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April 22, 2014, 06:59:28 AM
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our governments aren't funding space exploration.. and private businesses won't do it either, since it doesn't really provide much for returns on investment. i think there would need to be a channel or tv show that would accompany it, so that it could be monetized somehow.

They are doing exactly that. Mars One is making a reality show out of it.

Also guys, SpaceX will want to do this because they want to get more business. If their ship succeeds for these missions they will have a line of customers a mile long. Think about it...

do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

i don't mean to bitch, but it seems like people in this country are no longer inspired by science, life, art, people, and the mysteries of the cosmos. wasn't it different in the 60's? our media wasn't so inundated with junk/noise... and people actually cared about these things. hell, even in the 80's during the height of carl sagan's popularity.. kids would actually watch this shit and be WOWED by it. today, at the age of 8, you have a bunch of kids with smartphones, tweeting and watching lady gaga wear a meat dress.. that's what "inspires them." we are getting dumber as a people.. how the fuck can that actually happen when we're so much more technologically advanced?

lol, i will stop the rant here.. sorry for derailing this topic.
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April 22, 2014, 01:34:53 PM
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Dude there is really no reason for your attitude. Maybe you should do a little reading before posting flippant remarks.


What's wrong with my attitude? I've only explained to you facts you are refusing to accept, I don't recall myself being disrespectful or insulting in any of my replies. I know my fact, because not only I've done my reading but I understand the technical aspect behind it.

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Mars One has visited major aerospace companies around the world to discuss the requirements, budget and timelines with their engineers and business developers. The current mission plan was composed on the basis of feedback received in these meetings. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/mission/the-technology#sthash.cmEGUC8K.dpuf

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Mars One anticipates using Space X Falcon Heavy, an upgraded version of the Falcon 9, which is in use by Space X currently. The Falcon Heavy is slated to undergo test flights in 2014, granting ample time for fine-tuning prior to the Mars One missions. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/mission/the-technology#sthash.cmEGUC8K.dpuf

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The Mars Transit Vehicle is a compact space station that will carry the astronauts from Earth orbit to Mars. It is comprised of four parts which are docked in Earth orbit: two propellant stages, a Transit Habitat and a Lander. The propellant stages are used to propel the Transit Vehicle from Earth orbit to Mars. The Transit Habitat is the home for the astronauts during their seven month journey. In it, they sleep, train and prepare for their arrival and landing. When they are near Mars, the astronauts enter the Lander which is then disconnected from the Tranisit Habitat. The Transit habitat and the propellant stages are left behind to orbit the Sun. The Lander is the only component that sets foot on Mars, with the astronauts inside. The Transit habitat has a mass of about 20,000 kg. It will carry close to 800 kg of dry food, 3000 liters of water and 700 kg of oxygen on board. No water or Oxygen will be recycled, because the trip lasts only 210 days. Not recycling these components eliminates the need for recycling systems, backups, spare components and reduces power and cooling requirements. The 3000 liters of water is also used for radiation shielding. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/technology/mars-transit-vehicle#sthash.S6yeGDat.dpuf

SpaceX's CEO is a billionaire in his own right as I recall. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll get it done and done well.



I mean seriously you are quoting all these, and you fail to gasp that there is nothing in here a part from Vaporware and dreams? what if they visited space agencies to discuss stuff with scientist? don't you see that in everything you quoted the words that keeps repeating them selfs are anticipate, will probably be this or that...ect (nothing certain, nothing is real, nothing is ready yet, they are doing the study)

The so called Mars Transit vehicle is an imaginary vehicle, it does not exist, it doesn't even have a proper draft design yet, and they are working on it, the whole 500K$ they have is being used for design and design studies, Once this phase done, and they have a proper concept design, with everything included, from risk management to every single problem solution design with real assets then at that time we can talk about partner and partnership.

Also what if SpaceX CEO is a billionaire, it's not his project, and he is not an investor in the project, SpaceX expressed their interest and whilling to help with technical details (it's good marketing and potential commercial opportunity for them if the project succeed)  like many other partner of the project, doesn't mean they invest billions of dollars.
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April 22, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
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What's wrong with my attitude?

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Ok let me put it to you frankly so you understand...

Anyways I'm not going to keep indulging you. You implied that they did not have the means to get to Mars so I pointed out very clearly that they have a plan and a specific spacecraft in mind. One which is being produced by a very strong company.

I'm not going to sit here and debate with you whether they will succeed or not, you obviously aren't interested in having any sort of rational discussion about this you just want to keep shitting on Mars One without any real legitimate reason.

Ten years from now we could show you a video of the first team members to land on Mars and you'll be sitting there foaming at the mouth screaming "THEY FAKED IT, THEY FAKED IT!"
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April 22, 2014, 04:02:14 PM
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What's wrong with my attitude?

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Ok let me put it to you frankly so you understand...

Anyways I'm not going to keep indulging you. You implied that they did not have the means to get to Mars so I pointed out very clearly that they have a plan and a specific spacecraft in mind. One which is being produced by a very strong company.

I'm not going to sit here and debate with you whether they will succeed or not, you obviously aren't interested in having any sort of rational discussion about this you just want to keep shitting on Mars One without any real legitimate reason.

Ten years from now we could show you a video of the first team members to land on Mars and you'll be sitting there foaming at the mouth screaming "THEY FAKED IT, THEY FAKED IT!"

And what's wrong with that? I've explained the same thing 4 times before "simplifying it" (and that's what the sentence you are quoting is all about) there is nothing wrong with what I said there.

I did not apply I affirm : They DO NOT have the means nor the expertise to do it and if you think otherwise you are invited to prove me wrong.
The way they are doing things is the following : They will do a concept study and design while at the same time doing simulations (being it training crew and simulating the Mars environment on earth) Once this phase is done and the concrete study and real concept design are made, these will be proposed to partners,  and from there the project will either progress to reality or will be scraped if it if deemed infeasible or unrealistic, if the project is deemed feasible and partners are willing to put their resources into the project, then you'll see things moving from concept to reality, building stuff will start, ect.

I'm not shitting on Mars One, I'm presenting the reality and the current state of the project with facts that you don't want to accept here and you are avoiding to discuss.

And you are really confusing what I'm saying here, I'm not saying that Mars One will not bring people to Mars please reread my comments before advancing such thing: All I'm saying is that, right now, Mars One is just a study design project right now, no more no less, and once that phase is done, and unless the study and concept designs are deemed serious by the partners that have the resources being it technical or material for such a project and willing to contribute on such basis it will not happen.
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April 22, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
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As I said I'm not going to waste any more effort indulging you.

Moving right along - they are hosting the "Humans 2 Mars" conference right now in Washington DC to discuss manned missions to Mars: http://www.space.com/25587-manned-mars-missions-conference-webcasts.html
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April 22, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
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do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

I think you are bang on.  The moon landing was one of the most watched programs in TV history.

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April 22, 2014, 07:13:44 PM
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do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

I think you are bang on.  The moon landing was one of the most watched programs in TV history.

Vod he was actually arguing that it might NOT be popular because of the cultural changes that have happened since then (ie people are more interested in watching stupid shit than anything of scientific merit now.)

I disagree, I think it would be popular just because it has never been done before. Also, sci-fi stuff is immensely popular nowadays.
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April 22, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
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do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

I think you are bang on.  The moon landing was one of the most watched programs in TV history.

There's some kind of Mars reality show in the works apparently. Not sure how feasible or if it'll actually happen though.

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April 22, 2014, 07:20:16 PM
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There's some kind of Mars reality show in the works apparently. Not sure how feasible or if it'll actually happen though.

I assume you are referring to Mars One? That is what we have been talking about lol.
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April 22, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
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As I said I'm not going to waste any more effort indulging you.

Moving right along - they are hosting the "Humans 2 Mars" conference right now in Washington DC to discuss manned missions to Mars: http://www.space.com/25587-manned-mars-missions-conference-webcasts.html

Of course you won't be wasting any more effort indulging me, since so far you didn't present a single counter argument against the fact I presented, this is not about I can argue better or wining some arguments (it's not like they are distributing some prizes if someone does so) , trust me, I don't really care about that and when I don't know about something I just ask, it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background, and Mars missions is one of the things that fascinate me, and that when I first heard about Mars One a few years ago, I was pretty excited and tried to get the maximum of informations and what I've presented is the current states of thing.
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April 22, 2014, 07:34:37 PM
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do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

I think you are bang on.  The moon landing was one of the most watched programs in TV history.

There's some kind of Mars reality show in the works apparently. Not sure how feasible or if it'll actually happen though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10546779/Mars-mission-selection-to-be-reality-TV-show.html
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April 22, 2014, 07:43:30 PM
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do you think it would be possible if we did have a settlement, and there was a reality-type TV show, that it wouldn't be epically popular? i think the world has gotten so dumb (especially the us govt) that the show wouldn't be a hit to the majority of the world.

I think you are bang on.  The moon landing was one of the most watched programs in TV history.

There's some kind of Mars reality show in the works apparently. Not sure how feasible or if it'll actually happen though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10546779/Mars-mission-selection-to-be-reality-TV-show.html
I think most of the participants haven't full realized that they are going on a one way ticket. Meaning they will stay there for the rest of their lives. For the first two years there will be only 4 people on the base as well. Someone of them is definitely going to go nuts and kill everyone up there...
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April 22, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
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There's some kind of Mars reality show in the works apparently. Not sure how feasible or if it'll actually happen though.

I assume you are referring to Mars One? That is what we have been talking about lol.

Oh yeah, that's it haha.

What's wrong with my attitude?

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Ok let me put it to you frankly so you understand...

Anyways I'm not going to keep indulging you. You implied that they did not have the means to get to Mars so I pointed out very clearly that they have a plan and a specific spacecraft in mind. One which is being produced by a very strong company.

I'm not going to sit here and debate with you whether they will succeed or not, you obviously aren't interested in having any sort of rational discussion

This guy doesn't do rational arguments nor does he know the difference between fact and opinion. See this post and the following ones after it for mindblowing ignorance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147




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April 22, 2014, 08:05:45 PM
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Of course you won't be wasting any more effort indulging me, since so far you didn't present a single counter argument against the fact I presented, this is not about I can argue better or wining some arguments (it's not like they are distributing some prizes if someone does so) , trust me, I don't really care about that and when I don't know about something I just ask, it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background, and Mars missions is one of the things that fascinate me, and that when I first heard about Mars One a few years ago, I was pretty excited and tried to get the maximum of informations and what I've presented is the current states of thing.

Dude, seriously. Whoever taught you grammar should be drawn and quartered...

it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background

tried to get the maximum of informations and what I've presented is the current states of thing.

Please troll elsewhere. Really I doubt that anyone cares about your ranting at this point.
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April 22, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
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Of course you won't be wasting any more effort indulging me, since so far you didn't present a single counter argument against the fact I presented, this is not about I can argue better or wining some arguments (it's not like they are distributing some prizes if someone does so) , trust me, I don't really care about that and when I don't know about something I just ask, it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background, and Mars missions is one of the things that fascinate me, and that when I first heard about Mars One a few years ago, I was pretty excited and tried to get the maximum of informations and what I've presented is the current states of thing.

Dude, seriously. Whoever taught you grammar should be drawn and quartered...

it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background

tried to get the maximum of informations and what I've presented is the current states of thing.

Please troll elsewhere. Really I doubt that anyone cares about your ranting at this point.

I'm really starting to think he is just a troll but it's hard to tell the difference between them and straight-up morons.

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April 22, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
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I think most of the participants haven't full realized that they are going on a one way ticket. Meaning they will stay there for the rest of their lives. For the first two years there will be only 4 people on the base as well. Someone of them is definitely going to go nuts and kill everyone up there...

My main concern about the Mars One mission is just that. I think they may have a real lord of the flies situation once a small handful of people get up there, and start to realize there is no practical way for anyone to restrain them from doing whatever they damn well please. I think a starter colony should be a much larger group to help mitigate this, but then it gets prohibitively expensive...

There are some groups that do "Mars" training by having people live in special facilities in desert/tundra regions and a large part of the rationale behind it is to explore the psychological effects of isolation, being trapped indoors for extended periods of time, etc.
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April 22, 2014, 08:16:51 PM
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I think most of the participants haven't full realized that they are going on a one way ticket. Meaning they will stay there for the rest of their lives. For the first two years there will be only 4 people on the base as well. Someone of them is definitely going to go nuts and kill everyone up there...

My main concern about the Mars One mission is just that. I think they may have a real lord of the flies situation once a small handful of people get up there, and start to realize there is no practical way for anyone to restrain them from doing whatever they damn well please. I think a starter colony should be a much larger group to help mitigate this, but then it gets prohibitively expensive...

There are some groups that do "Mars" training by having people live in special facilities in desert/tundra regions and a large part of the rationale behind it is to explore the psychological effects of isolation, being trapped indoors for extended periods of time, etc.

I'm sure if they don't already realise they're not coming back they will very soon. I also think it wont work. People can go insane quite quickly in space and loose their shit.
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April 22, 2014, 08:20:46 PM
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This is Dr Zubrin plan about Mars, pretty interesting didn't know there was a documentary about it till today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URw9JoZwlQI.

This guy doesn't do rational arguments nor does he know the difference between fact and opinion. See this post and the following ones after it for mindblowing ignorance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511208.msg6285147#msg6285147

The ignorance comes from those that doesn't argue against facts and start insulting others on other threads, and it's pretty clear in which category you are right now

Dude, seriously. Whoever taught you grammar should be drawn and quartered...

So it's about grammar now, not about facts, so this is what your argumentation came to, well that was expected tbh. Rest assured I know my grammar is bad, and I'm working on it, just for reference English is the forth language I speak.

it's just that happen, that I have a scientific background

Please troll elsewhere. Really I doubt that anyone cares about your ranting at this point.
Trolling? I don't like these kind of posts and you don't see me doing this around here but lets put things straight here I have Bachelor degree in Fundamental physics, a Master degree in Mechanical and Design Engineering and a European Masters in Management and Business Strategy, and I dare you in front of everyone here, to bet some or at least a couple of BTCs ,Escrowed of course, if you think this is FUD, I will provided all the necessary proofs to the Escrower, how about it ?
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April 22, 2014, 08:26:18 PM
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Zero chance... wealth continues to funnel to the top...  BTC is the only chance we have of preventing the earth becoming a Rothschild slave planet... We are pretty much there.
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April 22, 2014, 08:27:28 PM
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I'm sure if they don't already realise they're not coming back they will very soon. I also think it wont work. People can go insane quite quickly in space and loose their shit.

While it not Mars, and near the safety of earth, Astronauts stay several months in the International Space Station, and the longest stay on space was done by Polyakov if I'm not mistaking and he stayed on the Mir station for over a year, I also recall the station had a fire accident (not sure if it was during his stay tho)

The one way ticket to Mars is what Mars One planning to do, check out Dr Zubrin plan I posted above
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