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April 09, 2014, 08:50:04 PM
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Launch date - 18 April, 10:50 GMT 17 April, 22:00 GMT

Website:

http://bitmonero.org

BMR rep is the freshest one. You may check it there: https://github.com/bitmonero-project/bitmonero

Latest update of binaries are available at www.bitmonero.org
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I'm working on another good feature now, so stay tuned.

Freenode: #bitmonero

[Logo contest - till 28 April - bounty 300 BMR]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580155



Important: this is not a Bytecoin relaunch or not a Bytecoin replacement but a Bytecoin fork. Bytecoin has its own long history, community and stakeholders we don't know much about. I respect them and their decisions even if I don't understand them now. An intention to relaunch coin is always harmfull for everybody involved. Fork is a right way to contribute to community in case you don't agree with decisions already made.

- Why did I make fork?

- Because there is a number of technical and marketing issues I wanted to do differently. And also because I like ideas and technology and I want it to succeed.

I did an announcement ASAP while a lot of details aren't still defined because the earlier it is announced the more people will be able to join. Details will appear as soon as they will be defined and decided.

Here are details that are already defined and I don't plan to change this:

1. New coin will use Bytecoin(BCN)/CryptoNote code base.

2. New coin is started from scratch (i.e. from genesis block).

3. Emission schedule has a flatter curve (close to Bitcoin's original curve).

4. Bitmonero - BMR (monero /esperanto/ = coin)
    Name. Actually there are several good candidates. I have to buy corresponding domains before announcing name Wink

5. Block target = 60 seconds

6. Penalty-free block size were increased.

CryptoNote doesn't have hard limits: all parameters are adaptive. Max block size is adaptive also. It is recalculated the same way difficulty is. In case miner creates block bigger than 1*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE the penalty is applied to block reward (i.e. block reward is decreased). In case miner creates block bigger than 2*CURRENT_MAX_BLOCK_SIZE such block will not be accepted by network.

For blocks below penalty-free block size this logic isn't applied. I.e. even in the blockchain with all blocks empty you can create a block of this size with full block reward. In reference code this penalty-free block size is 10Kb - this is good for 2-3 anonymous transactions (anonymous means mixin factor is 5 or more). It's better to have a bit more.

7. Decimal point were moved. There are less coins in total but initial block reward will be less than 100 coins. This is much easier for practical use. This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units.



Action plan

- I want to start mining and I don't want to wait a week. What can I don just now?

1. CryptoNote is very different from Bitcoin-based currencies and it has no GUI now. I recommed you to try Bytecoin (BCN) now to understand how to use it. The new currency will be very similar while starting.

2. If you are an Ubuntu user it is much better to update you mining machine to Ubuntu 13.10 because there are all required packages already in repo.

3. CryptoNote now works only on 64bit OSes. Actually I don't know the way to build it for 32bit OS. In order to participate you need 64bit OS.

- I want to help with development / design / marketing ...

Please PM me Wink

- I want to integrate new currency in my sevices (pools, block explorers, exchanges etc)

Please check API pages: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/Main_Page
API is far from being complete. Please PM me for comments or ask on CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/

- I want to give you money for this project

Here is a donation address in BCN: 27swAkuqXB2M2YNhxjP9qngei9iRdTsH6b2PX7K4ffpugpf3hqiuRUUQvKLxny2iE1hbUANgF81CXL2 v3AiB45v7SmRaPGd

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[Portuguese] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563927.0

References:

[1] CryptoNote technology page: https://cryptonote.org/inside.php
[2] CryptoNote forum: https://forum.cryptonote.org/
[3] Bytecoin (BCN) site: https://bytecoin.org/
[4] Bytecoin (BCN) wiki: https://wiki.bytecoin.org/
[5] Bytecoin (BCN) main thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747
[6] Bytecoin (BCN) mining guide: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=544715
[7] Bytecoin (BCN) white paper: https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf

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April 09, 2014, 09:03:32 PM
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Max Supply: 18.5M
Block Reward (at beginning):  17
Block Time: 60sec

Not to bad

Care to explain the reward structure a bit? Also a pool would be nice if possible!
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April 09, 2014, 09:10:12 PM
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how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))
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April 09, 2014, 09:21:26 PM
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Excellent. Can we vote on the name?  Tongue

8. Probably merged mining with Bytecoin. This needs a lot of work to be done :-/

Is there a rationale for sticking with the CryptoNite hashing algo? Some issues I pointed out before: 1) the CPU mining phase is prone to botnets 2) Someone will inevitably develop a GPU miner and it's in their interest not to release it, creating a fairness problem.  (I'd personally prefer X11, because it's CPU+GPU and draws much less power than scrypt.)

edit: I actually can't find anything on this algo. Is this even a sound hashing function with a low probability of being cracked in the future? Most of the algos that the crypto community has been using are well-established and created by professionals and researchers (like the NIST finalists).
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April 09, 2014, 09:26:52 PM
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Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?
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April 09, 2014, 09:30:04 PM
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Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?
It's supposedly anonymous thanks to the implementation of ring signatures. Significantly more robust and decentralized than CoinJoin, if it works.
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April 09, 2014, 09:32:11 PM
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Does this coin have any new, revolutionary idea? Why does one use it instead of btc/ltc?

The coin is not a revolutionary new idea, but its based on a revolutionary idea called cryptonote (https://cryptonote.org/inside.php). Also the fact that cryptonote/bytecoin was hidden deep for the last few years and was being mined by a "big" unknown community the fork would give people a fair start on this new technology.
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April 09, 2014, 09:37:01 PM
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I will be full supporting this.

Did you think about just changing the 2^64 parm to something like 2^56 and keep the Atomic Unit/Decimal in place? I dont see proper a reason on changing the decimal point?

I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with.  

In fact I say avoid changing things just to change them.

There are some (potentially) good reasons for changing the reward schedule and for rejecting the legitimacy of the dark web premine unless they want to come out of hiding and show us why their coin is worth adopting and is not just a premine.

The rest I don't really see a need to change at all. Less code and design changes, less risk of unforeseen issues and bugs. The existing code seems to be somewhat well tested.

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I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with.  

True, but if the decimal is changed to a max of two then you need to have more max supply in my opinion. Im not a prophet or full time supporter of a high coin value when there can be more coins and serve the same purpose. Also thinking about adoption, a max of 2 decimals would make more sense, but then im only talking from an adoptive standpoint for the masses. One thing i learned is Keep It Simple Stupid
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I'm not sure either is a good idea. With a BTC-like model if you end up with high coin values then people then want to switch to mBTC or uBTC because >2 digits after the decimal are hard to deal with. 

True, but if the decimal is changed to a max of two then you need to have more max supply in my opinion. Im not a prophet or supporter of a high coin value when there can be more coins and serve the same purpose.

If you don't change the atomic units you can put the decimal wherever you want. It's a totally arbitrary convention. I'm arguing that a model like BTC that starts out with small (2 digit) reward units ends up with small fractions of a unit for ordinary transactions if the coin becomes widely adopted and gains in value. This seems not to be a widely-liked attribute of BTC.

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April 10, 2014, 05:16:21 AM
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I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20
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I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20

I agree. If 2 minutes isn't fast enough for a particular transaction, neither is 1 minute. So there's no point chasing this particular metric and 2 minutes seems like a reasonable compromise.
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April 10, 2014, 04:59:33 PM
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oh ,I can translate into chinese.
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oh ,I can translate into chinese.

This would be great!

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I honestly don't see the advantage of bringing the block time down to 1 minute. You're ultimately looking at increasing orphan blocks and decreasing hash power, and all you get is a feature that looks great on paper but has little purpose. I wouldn't mess with it. Apparently the BCN devs wanted 5-10 minute block times but settled on 2 minutes after lengthy disputes. Their decision is explained in more detail here:

https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20

I agree. If 2 minutes isn't fast enough for a particular transaction, neither is 1 minute. So there's no point chasing this particular metric and 2 minutes seems like a reasonable compromise.

Block target isn't only about transaction speed.

It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.

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It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.

You raise an interesting question.

I've seen the argument that faster block times increase centralization because of orphans. But it is true that the blocks will be smaller so the correct comparison is orphans with twice the block time and double the block size (plus header) versus half the block time and half the block size (plus header). I don't think I've seen that comparison.

Also, any coin that is successful wont be feasible to solo mine eventually. The orphan effect has to dominate.
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It also influences the chance to get block in solomining: with the same total hashrate it's twice easier to find block with 60 sec block target than with 120 secs. Solo mining gives decentralization. This way faster blocks lead to more decentralized network in the beginning.

From another point of view faster block are smaller (less transactions per block). Small blocks are easier to propagate through network.

You raise an interesting question.

I've seen the argument that faster block times increase centralization because of orphans. But it is true that the blocks will be smaller so the correct comparison is orphans with twice the block time and double the block size (plus header) versus half the block time and half the block size (plus header). I don't think I've seen that comparison.

Also, any coin that is successful wont be feasible to solo mine eventually. The orphan effect has to dominate.


I agree. It's a valid point that shorter block times will increase a solo miner's chances of finding a block, but even with a cpu-only coin it's only a matter of time before pooling becomes a necessity. At that point the shorter block time yields no benefit to the miners, but you're still left with the additional orphan blocks and wasted work.
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April 13, 2014, 02:11:10 AM
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@ OP: Pls take your time to discuss your project thoroughly before you start implementing! If this fork is made in a rush, in a rush it will be forgotten.
Pls take time to think about the best ways to do what you do. Thats all I ask for.

Good luck!
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thankful for today -

I would be thankful if you stopped creating shitcoins. Thanks!
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thankful for today -

I would be thankful if you stopped creating shitcoins. Thanks!
"fudbuster" - a one day-old account going around calling everything "shitcoin".

Do you even understand what this coin is? Probably not - I'm betting you're a teenager based on the depth of these posts.
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Hey thankful, any update on this?

By the way, I agree with x0rcist that maybe you could just block time to change after a certain block height. 1 minute in the solo mining phase (~1 month) and 2-2.5 minutes afterwards.
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Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

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Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.

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Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.



To be honest I would rather the latter part of your comment to be true. I wonder how BCN would cohabitate on exchanges with BTC and the long list of forks.

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Has there been anything new about this coin? Has it been put on hold or is it still schedule for release. Also a name?

I'm starting to doubt there is really a good reason for this besides people wanting to pump and dump. The original is starting to get more and more traction in the community (beyond what may or may not exist on the darknet). It will be hard for a clone to overcome that lead.

If anything I'd propose a bitcoin spin-off clone instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563972.0

Better chance of adoption to overtake the original, maybe.


There are very good reasons for having a fork instead. With BCN we have a coin that refused to show itself for 2 years and has been 80% mined. Why would the markets accept that? Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets). But this is taking it to a whole new level. Not to mention we have a dev team that we can't interact with and a very poorly chosen dispersement speed, with 80% mined in such a short time (compare to BTC distribution which extends into decades). Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

A fresh start pre-announced start gives a known market history, a fairer and longer distribution, and active development with feedback.

That said, I'm disappointed in what this thread turned out to be. We should've had discussion on the name and the parameters and other things and yet thankful_for_today is nowhere to be seen 4 days from the supposed launch.
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There are very good reasons for having a fork instead. With BCN we have a coin that refused to show itself for 2 years and has been 80% mined. Why would the markets accept that? Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets). But this is taking it to a whole new level. Not to mention we have a dev team that we can't interact with and a very poorly chosen dispersement speed, with 80% mined in such a short time (compare to BTC distribution which extends into decades). Don't underestimate "instamining" stigma - it annihilated Quark and continues to plague DRK. A currency (exchange medium) is no good if many people don't want anything to do with it.

A fresh start pre-announced start gives a known market history, a fairer and longer distribution, and active development with feedback.

That said, I'm disappointed in what this thread turned out to be. We should've had discussion on the name and the parameters and other things and yet thankful_for_today is nowhere to be seen 4 days from the supposed launch.

Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

80% mined without a clue of the user base, for all we know it has a user base equel to bitcoin. It is bad for the people who are looking at it now, but until we know more, its hard to really say.

It wasnt instamined though? You make it seem like a fork is needed so that people who got to BCN late can feel relavent with the creation of new coin. Say the dev team was available, you now how much they would have to deal with considering how big this has grown. Not to mention it would contradict their reasoning for a more anonymous currency.

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Why would the markets accept that?

I can't answer that. I try not second guess the markets, just observe. It seems the original coin is getting more and more uptake, for whatever reason.

Clones always have an uphill battle, as I'm sure you know.

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And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...

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I don't disagree necessarily, like I said I'm just observing. If this coin turns out not to work the technology is out there and can be used for something else.
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Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

You don't seem to know what the darknet is. Please read up.
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Refused to show itself? Peopel refused to see it and were blind by the bitcoin craze, but this didnt stop it from growing.

You don't seem to know what the darknet is. Please read up.

Fully aware of what it is, but to say that is justification. It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

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It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.


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Why would the markets accept that?

I can't answer that. I try not second guess the markets, just observe. It seems the original coin is getting more and more uptake, for whatever reason.

Clones always have an uphill battle, as I'm sure you know.

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And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...

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I don't disagree necessarily, like I said I'm just observing. If this coin turns out not to work the technology is out there and can be used for something else.


I wasn't observing that poor distribution leads to a lack of success, but that it's simply bad for any exchange medium. We here in altcoin-land are only concerned with profits so we don't think about it, but presumably in the end what we want is a universally accepted currency. But what we're looking at it with BCN is probably a distribution that's horrible even by cryptocurrency standards -- and that's just scary territory.

Right now BCN is being mined as a novelty, but there are complete nonsense coins that get more attention than it in shorter timeframes. Considering how revolutionary the technology is, I think that's explained by the fact that it wasn't "properly launched" from the perspective of the community.

I've been mining BCN and I'll support it just because I firmly believe in the need for anonymity, but there would be a tinge of regret that we could've had something better.
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I wasn't observing that poor distribution leads to a lack of success, but that it's simply bad for any exchange medium. We here in altcoin-land are only concerned with profits so we don't think about it, but presumably in the end what we want is a universally accepted currency. But what we're looking at it with BCN is probably a distribution that's horrible even by cryptocurrency standards -- and that's just scary territory.

People should read the Whitepaper and not rely so much on what they see all over this forum.

Right now BCN is being mined as a novelty, but there are complete nonsense coins that get more attention than it in shorter timeframes. Considering how revolutionary the technology is, I think that's explained by the fact that it wasn't "properly launched" from the perspective of the community.

Temporary exchanges have been set up, although archaic in a sense, they have been succesful for the coin as of late.

I've been mining BCN and I'll support it just because I firmly believe in the need for anonymity, but there would be a tinge of regret that we could've had something better.

At any point in time all the calculations that we have to go on could have been off. Maybe something was missed or just not understood. So at this point in time the fact that there is 80% is in my mind and estimate that could be far less than we think.

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I like the idea so I'm going to keep an eye on this topic.

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April 16, 2014, 04:36:14 PM
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BCN looks more like a proof-of-concept than a functioning cryptocurrency. My theory is the "Creators" (math geeks, mathematicians, aliens) developed Cryptonote and needed a way to test. They created BCN and kept it to themselves during testing. They released the info once they knew it worked. And by release, I mean put up a few websites and left CN & BCN there.

I have been following BCN but not mining. The origins and beginning years are unknown. The "Creators" and participants are unknown. I will let them keep their coin.

If a developer comes along and wants to create a new cryptocurrency using CN, I may participate but I will not be using BCN.
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April 16, 2014, 08:57:46 PM
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BCN looks more like a proof-of-concept than a functioning cryptocurrency. My theory is the "Creators" (math geeks, mathematicians, aliens) developed Cryptonote and needed a way to test. They created BCN and kept it to themselves during testing. They released the info once they knew it worked. And by release, I mean put up a few websites and left CN & BCN there.

It has been stated that the Cryptonote team has nothing to do with BCN multiple times on their forums

I have been following BCN but not mining. The origins and beginning years are unknown. The "Creators" and participants are unknown. I will let them keep their coin.

If a developer comes along and wants to create a new cryptocurrency using CN, I may participate but I will not be using BCN.

Adaption is not far from us at this point, so there is a chance that a fork is around the corner. And not the one in this thread. So if you are not currently mining, I suggest atleast getting a few while its growing.

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April 16, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
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It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back
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April 16, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

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Looks interesting, good luck with this one.
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April 16, 2014, 10:35:27 PM
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It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back

From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.

[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
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Domain Name:BYTECOIN.ORG
Domain ID: D162497614-LROR
Creation Date: 2011-06-11T03:36:44Z
Updated Date: 2014-04-11T14:16:56Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2014-06-11T03:36:44Z
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48

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April 16, 2014, 10:47:49 PM
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It didn't try to be hidden, it was on the web all along.

I'm not sure about that. i looked in wayback and most of the sites are only a few months old. Maybe I missed something, or wayback did.

Spot on! There was no data available on the clearweb till a few months back

From the FAQ of the wayback machine

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[Querying whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
[whois.publicinterestregistry.net]
Domain Name:BYTECOIN.ORG
Domain ID: D162497614-LROR
Creation Date: 2011-06-11T03:36:44Z
Updated Date: 2014-04-11T14:16:56Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2014-06-11T03:36:44Z
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 48


When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?




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April 16, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
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When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?

The Wayback is not an end all be all to what was and has been on the internet.


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When the domain name was created doesn't tell us anything about what was actually on the site or when. Wayback offers us an independent third part verification of what was on the site a few months ago, but nothing earlier. Do you have something?

The Wayback is not an end all be all to what was and has been on the internet.


From the FAQ of the wayback machine

Why isn't the site I'm looking for in the archive?

Some sites may not be included because the automated crawlers were unaware of their existence at the time of the crawl. It's also possible that some sites were not archived because they were password protected, blocked by robots.txt, or otherwise inaccessible to our automated systems. Siteowners might have also requested that their sites be excluded from the Wayback Machine.


You're being repetitive now. I asked you what you have to back up your claim that the coin was out in the public. Wayback machine doesn't support your claim. We already established that before you started going on all bold on us.

What does support your claim that this coin was out in public for 2+  years?

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April 16, 2014, 11:21:17 PM
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You're being repetitive now. I asked you what you have to back up your claim that the coin was out in the public. Wayback machine doesn't support your claim. We already established that before you started going on all bold on us.

What does support your claim that this coin was out in public for 2+  years?

This is getting rediculous. There is nothing to support either claim here. But they have no reason to lie and because no one happened to stumble upon the site from way back when, its assumed that it must have just not existed. They have updates, and its easy to say that they could have put that at any time, but why would they? It reveals nothing and deosnt take away from anomitity and the main reason behind the coin. Who knows what site they used to really promote. Its obvious they want to be different from Bitcoin, so assume that it was promoted on sites that have nothing to do with Bitcoin. The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.


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The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.

The mentality is that since no one has presented any objective third party evidence that it isn't new, it might be.

Lack of evidence does not answer the question either way.
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April 16, 2014, 11:40:50 PM
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00
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did you guys check what was on cryptonote.org 6 months ago?

cryptonote.org had a totally different project on it in August. It might be interesting to dig down into that one a little, but I'm not the type to go there.

I did find the super-secret developer on bytecoin.org though!  




Not even blocked by robots.txt. So careless!



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April 17, 2014, 03:42:04 AM
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Is the total coin supply also going to mirror Bitcoin? Also please rethink the name. I was badly looking for a "proper" Bytecoin like coin to be released for this generation, please don't screw this up. It has the potential to be a HUGE success looking at the whitepaper.

Bytecoin = 184 billion coins, making it very oversupply, much commonplace, many coins. No WOW.

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I'm considering doing one as a bitcoin spin off. I promise it would have a better name Smiley
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it will be just copy/paste from Bytecoin(BCN) or with some innovations?
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).

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I'm considering doing one as a bitcoin spin off. I promise it would have a better name Smiley


Cool idea. I am thinking this one is being rushed into. There is no need to merge mine with BCN either. A proper good fork that everyone can hop on to is needed.

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The mentality about this coin seems to be that because I never heard of it or seen it then it must be new.

The mentality is that since no one has presented any objective third party evidence that it isn't new, it might be.

Lack of evidence does not answer the question either way.

The wiki entries for CryptoNote and BtyeCoin were created on April 12 and 15

https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=CryptoNote&action=history
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Bytecoin&action=history

Of course, this is not proof of anything...
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April 17, 2014, 02:40:42 PM
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Bitmonero BMR? Lol! What happened to voting on the name?! Omg if you move forward with such a hilariously bad name you're going to kill it. Please handle this seriously! Better off calling it Bytemonero.
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).



Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).



Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).

Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?

No windows, no OSX, name that no one likes - i will watch from the sidelines.
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Looks like everything is ready.
Bitmonero will be launched in 24 hours => Launch time 17 April, 22:00

Could you let us know what Bitmonero means?

Also, will you have binaries for OS X that work at this time (After two hours of wasted time, I can't get the Bytecoin source to compile).

Bitmonero = bit + monero
monero = mono (money) + ero (bit) = coin (esperanto language)

OS X build is a problem for me. I don't have a mac available for building and testing. In case somebody can help with building for Mac or for Windows, please PM me.

Wait, you won't have Windows available? A launch is basically a premine without a Windows client available. BCN has one, so what's the issue?

No windows, no OSX, name that no one likes - i will watch from the sidelines.

I will wait until somebody will help with windows and mac compilation.

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No windows wallet at launch = nerdy linux instamining coin! Postpone the launch till you have a windows wallet working, or this coin is not better than any other scam coin.
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trying to cross compile bytecoin right now

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trying to cross compile bytecoin right now

Thank you! Wink

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If you want a successful anonymous coin without insider instaminer, you need also a gui wallet.
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If you want a successful anonymous coin without insider instaminer, you need also a gui wallet.

This is true Wink

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Current status:

Everything works fine on Linux. We can launch as soon as Windows and Mac binaries will be ready.
In order to make everything as fair as possible I move a launch time  +12 hours. See updated original post.

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This is an UI issue only - technically there will be 2^64 - 1 atomic units

This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?

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+12h is good. East Europe can get some sleep now Smiley

Will there be any pool for mining?
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Current status:

Everything works fine on Linux. We can launch as soon as Windows and Mac binaries will be ready.
In order to make everything as fair as possible I move a launch time  +12 hours. See updated original post.

Thanks for this opportunity to sleep peacefully  Kiss
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+12h is good. East Europe can get some sleep now Smiley

Will there be any pool for mining?

No pools yet. There is not open source pool software for CryptoNote ;(

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This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?

Each good idea must have several independent adoption schemes Wink

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This and merged mining with Bytecoin... why do we need this coin?

Each good idea must have several independent adoption schemes Wink

Sure. So this is designed to be intentionally a deadbeat one in order to draw some miners to a black hole with no innovation. Thanks for playing. Your idea to self-implode BCN fork is novelty  Wink Might I suggest a dumber name might be more effective?

Someone with an "independent adoption scheme" of 21 million coins will be a better option.

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I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.

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I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
+1

I really like the idea of forking BCN but only if it is done properly!
The code delivered by Bytecoin deserves something proper with correct stats (not only shifting the decimal as biggest change).
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I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
+1

I really like the idea of forking BCN but only if it is done properly!
The code delivered by Bytecoin deserves something proper with correct stats (not only shifting the decimal as biggest change).

I think the most important change is the emissions schedule, but yes, this is rushed. The name alone may doom it.

This coin had no discussion behind it. It was pointed that the block time is too fast beyond the solo mining phase. It was kept without offering reasons. It was pointed out that the name should be voted on. Nope, and a bizarre name resulted.

Perhaps the biggest reason to fork is that it was mined for 2 years without making itself available to the other 99.9999999% of the internet on the clearweb. Yet, we wouldn't be much better if we did a launch without a GUI client and a website. Instead, we were 1 hour from launch without a Windows client, which is actually a step backwards from BCN itself (they released an easy-to-use package with a batch file for nontechnical users).

We need (1) an accessible release with (2) proper marketing (including a different name). Right now this fork doesn't have much of a reason to exist, IMO. There's no reason to release it now and work on these things later, either. All we'd be doing is unfairly mining it ahead of everyone else.
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I personally think this is being rushed and for what reason? The name is iffy and doesnt sound like a coin someone would want to own regardless of what it has to offer, no schematics released, no website; all of which makes it seem like it has poor dev. Hell I would have fronted the money for a site if it was needed. We could have built a community to ensure the success of a fork, but I feel you may just want to be the first.
If you look at the BCN forums, you will see that ByteCoin will be having some form of announcement at 16:00. It seems probable that this announcement will lead to a re-launch of BCN under fair conditions, and that this coin here is being developed by one of the BCN devs who has a difference of opinion with the team.

Could thankful_for_today explain his role with BCN?

Also, I totally agree that bitmonero is a poor name that will negatively affect adoption, especially if there are two BCN forks launched at the same time.

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35 min until start?
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Windows build is ready. Mac build isn't. Anybody can build for mac?

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IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

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I don't think you should launch the coin without a GUI..
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IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.

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IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.
This is bullshit. Does not compile on OSX. Though I can fix the malloc error (and the following error), the errors get increasing complex afterwards.

Code:
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- The C compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
-- The CXX compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Boost version: 1.55.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found PythonInterp: /usr/bin/python (found version "2.7.5")
-- Looking for include file pthread.h
-- Looking for include file pthread.h - found
-- Looking for pthread_create
-- Looking for pthread_create - found
-- Found Threads: TRUE 
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/build/release
cd build/release && /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr/bin/make
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/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:25:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
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someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)
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IRC might be helpful for a launch ..

Reschedule for later date?

IRC is good, yes.
Looks like there is no so much mac-only users here. We will start in few minutes.
As far as I see on my mac it isn't very easy to build this for mac: there is a lot of things to fix in code.

OK . . what should we expect? Are you going to update the OP, post at the end, new thread, or direct to a website?

I've updated an OP: sources are on git, binaries are on MEGA.
Height is 5, difficulty is 27908. This is a good start.
This is bullshit. Does not compile on OSX. Though I can fix the malloc error (and the following error), the errors get increasing complex afterwards.

Code:
mkdir -p build/release
cd build/release && cmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ../..
-- The C compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
-- The CXX compiler identification is Clang 5.1.0
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc
-- Check for working C compiler: /usr/bin/cc -- works
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info
-- Detecting C compiler ABI info - done
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++
-- Check for working CXX compiler: /usr/bin/c++ -- works
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info
-- Detecting CXX compiler ABI info - done
-- Boost version: 1.55.0
-- Found the following Boost libraries:
--   system
--   filesystem
--   thread
--   date_time
--   chrono
--   regex
--   serialization
--   atomic
--   program_options
-- Found PythonInterp: /usr/bin/python (found version "2.7.5")
-- Looking for include file pthread.h
-- Looking for include file pthread.h - found
-- Looking for pthread_create
-- Looking for pthread_create - found
-- Found Threads: TRUE 
-- Configuring done
-- Generating done
-- Build files have been written to: /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/build/release
cd build/release && /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/usr/bin/make
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[  0%] Built target version
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In file included from /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/common/base58.cpp:14:
In file included from /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/common/util.h:11:
/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:25:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
         ^
/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:29:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
         ^
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In file included from /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/common/util.cpp:10:
In file included from /Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/common/util.h:11:
/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:25:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
         ^
/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:29:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
         ^
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/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/crypto.h:29:10: warning: private field 'data' is not used [-Wunused-private-field]
    char data[32];
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/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/groestl.c:210:9: warning: comparison of integers of different signs: 'int' and
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  for(;i<(SIZE512/sizeof(uint32_t));i++)
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/Users/lunokhod/Coin/bitmonero-master/src/crypto/oaes_lib.c:37:10: fatal error: 'malloc.h' file not found
#include <malloc.h>
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Looks like this is a known problem with Cryptonote. Anyway I will accept patch for OsX into the repo as soon as somebody will fix this.

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April 18, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
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someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)

Just say start_mining address nthreads to all your daemons. It works more straitforward way than in bitcoin.

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someone can explain how to mine from different pc to one wallet?(run server and connect clients)

Just say start_mining address nthreads to all your daemons. It works more straitforward way than in bitcoin.
for example i start daemon on server
Code:
bitmonerod.exe  --rpc-bind-port=1155 --allow-local-ip
after that generate wallet on server
Code:
simplewallet.exe  --generate-new-wallet=example_wallet.bin --pass=12345

so how i can connect to server from other pc and mine?
with simpleminer ?
but simpleminer need parametrs login and password? how to set this parametrs on daemon?
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I keep getting connect failed errors.
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I keep getting connect failed errors.

Please copy what print_cn commands tells you?

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Anyone know where can we find the current difficulty and how to calclulate profit/time when we have that value and the hashrate. Hashrate can be found by typing show_hr on the daemon.

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@ OP: Pls take your time to discuss your project thoroughly before you start implementing! If this fork is made in a rush, in a rush it will be forgotten.
Pls take time to think about the best ways to do what you do. Thats all I ask for.

Good luck!

I agree, I don't want a hastily released clone of Bytecoin, please, no.
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not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (Huh) but the blockchain already started so;

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If you try to fix the data type size mismatch, be very careful you don't change the original intent, meaning the author may have wanted to leave off the high-order bits and place the rest in the smaller data type.
Someone could explicitly cast the data types to the new types, assuming the truncation was intended.  Or just ignore the errors and send CryptoNote a nasty email.
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not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (Huh) but the blockchain already started so;

i registered the channel #bitmonero on freenode, this is easier for support questions so come join!

You mean this coin is already live?  Why would you do this?
You could have actually improved it.
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No gui wallets for every platform = pre-mine.

Sorry, better luck next time.  If anyone is willing to actually improve the existing code and give it some GUI, let's do it, but not on a terrible release like this.
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No gui wallets for every platform = pre-mine.

Sorry, better luck next time.  If anyone is willing to actually improve the existing code and give it some GUI, let's do it, but not on a terrible release like this.

I don't think GUI is really the problem. It could be developed later on. What's more important for every new coin is to get miners in to secure the network.

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Starting minning, waiting for merged with BCN!
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not happy with the rush job and the 12 decimal numbers (Huh) but the blockchain already started so;

i registered the channel #bitmonero on freenode, this is easier for support questions so come join!

You mean this coin is already live?  Why would you do this?
You could have actually improved it.

i did not develop this, im only a believer of the cryptonote technology and try to be part of a community Smiley
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works fine, block rewards about 17coin...  There will be other news and other clones now that this tech is in the open.  Use this chance to early adopt or familiarize yourself with how it works, or call it a premine and underdeveloped and a scam and take your bologna elsewhere.

$MAID & $BTC other than that some short hodls and some long held garbage.
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hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?
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Congrats on the launch! "Bitmonero" at first seemed to be totally insane for the name of the coin. But I think I'm starting to like it. At least, it is so unexpected that it might actually be more recognizable than all the %word%coins.
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Starting minning, waiting for merged with BCN!

I'm working on this together with a friend of mine. Merged mining will be released next week.

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hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


It isn't ok. Say "refresh" to wallet.

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hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


It isn't ok. Say "refresh" to wallet.

hi,
i did refresh a wallet
Starting refresh...
Refresh done, blocks received: 4
balance: 0.000000000000, unlocked balance: 0.000000000000

and below are example of block

HEIGHT 222, difficulty:   57384
block reward: 17.588461894932(17.588461894932 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 385, cumulative size: 385, 1856(0/1856)ms
2014-Apr-18 21:47:54.181763 [P2P9]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <dbbe4bd600640da35c5bb570320f6b3cebee13f33a7e5d3c073dd59e27bb782c>
PoW:   <fe0509d301b1af50b36b0cfa3bebc94984390788a997cd2534cf261c6ed20000>
HEIGHT 223, difficulty:   57685
block reward: 17.588445121268(17.588445121268 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 386, cumulative size: 386, 1482(0/1482)ms
2014-Apr-18 21:48:25.369547 [P2P9]+++++ BLOCK SUCCESSFULLY ADDED
id:   <e04e89fb1491a2f87cbd73b4cecfe90ee4aceca33064c3a8abf1ddf72df3b306>
PoW:   <2b381cd101ec6459ce97ef6bdcd393bfdd95d57c12d962e697782cb881020100>
HEIGHT 224, difficulty:   57864
block reward: 17.588428347619(17.588428347619 + 0.000000000000), coinbase_blob_size: 386, cumulative size: 386, 1451(0/1451)ms

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April 18, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
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which algo? CryptoNight like bytecoin or not, because I have much lower hash rate than when mining bytecoin??
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April 18, 2014, 02:36:38 PM
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hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


You might have gotten an orphan. Do both balances say zero?

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yes.... and i type in my wallet "start mining" (not use simpleminer)
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So it looks like there willbe a total supply of ~18.5m, block reward is ~17 and we are currently at block 271.

Total coins willbe a factor 1000 of bytecoin and it has a flatter reward schedule. So after all it's not as bad as we thought it was!!

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hi,
first time for solomining, and i have a noob question
is it ok if in bitmonerod said block successfully added and have block reward around 17,6 coins, but when i check in my wallet is still zero?


You might have gotten an orphan. Do both balances say zero?

hi,
yes.... and i type in my wallet "start mining" (not use simpleminer)

Did you type "start mining" or "start_mining x" where x is the # of cores you'd like to use of your CPU?

Also, in your bitmonerod.log file do you have any lines that say something like this:

"2014-Apr-18 10:36:39.702998 [miner 5]Found block for difficulty: 55042"

Before you open the log file, type "save" into the bitmonero daemon.



ahh.... thank you sir for your advice, i think i've made a mistake for not include "_"
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April 18, 2014, 02:54:49 PM
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I have problems compiling this on Arch Linux:

/usr/bin/ld: /tmp/cch0N3UR.ltrans3.ltrans.o: undefined reference to symbol 'pthread_mutexattr_settype@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
/usr/lib/libpthread.so.0: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status

Can someone help?
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April 18, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
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So it looks like there willbe a total supply of ~18.5m, block reward is ~17 and we are currently at block 271.

Total coins willbe a factor 1000 of bytecoin and it has a flatter reward schedule. So after all it's not as bad as we thought it was!!

thankfull_for_today, can you add the channel #bitmonero on freenode in the OP?

done

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Mega download link is not working? It just says "temporary error".
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Mega download link is not working? It just says "temporary error".

Mirror added in the IRC channel. I think this is the link:  https://anonfiles.com/file/557536bff04c9dbb85d290233850873b

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April 18, 2014, 03:41:40 PM
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Is there a rationale for sticking with the CryptoNite hashing algo? Some issues I pointed out before: 1) the CPU mining phase is prone to botnets 2) Someone will inevitably develop a GPU miner and it's in their interest not to release it, creating a fairness problem.  (I'd personally prefer X11, because it's CPU+GPU and draws much less power than scrypt.)
Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.

I personally am explicity against a CPU+GPU algo. Because this means CPU have no reason to mine anymore (except for increasing a little the mining power of a GPU miner). GPU mining means "more money for the richs, less money for the rest of us". Not exactly in the direction of fairness.

Plus, CryptoNote goes beyond a lot of the shortcoming of the bitcoin protocol. CryptoNote uses CryptoNight algo only. Maybe it could be possible to implement X11 on CryptoNote as a replacement for CryptNight, but as stated above, I am against this.

That being said, your point regarding botnets is interesting. I suppose the reason why there is not much botnets on GPU is that server do not come with a real GPU to start with.

edit: I actually can't find anything on this algo. Is this even a sound hashing function with a low probability of being cracked in the future? Most of the algos that the crypto community has been using are well-established and created by professionals and researchers (like the NIST finalists).
Did you check for the Cryptonote or Cryptonight? The first is the technology, the second is the algo.

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"blocks recieved" is just the new blocks in the blockchain since your last refresh.  My question though, 3 blocks found... Balance 52, unlocked balance 35, why different? I haven't done a save, haven't locked it... and its been a while so its not waiting for confirmation.

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Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.

You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.
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Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).
And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...
Because BTC distribution is even worse.

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thx mars, so after 60 min they become locked each time? not sure if thats the case because its been over an hour an the other 17 hasnt locked.. could be an orphan? currently shows balance 70, unlocked 52 now...  Guess I should peer into the code.

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I can't even download windows binaries. "Temporary error, retrying." again and again.  That's pretty bad few hours after launch.
Can you upload this to somewhere else?

EDIT: Work's now!



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April 18, 2014, 04:44:27 PM
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"blocks recieved" is just the new blocks in the blockchain since your last refresh.  My question though, 3 blocks found... Balance 52, unlocked balance 35, why different? I haven't done a save, haven't locked it... and its been a while so its not waiting for confirmation.

The +#define CRYPTONOTE_MINED_MONEY_UNLOCK_WINDOW            60 change in the github indicates that it requires 60 minutes for your coins to be unlocked. In BCN this is 10. I'm not sure if these values refer to minutes though.

60 blocks unlock delay. This is much safer.

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Here is the failed connection error output from the print_cn command.
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Remote Host                       Peer id                     Recv/Sent (inactive,sec) State                    Livetime(seconds)  
[OUT]86.132.66.110:18080 a44ff43925dced34    1791(11)/1667(11)        state_normal             103                
[OUT]199.188.178.180:1808043d27bfe627efebd    1695(12)/1667(12)        state_normal             105                
[OUT]54.186.177.19:18080 9043f05c54f36351    1551(7)/1667(7)          state_normal             105                
[OUT]201.27.91.124:18080 87d7655a20e4f64f    1695(31)/1667(31)        state_normal             102                
[OUT]148.251.2.141:18080 ee0026af35985fc1    1716(36)/1002(36)        state_normal             50                  
[OUT]143.239.71.93:18080 52b68d5c5fa8a7a5    1743(13)/1667(13)        state_normal             106                
[OUT]144.76.158.69:18080 eaa86739c841f11e    1668(39)/1002(39)        state_normal             73                  
[OUT]50.187.147.123:18080e58b2e417aeff13     1572(39)/1002(39)        state_normal             105                
[OUT]178.64.122.77:18080 8c9e6eeb66e9b86c    1263(19)/1667(19)        state_normal             104            
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April 18, 2014, 05:24:47 PM
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Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.
You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.
Thank for correcting me. And about the energy footprint, is X11 less energy-hungry than Groestl?

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I keep getting connect failed errors.

Yeah I'm having a ton of them, probably 99/100 attempts. Anyone else have this? I've also found some blocks but they do not seem to be reflected in my wallet leading me to believe they are being orphaned.
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Then go to Groestl, which draws even less power than X11, is CPU+GPU too and better yet reduces the advantage of GPU over CPU.
You are wrong. When mining x11 with fx8320 i got ~460khs and with 270x 1.28mhs, that is just around 2.7 times difference. Sure you can get 290x and do 2.5mhs, but than is just 5.4 times the difference, but you can also have better cpu like i7 4770, fx8350 etc. Mining groestl it is bigger difference between cpu and gpu.
Thank for correcting me. And about the energy footprint, is X11 less energy-hungry than Groestl?
I don't know exactly, but difference is just few percent not something to worry about. Groestl, x11, twe are low power consumption algos. Maybe twecoin consumes less than groestl and x11, but as I said differences among those algos are just 1-3 % . Sha-3 is far more energy hungry.
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Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.

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Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.

There is no premine and there are linux and win64 binaries on release...

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Crypto distribution is absurdly bad (most, even big ones like LTC, have ~50% of coins held in the top 100 wallets).
And yet, LTC is the most successful alt by far...
Because BTC distribution is even worse.

No, that doesn't explain it. If other cryptos have a "better" distribution than LTC, and this matters, they would be beating LTC. They are not.

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Right now as we speak a prepared dev is making a coin and putting thought into implementing a proper fork for the community. . Better planning and community outreach would have spoke volumes. I am almost certain you are in this for a quick buck and could care less about the message and the technology. As people we imporve and innovate everything we produce, this shows neither.

There is no premine and there are linux and win64 binaries on release...

Those were pretty much already available. Innovation would have been beating the creators of Bytecoin to the OSX binary release, this alone would have attracted a pretty big base. This is among many other things would have really helped this along

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Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/



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I cannot compile for Arch/Manjaro Sad Bytecoin precompiled works perfectly and I changed nothing on my computer since yesterday

Edit: thanks to stickh3ad who sent me the precompiled ubuntu version over IRC - they work with Manjaro.

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I cannot compile for Arch/Manjaro Sad Bytecoin precompiled works perfectly and I changed nothing on my computer since yesterday

Try these binaries
http://www.filedropper.com/bitmonerouxcompiledtar

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Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/

With 15 H/s block every hour or two should come in

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Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.

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April 18, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
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Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.



type this command into daemon
Code:
set_log 1

this will let you see every time a new block is added to the chain
type help for other commands

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Can someone please look at the image and tell me if you know how to properly synchronize the blockchain?
I'm obviously not an expert, but from the messages it is outputting I would say its not working properly.
I just launched the daemon, nothing else.



Your blockchain is still catching up to the current one. Note the ascending number beside "top block". Just leave it running for a while and it will finish up.
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April 18, 2014, 08:38:59 PM
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Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?

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Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?

Type show_hr on daemon Smiley
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Thank you both the_darkness and tacotime, it eventually indeed synchronized.

I have started mining but I cant find where is my hash rate displayed, I used "start_mining x" on the daemon, where x is the number of threads I have available.

Also, what is the simpleminer.exe? The bytecoin bundle didnt have such a file, and also there is no documentation about it.

edit: someone else asked about the hashrate, got it.
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There may be no pre-mine, but not a single step was taken to make this coin any more accessible than BCN. An easy GUI miner is super critical for early adoption, as is a cross-platform wallet that can be used out of the box. So now the only miners are the same few people willing to fuss around in the command line.

Next week I will start my own fork of Bytecoin - another coin based on CryptoNote technology. It will be started from scratch (from block zero). I will write an anouncement today ot [ANN] subforum. Emission schedule will be more flat and block target will be reduced to 60 sec.
If we're going to create a bcn derivative, I think we need to have a serious community discussion about possible changes and improvements in the next iteration.

The only community discussion this coin saw (regarding the reduced block time) the developer ignored outright. It was made pretty clear that moving to 60 second blocks was not the best approach and had zero long-term benefit.

... It's a valid point that shorter block times will increase a solo miner's chances of finding a block, but even with a cpu-only coin it's only a matter of time before pooling becomes a necessity. At that point the shorter block time yields no benefit to the miners, but you're still left with the additional orphan blocks and wasted work.

I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.
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I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.

No one should disregard this comment. We can attempt to bring validity to all of this or start from scratch and bring forward a better directive with a message that stand true to the reason behind it all. This rush was uneeded and the only ones who will really care about this coin are the ones who wish to get quick on being the first to mine. If anyone wishes to produce a fork that has more focus and community orient I will be more than happy to support with donations to the cause, whether it be money or web support.

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I'm also baffled as to why the developer was in such a hurry to get this coin out the door. I suppose he was trying to capitalize on BCN's trending popularity, but unfortunately the big picture was lost.  I thought the reason for this fork was that BCN had already been 80% mined, and that we could start fresh and make the coin more accessible to everyone from the beginning, while making improvements to BCN that its devs may not have forseen 2 years ago.  If that wasn't the reason for this fork, then my post should be disregarded.

No one should disregard this comment. We can attempt to bring validity to all of this or start from scratch and bring forward a better directive with a message that stand true to the reason behind it all. This rush was uneeded and the only ones who will really care about this coin are the ones who wish to get quick on being the first to mine. If anyone wishes to produce a fork that has more focus and community orient I will be more than happy to support with donations to the cause, whether it be money or web support.

I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?
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Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

There are certainly people with the skill, and most of the GUI code can be ripped pretty easily from bitcoin-qt. The question is how to motivate someone to actually do it.

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I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining).

My recollection from reviewing the code changes is that the emissions should be about 1/4 the speed of bytecoin.

Not much advantage to early mining is relative though. Perhaps you have heard about Satoshi's 1m+ bitcoins?


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April 18, 2014, 09:37:58 PM
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Isn't difficulty little higher? I still have no block with 15 H/s machine. :/
How can I know my hashrate?
What? 0.9 hr! I can't believe it is so low! I have an i5-3337U (http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2441). I can't other CPU are 15 times more powerful. Is there something wrong here?

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I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.

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Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?
There are certainly people with the skill, and most of the GUI code can be ripped pretty easily from bitcoin-qt. The question is how to motivate someone to actually do it.

I will work on a GUI when I get home from work. I would much rather have a refork if thats even possible. We have alot fo discuss.

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I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.

It would be great an associate pool with minergate for merged mining ^^
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April 18, 2014, 10:18:17 PM
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I just wrote a tutorial. Here it is for your perusal. I hope it will help.

Linux tutorial
(but should be very close for other platforms)

Summary:
Two terminals, once for the daemon and one for the wallet and mining
• terminal 1:
Code:
./bitmonerod
• terminal 2:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(first time)
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(next times)

Get the precompiled binaries
Windows
Mac
Linux
you can also compile from source (I was not able to do so on Manjaro Linux, but the Ubuntu precompiled work flawlessly)

Open two terminals
For each terminal be sure to go to the folder where you have you binaries (on a graphical interface, the fastest way it to drag-and-drop a file from the file manager then remove the name of the file to have only the folder)

On terminal 1, type this command
Code:
./bitmonerod
Let it sync, it will be MUCH faster than bytecoin, since it is one day old (bytecoin is two years old)
That's all. Don't close (once the daemon is active, you can use show_hr to get your hashrate or  set_log 1/2/3 to change the verbosity of the logs). If you close the daemon whilst you are mining, mining will stop (obviously) and if you open the daemon again the mining won't resume (you must use the start_mining command on the wallet for that)

On terminal 2, type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=name_of_my_wallet.bin
(I am not sure .bin is necessary)
You will be prompted for a password. Be careful, you won't have to type a confirmation so beware of typos!
Close the wallet with the "exit" command.

Now type this command:
Code:
./simplewallet --wallet-file=name_of_my_wallet.bin
and enter your password. If you forgot your password or mistyped it at creation time, delete every file starting with name_of_my_wallet.bin and start over. Every bitmonero would be lost forever, that's why it is important that you do it just after the creation, before any mining.

Mining
And now the good stuff: mining!
Since the wallet is also the miner, enter this:
Code:
start_mining x
where x is your number of threads (use nproc on linux to know it - should work on Mac too; on Windows, either get a utility for this or use this formula: number of CPU (usually 1) time number of cores time 2 (if no support for Hyperthread, remove the *2)
Or course, you don't have to use all your threads (especially if you are using your computer for something else)
Unfortunately, on my machine/OS, I cannot mine on more than one thread at a time. I don't know if it is my machine or my OS.(deleted the blockchain and resynchronized, works now)

By the way: if you want to know your hashrate, type show_hr in bitmonerod. And if you want to change the amount of  information in the daemon, use  set_log 1 (least info) to  set_log 3 (max info)


How can you know that you are actually mining? Check you CPU usage :-) If it less than 80% chances are you are not mining.

I hope this tutorial will prove useful

Edit: I've been suggested to add my address, so here it is:
Code:
46ctfLBhgyzJm61oTtDfu9GbVhG7ito4fNiQjdZcB5bL3mz5ejQrPD29uEkDHFzCVTHGFqAdG456w6ivYp7K23SiGREUiQe

(by the way, this coin is welcome breath of fresh air after the agressiveness and, dare I say, stupidity of the Blackcoin thread)

Thanks to tacotime for the Ubuntu binaries (I could not compile on Arch) and Vilchaco for the show_hr trick.

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I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining). And maybe if I hear the name often enough, I'll get over it. :\

Is there anyone with the skill to implement a GUI?

We need a pool server first, obviously I can do the guiminer when we have that using simpleminer as the miner.

It would be great an associate pool with minergate for merged mining ^^

I'm looking at the source code for bytecoin now, it looks like it has everything it needs to do getblocktemplate as in bitcoin using the RPC server that bytecoind spins at 127.0.0.1:18081.  Going to look over eloipool now.

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why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4
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April 18, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
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why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

Not sure, could be the windows binaries are just slow if those are what you're using

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People who want to query the RPC server, you can do so with curl:

Code:
curl -X POST http://127.0.0.1:18081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"test","method":"getblockheaderbyheight","params":{"height":100}}' -H "Content-Type: application/json" -H "Accept:application/json"

Change the stuff after "-d" to whatever from the wiki:
https://wiki.bytecoin.org/wiki/JSON_RPC_API

If you want to use curl, then convert it to compact:
http://jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com/

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Do you get "Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0" all the time? It was not the case some hours ago. I restarted the daemon and the wallet many times.

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why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

I don't have this issue (mining on Windows 7). It starts low and ramps up over a few minutes. Is 3.4 your stable hash rate or just the initial?
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So we have everything in place needed for pools
basically

getblocktemplate (HTTP JSON server) --> block header blob --> miners
increment block header blob with
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++(*((uint32_t*)&job.blob.data()[39]));
miners submit blob and block header hash back to server
server submits to network using submitblock
server pays proportional based on shares per round

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why is hashrate lower than bytecoin? while mining bytecoin I have about 5.6H/s and with bitmonero 3.4

I don't have this issue (mining on Windows 7). It starts low and ramps up over a few minutes. Is 3.4 your stable hash rate or just the initial?
I am on win 8.1, 3.4-3.6 stable with 6 threads. 6 threads on bytecoin 5.6 when solo, and about 4.2 when using minergate.
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Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  Grin How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got this message from bitmonerod:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?Huh?
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Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  Grin How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got the message:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?Huh?

Wait a while and type refresh in your simplewallet terminal. It should show up unless it was an orphaned block.
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Ok, got the miner up and running and just found a block  Grin How long until it shows in my balance? Is there a command to find out?

Or, is there a problem because immediately after finding the block I got the message:

Some problems at write: An established connection was aborted by the software in your host machine.

I've googled it, but can only find out it's a winsock issue (I think).

Any ideas?Huh?

Wait a while and type refresh in your simplewallet terminal. It should show up unless it was an orphaned block.

Brilliant, worked a treat, thanks  Grin

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Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?
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Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Am I suffering a similar problem, if it is a problem?

I was getting blocks ok, but now all I see is "Block added as alternative" messages.

What does this mean?

As usual, nothing about this on google.
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Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Coins with faster blocks are much more prone to forking.

Satoshi picked ten minutes not because he wanted to annoy people by making them wait for their transactions but because he looked at latencies across a large network and concluded that 10 minutes was the smallest number that also kept chain forks to a minimum.


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Twice I've seen stuff about alternate blockchains and successful "reorganizations" in the daemon. Is this common in all cryptocurrencies but simply hidden behind the GUI? Or is this coin particular prone to forking?

Am I suffering a similar problem, if it is a problem?

I was getting blocks ok, but now all I see is "Block added as alternative" messages.

What does this mean?

As usual, nothing about this on google.

This isn't a problem and you aren't suffering from this unless you have mined block that gone to alternative branch. In the later case (you mined block but somebody else mined two blocks in the different branch) you loose your block reward.

This logic is the same in all currencies and in Bitcoin also. 10 minutes were choosen 5 years ago. Now 1 minute is a reasonable minimum. It makes chain to react faster on any changes and gives more chances to solo miners. In currencies with gui wallets you don't read logs normally. If you will you can find reorganize events and lternative chains.

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Do you get "Error: refresh failed: daemon is busy. Please try later. Blocks received: 0" all the time? It was not the case some hours ago. I restarted the daemon and the wallet many times.

Say "save" to bitmonerod console. This is a small bug in rpc handling.

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There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

I have some budget we can spend to motivate GUI developers:
1.000.000 BCN and 400 BMR.

Anybody can contribute some coins also for this purpose.

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There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

You are more then welcome to join us at freenode / #bitmonero Wink

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There is a lot of issues with GUI to talk about. I propose to meet in Irc at 20GMT today. Is this time good?

I have some budget we can spend to motivate GUI developers:
1.000.000 BCN and 400 BMR.

Anybody can contribute some coins also for this purpose.
I might be busy by that time. I have a developper potentially interested.

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How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

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I just contacted http://cpucoinlist.com/ and sent this message:
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Bytecoin (80% mined already, was confidential) and Bitmonero (launched yesterday, essentially a fairer bytecoin)
Both are CPU-only, thanks to the cryptonight algorithm
"CryptoNote brings the equality with an egalitarian proof-of-work pricing function, which is perfectly suitable for ordinary PCs. It utilizes built-in CPU instructions, which are very hard and too expensive to implement in special purpose devices or fast memory-on-chip devices with low latency."

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April 19, 2014, 04:10:09 PM
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I just contacted http://cpucoinlist.com/ and sent this message:
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Bytecoin (80% mined already, was confidential) and Bitmonero (launched yesterday, essentially a fairer bytecoin)
Both are CPU-only, thanks to the cryptonight algorithm
"CryptoNote brings the equality with an egalitarian proof-of-work pricing function, which is perfectly suitable for ordinary PCs. It utilizes built-in CPU instructions, which are very hard and too expensive to implement in special purpose devices or fast memory-on-chip devices with low latency."

I will add bitmonero and the cryptonote info to the site.

I'm not going to add bytecoin unless it is added to a major exchange. Any coin needs to be on a major exchange within 60 days. That is one of the guidelines used to keep dead coins off the list.
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April 19, 2014, 04:13:36 PM
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How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.
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How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.
my question may sound stupid, but how do you know when you have found a block ?
I got right after my message a blue message in the bitmonerod.exe screen but when I check the balance It is still 0

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April 19, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
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How long does it take to mine a block with a i7 3770 ?
(just to know if it is doable...)

It's solo mineable with that and perhaps just about anything except the worst mobile CPU. And in fact that's the only option right now so you might as well. Hopefully we'll have a pool within a month but the only ones who have an implementation currently is those MinerGate insiders.
my question may sound stupid, but how do you know when you have found a block ?
I got right after my message a blue message in the bitmonerod.exe screen but when I check the balance It is still 0

Type refresh in simplewallet.
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April 19, 2014, 05:31:12 PM
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so, bitmonero blockchain apparently died (lol) and no one is getting new blocks

trying to figure out what went wrong

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April 19, 2014, 05:31:49 PM
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blockchain stuck?

i'm getting errors like this http://pastebin.com/i1cDvfBs, not moving any blocks in the right direction
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April 19, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
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blockchain stuck?

i'm getting errors like this http://pastebin.com/i1cDvfBs, not moving any blocks in the right direction

Yeah -- it looks like a tx entered the network that violates client spend rule, and now it's in everyone's mempools

If you want to keep mining blocks you can probably temporarily disable mempool, but obviously no tx will go through the network

I'm gonna dump the blockchain now and have a look

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Well, that was fun while it lasted.
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April 19, 2014, 06:18:42 PM
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so here's the scoop

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<tacotime> yeah so from what i can tell
<tacotime> blockchain_storage.cpp and/or the rest of the daemon is calculating the coinbase tx subsidies in different ways
<tacotime> it wasn't an issue before, but two hours ago i tried to spend pretty much everything at one of my coinbase tx and the tx hit the network

trying to figure out what in the fork code broke this right now.

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April 19, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
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Live fast, die young lol
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April 19, 2014, 07:31:43 PM
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so, should we stop mining or what?  Huh i just found a block few hours back
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April 19, 2014, 07:35:18 PM
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so, should we stop mining or what?  Huh i just found a block few hours back

The current situation is that someone disabled mempool and forked the chain so that the invalid tx doesn't get in the way. But the difficulty hasn't changed much so blocks are being found much more rarely than 1 minute. So you can mine, it's just very slow. A few people are on the freenode channel trying to solve the cause of the problem.
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fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

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fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright Smiley
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please Wink

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fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright Smiley
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please Wink

cool, sounds good Smiley

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April 19, 2014, 08:08:50 PM
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fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright Smiley
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please Wink

I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.
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I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.

It's a soft fork so prior blocks should be OK, just need to recompile

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fix coming soon, it looks like get_block_reward doesn't work as intended.

i will pm thankful_for_today with some c code to disable adaptive block sizing and set blocksize limits to those similar in bitcoin, then we should be back on track with a hardfork i hope.

Hello!

It's allright Smiley
I have a fix and I will deploy it now.
Hardfork is not required. The problem is in mining code not in protocol rules.

10 minutes, please Wink

cool, sounds good Smiley

The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

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April 19, 2014, 08:24:25 PM
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I'm seeing a ton of red in bitmonerod - presumably this is the issue displaying itself.

Do I need to re-download the blockchain? Download a new wallet  or bitmonerod? Just leave it mining and it will fix itself?

Thanks.

It's a soft fork so prior blocks should be OK, just need to recompile

Yes. No actions from node operators is needed just now. As soon a fix will be pushed to repo you need to replace old binaries to new ones. But in any way this will not be an urgent issue. The problem now is that nobody can include that transaction in block Wink As soon as it will be accepted network will continue normal operations.

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April 19, 2014, 08:43:59 PM
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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.

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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

First notable event in the history of BMR.
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Looks like it's fixed now. Big tx gone into blockchain. You can see blocks in the network at normal speed.

1. Sorry for inconvenience.

2. I'll post about git changes soon.

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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.

Thank you for this problem. This is the way software becomes better.

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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?
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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534

Funnily this is my tx

Hope to see the commit soon!

edit: looks like your patch worked, as the tx now exists in the main chain.

Thank you for this problem. This is the way software becomes better.

Thank you for fixing it. But also, come join us on freenode.
We where just discussing this tx bug before you got back Wink
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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?
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Looks like it's fixed now. Big tx gone into blockchain. You can see blocks in the network at normal speed.

1. Sorry for inconvenience.

2. I'll post about git changes soon.

Git updated. BUT: I don't recomment to update all nodes now due to following reasons:

- this patch isn't tested properly (=> can cause some other unknown problems)
- network operates normally without this patch (it doesn't change any protocol logic)

Let's wait 1-2 days before updating all nodes. Old code works the right way in most cases except transactions bigger than 20Kb.
In case such big (>20Kb) transaction will appear again it will be included by patched nodes and this will not influence network very much.

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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?
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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

The tx that was causing the problem has been accepted into a block, so yes you can keep using yesterday's version.
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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

Yes, you can.

The problem with the block chain being stalled was caused by no one having the patch. As long as some nodes have the patch, everyone else can continue using the old code.
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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?

Probably yes, but it doesn't influences network operations as much as in BMR. Why? I suppose that there is a number of BCN nodes using old or very old mining code. This bug has been introduced a week or two ago and BMR has been started from last snapshoot of BCN code and we met this problem.

This way there is no real problem with BCN even with a bug in last commits. But I've sent them an e-mail.

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The problem is in block generation code. In one of last updates in Bytecoin there was a bug introduced: it calculates extra-size penalty the wrong way. As a result we see that a mined block isn't accepted by the network. I will consume the big transaction now into correct block. As soon as network accepts this block I will release new mining code to git.

Here is the tx that caused the problem:

id: <f1d8e3391161e4e98566c746d605f97cf432cbd19c83d8b0444e02748f54117e>
blob_size: 20534


Does BCN still possess this issue?

Probably yes, but it doesn't influences network operations as much as in BMR. Why? I suppose that there is a number of BCN nodes using old or very old mining code. This bug has been introduced a week or two ago and BMR has been started from last snapshoot of BCN code and we met this problem.

This way there is no real problem with BCN even with a bug in last commits. But I've sent them an e-mail.

Just wanted to say good job on a quick recovery and sorting out what sounds like a tricky problem.
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You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.
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It's up on git. Can someone compile the Windows binary?

Please see my comments below: patch wasn't tested properly. It's better to stay 1-2 days with some node not patched. This will help in case of problems with this patch.

The absense of this patch doesn't influence miner's income in most cases.

Sorry, I'm confused, can we continue mining with the wallet and bitmonerod from yesterday?

Yes, you can.

The problem with the block chain being stalled was caused by no one having the patch. As long as some nodes have the patch, everyone else can continue using the old code.


I confirm this is correct.

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You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful Wink

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OK, prolly nothing, but I now have a sea of red complaining about found future peerlist all for the same IP..... it has complained about this six times in the last ten minutes.

On the upside, I found a block !!!!
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You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful Wink

I wasn't implying the changes were dangerous, but I was wondering how mining fees changed quantitatively (I think that's what the removed code affects?).
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You changed a lot of the code. What are the consequences? Previously the tx's were sorted more thoroughly.

2 changed files with 14 additions and 47 deletions. I hope that nothing bad can happen. But we have to be careful Wink

I wasn't implying the changes were dangerous, but I was wondering how mining fees changed quantitatively (I think that's what the removed code affects?).

I happened to just find a block and it looks to be about the same amount as previously (~17.5 BMR).
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I happened to just find a block and it looks to be about the same amount as previously (~17.5 BMR).

The changes (maybe) affect the transaction fees, not the block reward.
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April 20, 2014, 01:33:25 AM
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Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

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Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296


Interesting way to discover the price, if anyone bids. But the first post is not really informative so I think you should explain the coin in the auction itself. We keep using phrases like "based on CryptoNote technology" but the vast majority aren't going to bother looking up what that means. Which is a shame because this is not a BTC fork and deserves more attention.

On a related note, this topic's first post should also be more informative. Links to BCN or the CrpytoNote website should be secondary to explaining everything right here (including the ring signatures). Most people don't have the initiative to do 5 minutes of research.
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April 20, 2014, 02:03:40 AM
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Auctioning 100 BMR minimum bid 0.001 btc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577296


Interesting way to discover the price, if anyone bids. But the first post is not really informative so I think you should explain the coin in the auction itself. We keep using phrases like "based on CryptoNote technology" but the vast majority aren't going to bother looking up what that means. Which is a shame because this is not a BTC fork and deserves more attention.

On a related note, this topic's first post should also be more informative. Links to BCN or the CrpytoNote website should be secondary to explaining everything right here (including the ring signatures). Most people don't have the initiative to do 5 minutes of research.

It has a link to here. This thread should be more informative, I agree with that.


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April 20, 2014, 03:09:31 AM
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I'd also recommend making the title more attention-grabbing. At a minimum add "fully anonymous" to the title:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new fully anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED

Or more techy:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin using ring signatures for full anonymity (based on CryptoNote technology) - LAUNCHED
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April 20, 2014, 03:11:28 AM
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Good suggestions.
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April 20, 2014, 03:18:47 AM
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Hi,

I started the daemon up and it seems done catching up with the block chain. Starting simplewallet.exe I encounter a problem:

Code:
2014-Apr-20 05:09:50.458935 bitmonero wallet v0.8.5.294(0.1-g147aac7)
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ERROR ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430 e || !exists. THROW EXCEPTION: error::file_not_found
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430:struct tools::error::file_error_base<1>: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:254 could not open account
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:909 Failed to initialize wallet

I use the following parameter with my simplewallet.exe-short cut: simplewallet --wallet-file=mein_wallet.bin
What am I doing wrong?
How can I start mining?

Thx
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April 20, 2014, 03:36:16 AM
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I'd also recommend making the title more attention-grabbing. At a minimum add "fully anonymous" to the title:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new fully anonymous coin based on CryptoNote technology - LAUNCHED

Or more techy:

[ANN][BMR] Bitmonero - a new coin using ring signatures for full anonymity (based on CryptoNote technology) - LAUNCHED

Agreed, good idea.
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April 20, 2014, 03:42:02 AM
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Hi,

I started the daemon up and it seems done catching up with the block chain. Starting simplewallet.exe I encounter a problem:

Code:
2014-Apr-20 05:09:50.458935 bitmonero wallet v0.8.5.294(0.1-g147aac7)
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ERROR ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430 e || !exists. THROW EXCEPTION: error::file_not_found
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 ..\..\src\wallet\wallet2.cpp:430:struct tools::error::file_error_base<1>: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.226036 Error: failed to load wallet: file not found "mein_wallet.bin.keys"
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:254 could not open account
2014-Apr-20 05:09:52.229036 ERROR ..\..\src\simplewallet\simplewallet.cpp:909 Failed to initialize wallet

I use the following parameter with my simplewallet.exe-short cut: simplewallet --wallet-file=mein_wallet.bin
What am I doing wrong?
How can I start mining?

Thx

You're missing "mein_wallet.bin.keys". Did you generate a wallet? The command will be:

simplewallet --generate-new-wallet=mein_wallet.bin --pass=123

The password can be anything you want (123 here as an example).
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April 20, 2014, 04:01:38 AM
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how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))
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April 20, 2014, 04:02:03 AM
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how about wallet with gui not only with command line?))

Someone claimed to be working on it a few posts back
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