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June 15, 2017, 07:09:12 AM
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Hi Guys,

I read the whole shit that you wrote last few days and it really became drama.

Kosmost:

First of all I see you stand strong behind the idea to burry the KARM coin and create a new one - good luck! - this sounds really bad for the community. First you cam and said you want to help the KARM and be the leader - we all are ok but to burn the coin and make a new - this is a brand new story.
Regarding your arguments for the stolen coins - imagine things happen your way - new coin and so on...coin is listed in Bittrex, then the exchange is hacked and stolen and? What again we burn all coins and make a new one Huh

There are tons of stolen coins from cryptsy and mintpal since long time ago. Why do we bother. Also it is highly possible that some of the "Stolen" coins may be lost anyway or swaped for KTN or sold?

I don't think this is really the argument.

I personally don't like the idea because I lost 1+ Billion Karma and same amount Moon coins from cryptsy but what?

I recently bought few hundred millions of Karm in Yobit and I don't like the idea for new coin. Maybe if you offered that few weeks ago It was fine but now it is not fair.

This is my opinion.
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June 15, 2017, 07:18:27 AM
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Hi Guys,

I read the whole shit that you wrote last few days and it really became drama.

Kosmost:

First of all I see you stand strong behind the idea to burry the KARM coin and create a new one - good luck! - this sounds really bad for the community. First you cam and said you want to help the KARM and be the leader - we all are ok but to burn the coin and make a new - this is a brand new story.
Regarding your arguments for the stolen coins - imagine things happen your way - new coin and so on...coin is listed in Bittrex, then the exchange is hacked and stolen and? What again we burn all coins and make a new one Huh

There are tons of stolen coins from cryptsy and mintpal since long time ago. Why do we bother. Also it is highly possible that some of the "Stolen" coins may be lost anyway or swaped for KTN or sold?

I don't think this is really the argument.

I personally don't like the idea because I lost 1+ Billion Karma and same amount Moon coins from cryptsy but what?

I recently bought few hundred millions of Karm in Yobit and I don't like the idea for new coin. Maybe if you offered that few weeks ago It was fine but now it is not fair.

This is my opinion.

Thanks for sharing. Your opinion is appreciated!

(The drama was already there, however. I just uncovered it.)

Actually, with the Ethereum code now those stolen coins could be frozen so that they can't be used.

I'm also in favor of the swap, but know that's probably a bad idea for our future.

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June 15, 2017, 07:24:50 AM
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It really is a shame, I think.

Change of hands, maybe? (No, not me.)

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June 15, 2017, 07:57:11 AM
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Good if Etherium could freeze the stolen coins It is better just to upgrade the current Karm to KARMA and move it to that algorithm. I think we need to find good point on future development and take the actions. It is useless to keep digging in the past. It is what it is.

Let's weigh the pros and cons and if it is positive let's start with the changes.

Kosmost, if you agree that current coin should be somehow swaped, changed or whatever (we all agree the stolen coins should be somehow banned but not to affect all other members that much) let's vote and agree on plan with some compromises from all sides.

Thank you
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June 15, 2017, 08:08:56 AM
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You know, when you think about it the Karma community already did a coin swap when Karma was presumed to be dead (with KTN).

What makes people think another swap would be a wise choice for now? Curious.

My proposal would possibly allow the opportunity to buy the new Karma very cheaply (because you'll see it posted here before the wider crypto community finds out about it), helping them to recover whatever losses they had with Karma. It will open with a market cap of about $300,000. The average market cap on Ethereum is $70m. Even if it only rises to $700,000 cap, you've more than doubled your speculative investment.

Don't think I want to forget about our community. Of course not. I'm actually proposing something that makes sense for the future of Karma, and the health of our economy (which is non-existant)

How much do you think you would make with a swap, when billions of coins are likely waiting to be dumped for months?

You do realize that would kill any momentum or buzz around the revived Karma, right? (Provided people can get over the fact that billions of bad coins may have also been swapped.)

There's no need to be attached to what somewhat worked in the past (X11 or whatever). It is irrational. The future is calling, and we have a chance to do something awesome rather than just sit around at talk about what we shouldn't do.

Buy from Who? From you? WHY IN THE HELL SHOULD WE BUY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! WE OWN KARMA COINS AND NOW YOU WILL SCAM PEOPLE TO ASK FOR MONEY? WTF!!!! Who is talking about losses they had with KARMA. If you fucking focus on KARMA then we don't need to talk about loses in the first place.

If you want to be useful then try to get KARMA on BlueTrade, on cryptopia, on nova exchange, on Bittrex, on Poloniex...


I will launch a new coin KARMA Classic and you guys will PAY ME and I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR EXISTING KARMA COINS, deal? GIVE ME 10 BTC and I WILL RUNAWAY WITH 10 BTC....


That is your fucking proposal... unbelievable...


Edit: Sorry $300,000 is 120 BTC... great idea, I will launch KARMA Classic... give me 120 BTC (as you can double your money).... deal?

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June 15, 2017, 09:38:23 AM
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by the way, how many individual users swapped their coins for KTN? You mentioned 9,000 a few times but there are only 228 incoming transactions https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/address.dws?1024695.htm

from what I have seen, most of those transactions came from the largest wallet Karma has (which is one of the STOLEN exchange wallets). And the majority of KTN tokens are owned by the person who stole the exchange wallet. From what it looks like, greater than 90% of KTN.

How many different people are there invested in KTN? (Something to consider if a KTN swap is offered)

How do you arrive with those words? How will you make me trust you if this early on the discussion you are using such methods?

"what greater than 90% of KTN held by the stolen KARMA wallet holder" are you saying??


(source: https://xchain.io/asset/KARMATOKEN, June 15, 2017)


Even the KTN main wallet don't have 90%. The highest KTN aside from the main wallet is also visible. Why kosmost, why do you say that


Isn't the first address (the one with 61% of all coins) the one you are managing?
I.e., the ones that were not used in the KARMA -> KTN swap?

This makes the second largest address the address with most coins that belongs to someone that traded Karma -> KTN?
In this case the largest single trade involved trading close to 2 billion Karma, not 11 billion nor 20 billion.
I'm sure kosmost and others had at some point close to that, and they are not exchanges...
So, what is the problem here with KTN?
I see no problem.

And why do you keep saying there are 9,000 KTN "holders"?
Aren't most of those addresses with KTN the result of an airdrop?
So how can you be sure there are not multiple addresses belonging to the same person?

Maybe there are 1,000 or 9,000 KTN holders... no one knows.. but saying there are over 9,000 holders is wrong.

Considering all this, if we not count with the first address (61% of all coins), as those coins weren't even the result of a Karma -> KTN swap, I believe that allowing the other addresses to send coins to swap to a new Karma coin (or Good Coin... I also like the name) would not pose any problem.



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June 15, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
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Well, we can't keep saying the word "community" and never ask people what they want to do, ask people what they think, etc.

I rarely hear that kind of thing from our long-engaged members.

If we only say what WE like or prefer, that's not community at all. We need to do a poll, take a vote, or whatever. Not just talk about community.

It's interesting that the person who wants to lead things here (me) is the only one pushing for democratic procedures. (And the only one willing to take action, at this point.)

Who will start a poll?


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bitwho, I don't know where did you get the idea that I "went around and asked a few exchanges to drop Karma X11", you will need a proof to say that, a written request coming from me would be nice to prove what you so far is claiming.

In fact when Cryptopia (the only one I knew that did drop KARMA X11 while we were doing the swap) did that, we (me and Alex was baffled), It is a chance for them to have a live KARMA market since some may want to buy KARMA (As I did) to exchange for KTN.

I personally don't have any contact with any exchanges. KTN was listed in MERCATOX due to the effort of a KTN holder.

So it's your false accusation that is really UNNECESSARY.

-east


ah you make a good point. i should have not called you out on that. i just realized my mistake that it could have been anyone.  one exchange told me some one asked to do that.

BTW, When do you plan to complete the return of my KARMA from mintpal??? I have been messaging you about it but you always ignore it. Why is that???
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Dude. check you wallet? i have returned your %~92.3 long time ago. Check even telegram msg where i posted it again when you asked me months back

I was hoping you would act to complete the return of those Billions of KARMA or announce how the community can use it.... do you have any other plans with them?


the plan was return who ever claims them and burn the rest. What are your plans with the billion of karma coin that were swapped?
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June 15, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
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@Bitwho - how much do you think a (very) good dev would want for fixing up our wallet, etc., and making it play nice?

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BTW When do you plan to complete the return of my KARMA from mintpal BTW?? I have been messaging you about it but you always ignore it. Why is that???

-east

Because it's a secret. And the reason why it's a secret is... another secret.

You are such an instigator its hilarious. I don't think you do it on purpose , but you can't help yourself. You congratulate and insult some one at the same time. 

I can trust you because you returned 10Billion coins. haha, i have returned way more that those 10B coins. so you should trust me more now, right? same logic.

Past is past. You are very VERBaOSE. I won't hold it against you, but i would like to see some real action with real plans before i start updating the thread

im sorry but i can't do it knowing that people might hurt burn them self in the trades.

Yes you have great influence and its funny to see the market react so much. even the trading groups i notice a random hype of your return

A lot of people own karma coins. you can get the momentum back. but you gotta chillax and accept how things are. Not start stirring the pot and blaming any one or point fingers.




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June 15, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
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BTW When do you plan to complete the return of my KARMA from mintpal BTW?? I have been messaging you about it but you always ignore it. Why is that???

-east

Because it's a secret. And the reason why it's a secret is... another secret.

You are such an instigator its hilarious. I don't think you do it on purpose , but you can't help yourself. You congratulate and insult some one at the same time.  

I can trust you because you returned 10Billion coins. haha, i have returned way more that those 10B coins. so you should trust me more now, right? same logic.

Past is past. You are very VERBaOSE. I won't hold it against you, but i would like to see some real action with real plans before i start updating the thread

im sorry but i can't do it knowing that people might hurt burn them self in the trades.

Yes you have great influence and its funny to see the market react so much. even the trading groups i notice a random hype of your return

A lot of people own karma coins. you can get the momentum back. but you gotta chillax and accept how things are. Not start stirring the pot and blaming any one or point fingers.


So, what's the wallet address again?

Everyone who is reading this thread can see how you are avoiding a very simple question that is important for the Karma community. It looks suspicious to more than a few people.

In a way, I'm trying to help. But more importantly, I am asking for the Karma community as a whole.

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BTW When do you plan to complete the return of my KARMA from mintpal BTW?? I have been messaging you about it but you always ignore it. Why is that???

-east

Because it's a secret. And the reason why it's a secret is... another secret.

You are such an instigator its hilarious. I don't think you do it on purpose , but you can't help yourself. You congratulate and insult some one at the same time. 

I can trust you because you returned 10Billion coins. haha, i have returned way more that those 10B coins. so you should trust me more now, right? same logic.

Past is past. You are very VERBaOSE. I won't hold it against you, but i would like to see some real action with real plans before i start updating the thread

im sorry but i can't do it knowing that people might hurt burn them self in the trades.

Yes you have great influence and its funny to see the market react so much. even the trading groups i notice a random hype of your return

A lot of people own karma coins. you can get the momentum back. but you gotta chillax and accept how things are. Not start stirring the pot and blaming any one or point fingers.


So, what's the wallet address again?

Everyone who is reading this thread can see how you are avoiding a very simple question that is important for the Karma community. It looks suspicious to more than a few people.

haha funny how you act like you speak for community. I dont know, maybe most of them are satisfied because they got most of their coins back already? maybe its been years and they already know the plan. return , burn, share the info?

The blockchain is open. You will be able to traced back all the move and see no Shenanigans have happened.

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June 15, 2017, 04:05:22 PM
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haha funny how you act like you speak for community. I dont know, maybe most of them are satisfied because they got most of their coins back already? maybe its been years and they already know the plan. return , burn, share the info?

The blockchain is open. You will be able to traced back all the move and see no Shenanigans have happened.

Everything but the address.

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just fyi.

i went around again recently to remind users to collect their ~%2.3. In hopes they come back for the rest and also realize that there is some action going here.

i would suggest you bust out your plans if you want to rivive this and impress them. Not bury this threads with unnecessary drama.
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haha funny how you act like you speak for community. I dont know, maybe most of them are satisfied because they got most of their coins back already? maybe its been years and they already know the plan. return , burn, share the info?

The blockchain is open. You will be able to traced back all the move and see no Shenanigans have happened.

Everything but the address.

if it would ease your mind. its addresses : )

edit: further more. i don't think any of them are on top 20 rich list. So if you think i am doing something based on those address. it ain't mintpal wallet. hope that eases you mind for a bit

if any of this coins move, its because some one requesting their coins.
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June 15, 2017, 04:22:41 PM
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Nevermind.

I can see the whole thing is a secret.

But without any transparency for the Karma community...

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June 15, 2017, 04:36:37 PM
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Nevermind.

I can see the whole thing is a secret.

Fact is that stolen and scammed Bitcoins and other cryptos are gone and there is almost never anything that changes that fact.  You can chase and trace and accuse and do this and that and unless it is big enough to fully get law enforcement involved then all the rest is just a waste of your time.



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June 15, 2017, 04:42:26 PM
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Nevermind.

I can see the whole thing is a secret.

Fact is that stolen and scammed Bitcoins and other cryptos are gone and there is almost never anything that changes that fact.  You can chase and trace and accuse and do this and that and unless it is big enough to fully get law enforcement involved then all the rest is just a waste of your time.

I think the principal here is the lack of transparency for someone who is moderating the thread and holds the keys to Karma's future. It's disrespectful.

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Alright, lets start with pro's and con's of creating a new coin, or keeping Karma.
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