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June 05, 2014, 06:40:26 PM
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at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault and a lot, we didnt feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

This is another reason for no one to go after that product. The legality of trying to buy them is dubious at best. Plus with the boards I received I'm not sure you want what they'd be selling, unless they are proven to be working.

Well technically they are our materials, and if you really wanted to buy the you could purchase them from us. But we wouldn't sell them to you, cause they have the wrong the values. Now if you get new caps, and a few other key components the extra is worth is it yes.
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at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault and a lot, we didnt feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

This is another reason for no one to go after that product. The legality of trying to buy them is dubious at best. Plus with the boards I received I'm not sure you want what they'd be selling, unless they are proven to be working.

Well technically they are our materials, and if you really wanted to buy the you could purchase them from us. But we wouldn't sell them to you, cause they have the wrong the values. Now if you get new caps, and a few other key components the extra is worth is it yes.

How is it your materials when you haven't paid for them?

In fact, how are the miners you shipped to customers even yours when you didn't pay IMET for them?   Did you sell stolen goods?

And we're back to just deleted your posts cause your an instigating  shmuck.
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at least if it was such a problem, why charge someone over and over again and leave them with nothing to show for it. And legally until figuring out the situation and all the moving parts involved and questioning if it was our own fault and a lot, we didnt feel need to mention this situation or effect their reputation. But when the hopped on the forum, and started all that nonsense, it was like.. really..

This is another reason for no one to go after that product. The legality of trying to buy them is dubious at best. Plus with the boards I received I'm not sure you want what they'd be selling, unless they are proven to be working.

Well technically they are our materials, and if you really wanted to buy the you could purchase them from us. But we wouldn't sell them to you, cause they have the wrong the values. Now if you get new caps, and a few other key components the extra is worth is it yes.

How is it your materials when you haven't paid for them?

In fact, how are the miners you shipped to customers even yours when you didn't pay IMET for them?   Did you sell stolen goods?

And we're back to just deleted your posts cause your an investigative shmuck.

Well,  we would like to know who owns what.  IMET says you didn't pay.  Didn't pay for the items that they have or also for items that they already delivered?  

I want to know if we can acquire all those parts from IMET.

Also... is it good practice to insult your customer?

Look, I've tried to be reasonable here.

* I asked you for a missing part (i.e. backplane) that you never delivered.
* I asked you for A1 chips in lieu of a working system... you never agreed.
* I asked you a refund of 6 BTC ... less than what I paid in USD... you never accepted.

I am giving you every opportunity to get out of a bad deal, but you continue to refuse the offers.





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Why delete my post and leave his?

Because he is a client that tries to help resolve the issue and further the business if possible, he understands the situation and while taking an unbiased standpoint even he looks at the facts.

The problem is that most of your clients are not privy to the facts so sadly we can not judge the situation on them. Instead if anyone posts an opinion contrary to your personal bias they comment is deleted, or at least the perception for my point of view. Perhaps that is not how you mean to come across.

I'd love to help you, had even offered via e-mail to help on the customer service end as I was a retail manager for two years, in which I helped turn around a failing store. There was no response.

All I want if for this all to be over and if I had a magic wand to fix all the issues I'd lend it to you.

They even deleted a post of me saying we should not be biased or bigoted. I'll gladly share my deleted posts with anyone who wishes as this thread is being manicured to present a false narrative surrounding the entire reality of the situation.

If you'd care to send an NDA we'd be glad to hear what's really going on. Its all that most of us wanted to hear in the first place.

We'd like to put it out in the open, and it will in due time. We are not con-men, or a scam. Even our manufacturer's CEO (who must have some damn free time to spend) has gotten on this forum to try and prevent the inevitable. It was just an instance where several things happened in the wrong way in a continuous order. There is no one to blame other than ourselves and our choices which we have made until this point. We remove comments based on the content in those comments. Like employee names or customer opinions that may seem like spam, or opinions of those that have just tried to bring us down from day one like phineaus or sirminesalot (who most likely does not mine alot btw) for example.

All in all, if our clientele were smart, they'd try and help us succeed so we could generate new income, deliver promptly and take actions necessary to keep them at a level which is equal to or above satisfaction. Every comment with a negative context about AMT results in the possible lack of sale, or the inevitable closure of business due to mistakes made on both sides, on ours and our clients side as well. We have never been politically correct from a corporate standpoint, but it was also that aspect which attracted some of our clients to begin with. "who cares if they are assholes, they get the job done and I got my miner and it mines" which was said about us after delivering the bitfury miners when we started.

Yes we may have disorganized management. And we may have trusted the wrong people, or manufacturers or even consultants which led us down this path today. But it was our fault to do so.  And all in all, there isn't much we can do it about it now, so when your backed up in a corner by everyone around you, one either fight them off one by one until your out of the corner, or you collapse and take the beating and wallow in it for years to come. Which do you think we're going to do based on what you know about us.

And even when its out in the open, and everyone's knows exactly what happened which to an extent has been posted on this forum already we believe, by an eve's dropper of sorts in our office, those which were greedy from the start would never be satisfied anyway. So either we work to build our business to rectify all of our clients, or we give up and go bankrupt and then you'll all fee the same way hashfast's clients feel now. Or we'll be put in prison for fraud even though its clear that we partnered with a swiss company, who made a chip, who was late, and we hired subcontracted manufacturer who has admitted faults in their production and when we still sought alternative options for clients and were silenced by plaintiff's counsel for fear of loosing everything all together when trying to provide those options to customers. How is that going to impact plaintiff's counsel? And now, we can either deliver your original orders, or settle, or fight or give up.

There have been other characters (very few) in this industry that have been through the exact same thing even and even after it was done and finished and there were no legal obligations of repayment, they still made sure people were paid back or at least satisfied to some extent. Anyone remember Basic?

But its hard to do that when your name is ruined on google, and its even harder when some of your clients have nothing better to do then sit on a forum waiting for an outcome which can only result in their further dissatisfaction. Like the people that go to a casino to loose, just to feel the rush. And when a hillbilly extortionist from Illinois still on a day to day basis makes sure things are optimized so carefully because hes being paid by a competitor.  

Think about it logically and put yourselves in our position and ask yourselves what you do. After you've already lost the race, would you give up and choose to not stay in an skeptical market which sells a machine that produces an electronic algorythm which doesn't exist and has no value other than that of which its given by the community around it. Think about it, and then ask us again why we need to delete posts and what our intentions are going forward.




Hilarious.

"They are assholes but they get the job done?" You are fucking retarded.

AMT hasn't delivered on jack shit. There were 2 buyers of the bitfury based miners that said they both regretted buying the miners (they were overpriced and soon to be vaporware with low hash rates). They also said they were plagued with issues, like overheating and blowing the PSUs on them. The other bitfury miner went to a board member FOR FREE as payment for spreading good words around about AMT. Since then, that user has objected to AMT and how they conduct business.

As for the 1.2TH's? Not one person has a working version yet. You are here crying about how you are trying to rectify the problem: I HAVE THE SOLUTION. REFUNDS. START REFUNDING CUSTOMERS or SHUT THE FUCK UP. The fact that you haven't returned a single person's money, isn't only illegal: but shows AMT's true motives.

The reality is that you guys don't get SHIT done. You took everyone's money, never delivered, and now you come on here and post how you're clientele are idiots because they don't want to see you become profitable again and succeed? Now you are crying about how Bruno ruined your good name in google??? You want to cry on these forums now to the people you have FUCKED over out of several thousand dollars? Everyone here wants to see you No one believes how you are the victim in all of this. Everyone that bought with AMT has been victimized.


Firstly I gotta start with you....who do you work for? because you are overly motivated to get AMT off the board for someone who is not even a customer...you have 0 skin in this game (as a customer) and your suggestions only hurt the rest of us even more....we lose the money, the miners, and everything at this point....sending them to jail will not benefit us at all. In fact we lose even worse. With all the middle men involved in an asset seizure we would have little or nothing to claim......as much as that prospect sounds great its an emotional reaction from people with skin in the game OR someone who is motivated in some other manner to take him out...and I also noticed another pattern...you seem selective in who you target. You and a couple of others dont go after some obvious scams BUT are quick to go after the legitimate businesses....I have been watching the patterns of behaviour based on your posts...its a very targeted way of doing things...so who? BFL? Cointerra? There are plenty with the motive to take out competitors in this way.

There are corporate hunters, I get that...but there are a select few with so much motivation that it makes me question if they really just altrustic despite the facts in front of them...AMT produced a product (shitty as it was it was made) and still you level scam at them. That only happens when someone wants those google SEO results to reflect a certain result.

It is in mine (and all of us who lost out) best interest to have them continue business....A: compensation B: Support for the product....so tossing them in jail right now is not going to solve shit.

I don't believe for one second he is a victim in all this. Won't go out of my way to defend him. BUT you have no obvious motivation in here to comment other than to insult and berate and make this situation worse for everyone. I remember your referencing biomech....He never said the system sucked in fact it was a good review.....for the refunds....oh I agree illegal as shit...but again...WHY are you here? The only conclusion I can come up with is you are a paid shill by a company with a motive to take out competitors. I see your posts are pretty consistent like that with various smaller operations as well.

AMT is actually working on solutions they have posted some evidence to that effect. The court will be enforcing whatever settlement comes out which is what matters to all of us with an actual financial stake here......your motivation for him to go to jail is a puzzle tho. You seem to be instigating people into a virtual mob mentality which has worked. I have had to think about some of the people who post here.  What motives do they have even being here posting? I know mine...to get working miners, and compensated for this mess....I am activly working to make that happen. I have contingencies in place as well.....I am sure others with a stake in this ALSO have similar ideas as well.

So again in case you dont answer the question WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I've stated before, and I will again - AMT took 2 orders from my friend, about $15,000 worth of hardware - and delivered him BRICKS.

We'll see if they make things right, but as of right now nothing has been done to rectify this situation. AMT is deleting posts from MPARK, and last I checked he was a customer as well.

I'm not some paid slanderer for another company. I know someone who has been burned by AMT, like most of you. No one other than AMT has put themselves in this situation, and now they have to deal with it. I'd like to see him thrown in jail because he's conducted wire fraud, and broken the law by flat out denying refunds. has added insult to injury with blaming customers for HIS shitty business dealings.

 If he had shown a shred of transparency when these issues first came up, maybe people wouldn't have RUN to lawyers to sue him. Now he's blaming customers for taking action against AMT, when back then we didn't get updates for weeks. WHAT DID HE EXPECT, we'd sit on our hands for another 3 months and hope for the best?

So yes, I hope his company is liquidated, customers refunded, and Just because they PLAN to fix this mess, doesn't mean they shouldn't be accountable for the many ways they have broken the law.

Ok so your friend is in capable of speaking up for himself?

Nice diversion by mentioning mrparks deleted posts, still has nothing to do with you. And most of us don't know someone who was burned by AMT we actually were burned by them....huge distinction. You still are overly motivated for someone with no direct financial interest in this.

And you repeat the same drumroll that happens to be very googleable. Yes we know this. We are addressing it via court....there are all sorts of things happening right now......your "friend" can post for himself unless of course he lacks hands or is a vegetable (there are even voice typing options for quadraplegics if he/she happens to be one so short of being in a coma he/she can come here and participate themselves). Like I said you are way to motivated for it. There are people I would take a bullet for, but I would not go so far as to start posting on their behalf in a forum when they can do it themselves.

On the other stuff that will unfold as it needs to. I find it interesting how you backtracked a bit to add some compassion for our situation, where before it was just about sending him to jail regardless. They already are being held accountable for this mess...and with class actions there are typically provisions that make it so they legally cannot pull this shit again. This is pretty standard..This is why most any company that fucks up does not repeat those mistakes again. its now a legally enforced requirement on conditions of the settlement.

I already am clear about my motivations here. I want us all to walk away from this whole (and obviously myself mainly). See I get the motivations of other people here....clenell for instance I have NO question of his motivation regardless of how much he dislikes me I respect his position, he wanted his miners when they said they would deliver...and he took action to make sure not just him but the rest of us are righted in all this. Frictionless also and ALL the people complaining that have an order regardless of delivered/not delivered have a reason to complain. Their motivations are not in question. Yours and a few others who come on here regularly though I have to question. You are overly motivated to tear him down, but have no actual ground for yourself to stand on...no actual claim. At least not an obvious one. Which is why it seems suspect and makes me think you might actually be financially motivated by someone else. BFL or Cointerra are obvious targets because they are american direct competitors and have the most to gain by making sure AMT does not ever function again......Hashfast is already out the door as it is. BFL has the history of the criminally shady behavior AND they have now known shadow accounts on this forum to do their dirty work.

The haters should ALSO be questioned in their motives for coming down at a company. I am starting to see the patterns of these people. Not all the corp hunters are shills but I am sure a few are. And is becoming increasingly obvious who they are.

Opium, if you want AMT to succeed, then can you explain why they fail on the simplest task on at least emailing their customer base to let them know about progress? AMT is failing again and again on this task. And this is going to cause more and more lawsuits. My lawyer has contacted them and of course we get no response. We have given them options to which they have not even responded. Guess what, we gave them a respectful deadline. After that they are going to get hit with another lawsuit. All because they cant communicate to their customers.

AMT, you posted a large message saying what we would do if we were in your place, I will say again that you should at least email your customer base informing them of progress or something. You keep saying you cant post in this public forum, so don't ! You can call or email your customer base. A company that truly wanted to change for the better would take actions to do so.

You might want to re-read WHY I want them to succeed. The why is so that we all get our comp after all this. The idea is a win win...otherwise its a lose lose. I know how this goes from a business standpoint. We all lose if they lose....we might win something...the toaster vs the car on the gameshow so to speak.

But you are right they need to get their A game on for communicating with people. That is a problem that's been constant. If they fixed that alone and were more careful about words to their customers/clients, things would be far better. They can post on the forums they just have to watch what they say here. Its all about perception and right now that perception is bad.....

If you feel you need to lawyer up then more power to you, you have a right to if they are not talking to you over the email/phone options they put out. They are taking actions to change at least the product side of things from what it looks like. But yea I agree the communication has to improve a bit more in a few ways.

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June 05, 2014, 07:01:07 PM
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Yea you kinda are being one today....because you can't read what I wrote correctly.....they NEED TO WORK ON IT. Yes I agree with that part....And I agree you are acting like a shmuck today. I like you man.....but today you kinda been on one. You like all of us have a right to be pissed off. But take some time to think before you type (this goes for you too AMT). Just saying irrational typing or hitting send to soon never works out. (I wrote "Ride the hore victory" instead of horse earlier which is a funny typo that I edited, but coulda gone a whole other way OR avoided alltogether if I had juts taken the time to think and edit.) Just take a break think carefully and post. We are ALL pissed but we gotta use our heads to think how we can all come out of this in a good spot vs flaming and trolling.

There are alot of questions they really should not answer for a number of reasons and there are relevant questions they SHOULD be answering that they are not. Reality is the legal thing puts them in the crosshairs and they need to be more careful over how they handle things. Not like deleting these posts is gonna make them truly go away anyway.

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June 05, 2014, 07:02:10 PM
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If you guys have to quote Sirminesalot of any of the shills, please remove the names that the puts in his posts, because his sole purpose is to do that for optimization and thats why he writes our names and full company names or abbreviations in every single post.

Thanks.
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June 05, 2014, 07:06:40 PM
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

I intend to coarsen. I want stark contrasts drawn. I want polarization. I will not quietly accept stateism so as not to upset anyone. I am not tolerant of our impending and increasing slavery.
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As a general rule it's not be wise to use anyone's real name on here at all. There is an expectation of privacy with that. Nothing illegal mind you but a general etiquette.....

Once that line has been stepped over it starts the escalation of problems that has occurred. It might not be too late to put the genie back in the bottle here.

I am not convinced everyone hating is a paid shill. Just a couple of people with a very targeted approach based on how they post.

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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

That actually would be worse.....kinda like what BFL does with peoples hardware now...so its a good thing they don't mine with our hardware at least that much we know based on the condition of what we got. 

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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious. None of AMT's customers can mine either.

I intend to coarsen. I want stark contrasts drawn. I want polarization. I will not quietly accept stateism so as not to upset anyone. I am not tolerant of our impending and increasing slavery.
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a "working" miner? is it funny that your customers can't mine either?

I intend to coarsen. I want stark contrasts drawn. I want polarization. I will not quietly accept stateism so as not to upset anyone. I am not tolerant of our impending and increasing slavery.
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June 05, 2014, 07:17:18 PM
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?


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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

How many miners do you have in-house?

I think we need a full accounting of AMT's assets prior to a involuntary bankruptcy.

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I see the miner protection program is still on the site (not that removing it would change anything, since it was there when orders where still coming in)

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we guarantee enough hashing power to meet ROI and then some, when mining SHA-256 coin. If the networks increases to a point where your investment in our technology is no longer profitable, AMT will upgrade your Miner to the next level Miner absolutely free. We want our clientele to succeed and prosper together with.

Miner protection is automatically applied to all purchases from AMT and is valid from the date 09/26/2013. Although in the future, we may add this as an additional paid option during the purchase process. Purchases prior to this update are covered under the Miner protection plan automatically.

How it works:

AMT will receive your order, if the networks hash rate increases to the point where your miner can no longer meet ROI we will upgrade your miner to the next level of AMT miners.
https://advancedminers.com/miner-protection-plan/

So, how does AMT plan to honor this? Ship 4.2TH machines to 1.2TH customers?
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Lol

I love how catty this is getting.

I bet it's been killing clennell not posting on here. I want to know what his lawyers have to say, well and AMT's. 

I'm just wondering how quickly a settlement will be reached, filing was just over two months ago, coming up here on a deadline for a response.

My guess, and it would only be that, is they used the delay to figure out the imet thing to present it to the courts, and licensed the tecnobit design as it a proven one. They show the court they have a miner performing to spec, or you know a viable product.  That should clear the fraud charges but doesn't take care of the neglect and several other charges. The fraud charge would be the one I'd be looking most to beat as I think that could carry more damages if it were to go to trial. Then they would be in a better bargaining position in a settlement negotiation.

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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Neither does AMT is correct. Thank you clenell.

just pointing out the obvious.

It is obvious.

obvious you can't make a working miner?

Craig, as much as you would love us to get on your case, and get us all riled up, we wont.  And it is solely because of you that we have been delayed, had to spend money on lawyers, had to not focus on the business which caused the business to suffer. And when this all said and done, people will use your name as an adjective to describe the worst clients of the industry.  They'll say stuff like "this guy wont shut up, we probably have another lenell on our hands". Once our biggest fan, friend and colleague has turned against us.
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June 05, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
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Sirminesalot - Does not mine a lot.



sad thing is... neither does AMT.

Are you certain about that?  Does AMT have bitcoin miner assets that they are not revealing?  

A total of 60 miners were delivered by IMET to AMT.

Here is a an incomplete list:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463922.0

Which counts to 48 1.2 TH/s miners in the order list.   4 520 GH/s ... equivalent to 2-3 miners.  1 miner donated to Phin.

8 miners not accounted for in the list.  

Out of the 48 + 4 miners,  how many were shipped and working?



Where did you come up with that number, just wondering.
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June 05, 2014, 07:36:35 PM
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I see the miner protection program is still on the site (not that removing it would change anything, since it was there when orders where still coming in)

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we guarantee enough hashing power to meet ROI and then some, when mining SHA-256 coin. If the networks increases to a point where your investment in our technology is no longer profitable, AMT will upgrade your Miner to the next level Miner absolutely free. We want our clientele to succeed and prosper together with.

Miner protection is automatically applied to all purchases from AMT and is valid from the date 09/26/2013. Although in the future, we may add this as an additional paid option during the purchase process. Purchases prior to this update are covered under the Miner protection plan automatically.

How it works:

AMT will receive your order, if the networks hash rate increases to the point where your miner can no longer meet ROI we will upgrade your miner to the next level of AMT miners.
https://advancedminers.com/miner-protection-plan/

So, how does AMT plan to honor this? Ship 4.2TH machines to 1.2TH customers?



See ROI doesn't have to be a positive number. You can have a negative ROI. The o is on not of. THe smoking gun in the MPP section is "the product upgrade will continue to the next AMT product which is profitable."

That is going to be one of those things they'll look at to see if the contract was made in good faith.

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