[ANN][KARM] Karma / ₭ / X11

[bitwho]

"Every word Kosmost has said is rational and well thought out. No one has answered his questions with evidence of scams etc etc:

many have asked for evidence for the sell... kosmost just turns the table. if he cant answer us why should we answer to him?

Innocent until proven guilty. He said he did not sell coins before the LLC announcement and he has constantly said he still owns his coins. There is no evidence to the contrary. If you asked me if I sold the coins and then I said no and told you I still own all my coins I am logically just as likely as Kosmost to be lying.

There were 3 hypes based on lill.com sale offer. One pumped KARM to 380 Litoshi, second to 240 from 170, third to 150 from 110,  All pumps were based on fake news. No proof, nothing. I asked Kosmost many times to prove he got thay offer. He rejected to do it. He is suspicious of scaming people with fake news, manipulating market price on fake news and dumping on them on pumps especially on 31th of August. There was insider dumping, someone knew that deal was not gonna happen 1 day before. He dumped to 11 litooshi, such dump at that low price can happen only if dumper is 100% it is game ower. The dumper knew all facts. There was only one person who knew that fact, and that person is Kosmost. Sorry but Kosmost has never shown anything. There was 17billion KARM volume bought during 2 weeks before KarmaShares  were announced at 8-15 litoshi price. That one who bought at that price was selling that cheap KARM at 20-60 litoshi during next weeks. And the very same guy was dumping on us all the time especially on 31th of August.  Very simple calculation show that there were 50-100 BTC earned on that cool organized scam. Kosmost does not need to steal 8,5 bilion KARM from karmashares, they would be worth nothing after that steal. He just need to quit this scam without real life consequencies.

i don't want to start the who circle jerking but can you back these accusations with facts?

is there any data you can come up with. charts to show this behavior ?  im sure as you provide more info other might remember other stuff. lets start this instigation!

I am genuinely interested to find more about this.
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not so interested to see you accuse kosmost or anyone until you gave some proof to back them

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[toeshe]

Such is life. Sometimes you get what you want, other times you get... a learning experience. I think we've all learned at least several things from this little debacle.

hmm i missed it thought i was teaching hehe my wrong

[toeshe]

bitwho can you claim facts?are you a team member or claiming out of loop team member? can you back up facts kos most is not a fibber? you are brain washed .you should give us facts dont ask for facts? come on think bro!!!

[bitwho]

actually i finally see Kosmost view now.

I was recently furious that Kosmost would allow to do all this. Close the LLC so close the dumping. Knowing perfectly well it will create additional dumping.

Now i see that Komost is better fit to be the leader then any of us or people who have posted here!

The reason why he says "no price talk" because he literally doesn't give a damn about the traders. I know he mentioned this to us few times but it is now obvious.

I think he is the perfect kind of leader for this coin. in this part of the world of cryptocoin he is the perfect solution. he doesn't give a damn. he wants to bring karma to mainstream people and he will do anything to do it. Not worrying about anyone trading in his methods. He is perfect. all the other coin leaders are pressured to come and comment why they are doing what. Most of the coin are chained to the trading market. they look at the trading market to judge a coin success.

It all makes sense now. it is either all the way in or nothing. Buy the amount of coins you are comfortable with, close you wallet. bury it to the ground. Come back online and help karma go mainstream. If you choose to day trade on his news you will do it at your own risk. and you will get burned as he will do any thing to make karma %100 legal and regulated.

I mean truly the coin is not dead. Only we are mad that our investment lost value. But the truth his, when we allowed him to lead we ignored his warnings that he does actions and doesn't care about price.

this is how it has been so far :

step 1
Kosmost : Okay lets do this "_plan_"
Investors: run to trade on his plans
community : .....*crickets*.......
team members: hey man, great plan. i can tip people while you do that!

step 2
Kosmost : uh guys.. any one wants to help do this? "_plan_"
Investors: im sure kosmost will deliver himself, *keep trading*
community : .....*crickets*.......
team members: hey man, great plan. i can tip people while you do that!

step 3
Kosmost : welp, i'm scrapping this. no one stepped up to help
Investors: scam!!! effing scam!!
community : inside trading!!! ----- pumps and dump!!------aww nice effort Kosmost!
team members: why are they calling kosmost scammer when no one stepped in?



then we spend 1-2 days circle jerking around because either we got hurt from trading on that plan or because no one helped him ...



repeat this cycle for months......



holy molly. .. it all makes sense now.


i am all %100 kosmot!!!

like him or not. i think he is the best person for a coin. Emotionless of day traders. The ultimate leader!

ps: i swear i am not on drugs.

as a disclaimer. i had an argument with kosmost two weeks back and we haven't spoken since.(if you had noticed. he hasnt answered to my post. maybe once. being a general question)  i was angry at him before it was cool

[toeshe]

right and he can buy 2 cars a day


unreal scammers

[bitwho]

right and he can buy 2 cars a day


unreal scammers

actually ,

if you were here from the get go and when he was drilled with question at the first day that he lunched our karmashareLLC , he gave away his name that with some simple googling proved every single credit he said about himself.

yes. he quite possible can afford 2 cars a day. but he doesn't buy two cars a day. he invest the money to small business and turns them into successful one. at least that's what the news tell about him!

[toeshe]

i look forword to a new team .kosmost bowed  out

[toeshe]

yes he told me he makes 12mil a yr to

[toeshe]

then he said less is more? i dont get that part. i took it as immature? dont know

[toeshe]

i reveal myself at a later date
as for now

[pdogg147]

jesus what a blood bath.

I am not mad at kosmost for shutting down the LLC the way he did. I am mad because he did it so close to the previous dump.

All the guy did was try to give it a shot. the damage is done now. The LLC is off.



I want karma to succeed more then i am said that my coins lost value. my coin have increased in value and have decreased in value in these past 6 months. I never blamed him.

If you all want kosmost to stay then voice your opinion soon before the rest of the people drive him away.

It was the same stressful behavior that reside for him to wanting to remove POC.

As it was clear from the get go. Everything would had to be %100 legal and %100 regulated. Mainly the reason we did not seek features like Annon or casino.dice games , lotteries etc.



I have had more conversation with him then anyone here and i never suspected him of trying to scam us. The only suspicious i had with him was how much he was spending on a whimp for karma services. Both time and $$.  Being that he said he did not own a lot of karmashareLLC, i always wondered why he was putting this effort. the only rational reason i could come up with at that time it was that he was doing all this is because he was bored and took Karma as an social experiment. fearing that as a rich person (well off), he would soon enough get bored and walk away.

But those thoughts started faiding away as everyday he kept coming back and doing more stuff. days become months and he was still here. trying to give all of us task to do. trying to organize us.


Everything was fine. Up until we saw the fiasco with SEC going after the dicegame IPO and arresting the founder. With news that SEC will start inspecting more IPOs and other offerings in.

Ever since then it has been pressuring times for kosmost. Soon enough people started talking about POC. Will POC be part of this? is POC worth it?

Behind the curtains, between talks with group members, i was one of them who told them to put POC and the share-explorer on hold. Why waste time and resources with the share explorer when we have no dividends to pay our karmanians.. We still aren't using karma for anything. lets focus on giving karma a reason to be used and see how to capitalize that. Then, when we are coming close to being able to collect revenue, we offer bounties to good devs and set these services up. At the same time i told them once having revenue we would be able to also pay for lawyers so we can reward the POC holders!


I could sense the worry of kosmost in our chats but he continued to work with us. I guess my speech of hiring legal help with the LLC coins comforted him enough to keep movign forward. . I am pretty sure he started spending some time privately looking it up, regardless.

Then out of the blue , Lill.com has had an offering! This is one of the things i could never understand why Kosmost did it. Why announce it when you would not provide any proof! (after he went public with it) I could tell from his chat comments that this was something he was proud! i still do not understand why he went public with it. I wished he never did. I wished we would never know all this. because i know how harsh this community is here.You dont release "possible" news.  Also people will try to sell on news. I always knew deep down inside he would never sell, but i had no say at all on what he would choose. The team never knew anything more then what he posted on the public. All we could see was his excitement and sense of profoundness. the team all learned what happened in those meeting the same way you all did.

I wish that offer never was released. I think kosmost thought he would be welcomed with happy applauds. Instead he got torn and chewed by angry investors. That is the problem i have with him. He sees karma as an end result and publicly states stuff he wants to do about it. And i would sit there and argue with him that people are going to use this news to trade on and they will be sour when they see that this will not be a short task but a long journey. I would irritate him, because to him its not about trading karma. He saw the bigger pictures. While he was right, and always been right,i couldn't stop bothering him and question his action. i was always worried that people miss intrepid his words. "This could have been handled better" has been one of the phrases i hunted him mostly.

He was mostly right to not care how investors took his moves , he needed to do things and tried to be as open to the public as possible. The problem is that people always misinterpret him. Kosmot has a way with words that people get enchanted. I mean it at one time it felt like the moment kosmost made a post , there were 5 Btc buy volume put on trade. 

But the truth his people started to believe in him more then they needed to believe in karma. Soon enough you could tell that people were investing in kosmost and not so much in karma. At the same time, believing in him so much no one cared to answer to his request for work. People saw him being a successful leader for karma and thought some one else will help him.

While i think he got tired of asking people i still knew he would be here for karma. But when the brutal accusation started all over again( first with POC , then with august 31 dumping) i feared it would be too much.

He has never been too kind of threats and he never liked to be called names . I know that because i would lose my patience and result to such comments. I feared the community would break him down. I knew that he acceptance of communication would be broken down.

I have seen too many coin community result to trolls and angry investors to push the leaders away.

yes this is kosmost! he doesn't like swearing. I know most of you find it emasculating feature in this "harsh' side of the world. But there is no need to be shocked



Please , lets all come together and cut this drama short and move on.

if you want kosmost to stay then post and let him know.

Truth is that he always tried to be clear with what he was doing (excpet lill.com, that is a mystery)

I agree with a lot of this.  I was (and still am) a little upset with the way this was handled but after reading Kosmost's explanations I understand a little better where he is coming from.

[pdogg147]

then he said less is more? i dont get that part. i took it as immature? dont know

I think he meant the lesson was for everyone including himself.

[toeshe]

LINE UP FOLKS FREE BLINDERS I SAID FREE LINE UP

[toeshe]

I think he meant the lesson was for everyone including himself.


NO HE DOES ZERO WRONG  HAS ACTIONS ARE BECAUSE OF OTHERS

[pdogg147]

I JUST HOPE HIS BOYFRIEND FORGIVES HIM

I'm feeding the trolls, but what have you done for Karma?  And since you are talkng about immature comments, I believe you comments are a bit immature.

[toeshe]

you first .. what is karma ? to cheat? or to lie tell me what have you done for KARMA?

[pdogg147]

you first .. what is karma ? to cheat? or to lie tell me what have you done for KARMA?

You are the one trolling here so I won't answer your question that you answered my question with.  But what I have done was not enough.

[toeshe]

i thought so how does the kos most say it you are unworthly for a answer

[toeshe]

i will spend @ 500 kosmost will fail .i will support new people

[pdogg147]

i thought so how does the kos most say it you are unworthly for a answer

Guess you missed the point and you didn't have an answer so...