of 2 things:

1. The type of scam on Telegram DMs where someone claims to be a casino employee and offers to cooperate with you to exploit the casino where he works. These people usually try to prove that they can make players win or lose by asking you to register and then making your username win. Once you feel you can trust him, you deposit a bigger amount, and that's when you get scammed.

For gamblers who tries to align with such casino employees to make them win games unfairly and later get scammed. I would say they deserve it, you can't be too greedy, desperate and dishonest at same time and not fall to scam in whatever cheap way it may be offered.

2. This podcast https://youtu.be/7k61OUwezZY?si=M_7Gn4uL8lE78jdX&t=3886. It's in Bahasa Indonesia, but you can use the subtitles/captions feature if you want to watch it. The point is that in the video, a guy who claims to be an ex casino site creator demonstrates how he can decide which players win or lose. He has a control panel to set it up. So, yeah, a casino employee can manipulate your wins if they have access to the control panel.

Around February I created a topic on the handling of employee fraud, it's actually something that destroys an organisation when internal workers began acting unethically and chasing an opposing interest from that of the organisation vision and mission, then the organisation would have to suffer for it till it eventually collapses if proactive measures ain't effected to monitor, control and audit...

[L E G E N D A R Y]

We as players, all we need to do is to protect ourselves. Do well to screenshot your win,save bet ID and save withdrawal abd deposite history and also chat with support. If in anyway they try to avoid your win that tge evidence that going to save you.

An insider can steal but it will be hard the person to hide it, if casino have a proper internal control  and player get evidence.

Maybe keeping adequate records of your deposit and withdrawal payment IDs and details, Yes; but merely screenshotting your wins means little to nothing since such records may not really hold enough information or data to be tendered as evidence in time of dispute.

No one is hoping or expecting a dispute such as this from a casino, but we need to equip ourselves, and be ready for anything, especially since the people behind the counter are also humans and can make mistakes, sometimes these mistakes could be unintentional, that’s why we should always expect and prepare for the worst possible scenario.

[ZeroVinsonN]

This seems like one of the first things that a casino would make sure couldn’t happen before hiring employees. It isn’t like everyone has access to customer funds. Those that do are certainly required to use logins that would track anything they do. One person complains and they’re out of a job. Doesn’t seem like something that would realistically happen at a legitimate company.

I'm wondering how they will even be able to do it, will the winning not be visible to the player? Or will it be visible but not withdrawable? Either way it will be obvious to the casino's management that someone is messing with a users funds and they wouldn't want that since it could lead to the entire casino being tagged as scammers.
If it happened though it would still qualify as hack because someone did tamper with the system in such a way that the winnings from players will go to them instead.

[Showlove01]

We focus more on hackers, phishing attacks and stolen passwords but we don’t think about casinos employees who try’s to steal and manipulate our win.

Some of the issues we have with casinos are not caused by the casino system that is put in place but because of the employees who are desperate and greedy.
Some of these casinos employees try to steal our win and if you don’t have enough evidence your money is gone, this is how some people lose their money and that’s why you need to gather evidence and keep when using a casino so you won’t be scammed by the casino’s employees.

I will like to ask all of you, do you believe online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access?

I believe before a casino will employ a worker they must have run a background check about the person's identity as they can not employ a random person to come work for them because their reputation will be at stake. Though, even with the background check, they may not be able to find out everything but if they notice anything unusual they will sack the employee. However, i do not know how they can be able to manipulate someone's win but if a gambler has his or her ticket, there is no way they can manipulate it because your ticket is your evidence unless you misplaced it.

[Haunebu]

Of course they can. This logic applies to literally any sort of business out there where the insiders hold a lot of power thanks to which they can screw over customers in different ways depending on how much power they hold at any point of time.

Casinos usually avoid stuff like this by smartly selecting their employees or making sure that customers get refunded appropriately in such situations. Insiders stealing your winnings is pretty rare overall when compared to hackers stealing them from the outside.

[Pikiboy]

How do you think of them stealing your winnings know too well that everything displays on the interface couples with you having your records on the history page.
This you said can only be possible when you do not trust the casino or when you have never used the gambling site and there is lack of trust on the site. However, for a trustworthy sites you do not need to fear that much except for a casino game or rigging but for a sports game there is no way that they can do such manipulation because you would definitely get the scores from other site to know if you were cheated or not

[Saltysugar99]

To run any company you definitely need employees and you have to trust them. Because one person cannot run a company alone. Especially it is not possible to run a gambling site alone. There are many type of companies where people have to keep accounts make transactions, and manage expenses. They can steal from there if they want, cheat and leave the company with a lot of money. In that case, the company has to bear the responsibility. And the person who does such a thing also takes action against him. Because before giving a job to that person the company must verify all his information and give him chance . Now this also happens in the case of gambling companies. But the problem is that by abusing the rules and regulations of the gambling site, many times they artificially create problems for many users to withdraw funds. Where many times users cannot withdraw their funds. If such incidents are very rare in reputed casino sites. Because there, employees have to work with personal information. So if they do something that causes reputational problems for the casino company then the casino companies will also take action against that person. And if a casino site itself cheats then there is a good chance of losing the funds completely.

[rbynxx]

I will like to ask all of you, do you believe online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access?

That we don't know of considering we can't see what they do or rven if they say they'll be doing their best to protect its users it's not a guarantee that they are honest. I think auditing the casino internally is the best way for that but do we ever trust that? That's whyI really go with sites that prove they are reputed in the industry rather than hopping onto the next that seem to have some edge because they're new.

I believe before a casino will employ a worker they must have run a background check about the person's identity as they can not employ a random person to come work for them because their reputation will be at stake. Though, even with the background check, they may not be able to find out everything but if they notice anything unusual they will sack the employee. However, i do not know how they can be able to manipulate someone's win but if a gambler has his or her ticket, there is no way they can manipulate it because your ticket is your evidence unless you misplaced it.

Yeah even with background check or whatnot, it's not a total guarantee. They could be posing good when applying at first but before they even goes there they already got a plan to exploit something, that might be a case as well.

[fighter2627]

As far as I know, all casinos, whether online or physical gambling, are really manipulated by them. This is just my opinion, due to the other ones I see on other social media platforms that create content that is leaked by other influencers are really intentional by most casinos or almost everyone to give the opportunity to win to the average beginner in their platform games.

And this is often their trap for new users who enter their gambling platform to make them come back to their gambling website, and this is still happening to this day.

[oll]

We focus more on hackers, phishing attacks and stolen passwords but we don’t think about casinos employees who try’s to steal and manipulate our win.

Some of the issues we have with casinos are not caused by the casino system that is put in place but because of the employees who are desperate and greedy.
Some of these casinos employees try to steal our win and if you don’t have enough evidence your money is gone, this is how some people lose their money and that’s why you need to gather evidence and keep when using a casino so you won’t be scammed by the casino’s employees.

I will like to ask all of you, do you believe online casinos have enough internal security to prevent employees from abusing their access?

I think this is unlikely, because I know that the casino employees themselves are monitored and controlled by a service. It's similar to how the prosecutor's office monitors the police, and so I'm sure the casino model is already designed to be compromised by internal employees. Therefore, everything is under control.
And I very rarely hear of cases where employees of a physical or online casino collude to steal someone's funds, because online, all these transactions are perfectly visible, and the perpetrators are easy to find.

[greysonz]

How do you think of them stealing your winnings know too well that everything displays on the interface couples with you having your records on the history page.
This you said can only be possible when you do not trust the casino or when you have never used the gambling site and there is lack of trust on the site. However, for a trustworthy sites you do not need to fear that much except for a casino game or rigging but for a sports game there is no way that they can do such manipulation because you would definitely get the scores from other site to know if you were cheated or not

I believe it's unlikely any casino would risk their reputation, which they've built over years and spent huge amounts of money on promotion. For what purpose? To simply try to deceive some player?
Ultimately, it will all be very visible, because there are gamblers who record their screens when playing for big money, so they can later prove any manipulation by the casino, whether it's the math or the interface. For example, I know that very small, dishonest online casinos can pretend the screen freezes and somehow change the rules of the game, for example, in slots. But this, of course, won't apply to the large, trusted casinos listed here on our forum.