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April 27, 2014, 04:24:26 PM
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Edit: It seems several indicated I have mistaken short trading etc.  Nevertheless, I will lock this thread because of the misunderstanding I wrote about in the message below.  
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Hello, I am relatively new to bitcoin.  I first visited bitstamp when the price was 1000+ (Late November).

I made this post for the flood of new accounts (which I assume mostly new members, of course some trolls but lets assume these new accounts are new members)

Now, you might be worried about the current bitcoin situation because of all the China FUD, the negative comments people say (that bitcoin is tanking).  You also may just have all these mixed notions of bitcoin.  I say do not worry because this is what stopped me from investing when it hit 500 (after the drop from 1000) = the biggest mistake I have made.

I want to help you guys out with some advice (I learned the hard way)

My advice is to hold long term and not be greedy (like I was) Do not put all your funds into an exchange just to short trade (buy like 6 btc at 500 and try to sell at 510 repeatedly, unless you can take the risk of being forced to buy in at a higher price if there is a rally or something.

Now let me explain why.  First (I am speaking to mainly the noobs) when I got into bitcoin, I only wanted to short trade on bitstamp.  This is because at the time, it swung 50-100 dollars a day.  Now, personally, I do not short trade and I only recommend short trading for experienced members

Because, for example, lets say you buy 6 bitcoins at 500.  You then deposit it into bitstamp (and immediately sell) and lets say it goes up to 510 and continues to go up and you are forced to buy at 550 or something.  Then this is how you lose money.

But I know that a noob could be successful at short trading, but I would not recommend this unless you have been involved long enough to spot when it goes down etc  If you do want to short trade, buy when there is no activity (in the a.m) and sell in the p.m and repeat.  Use bitfines to short trade (but what videos on youtube about bitfinex because there is a lot)

For the noobs, if you want to risk it, Lets say you do what I said above, but with only 1 bitcoin this way you can make a small income (20-40+ dollars a day) that adds up to a few hundred a month to buy whatever you want.
Do this until you can depost 2-3+ bitcoin
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Now, I mentioned I think holding is best, because just look at the trend timeline on stamp.  It took about 2+ years for it to go from like 10 to 200+ (april 2013)   Then it took like 7-8 months to go to 1000+.  If you believe in a trend, we could see a rally by July-August (but this is just my natural bull(shit  Grin) speaking.

One more very important thing I know you may go on ebay or bitcointalk auctions or good and be tempted to buy those cool looking coins (from various brand), you may be tempted to buy mining equipment, you may want to put all your money on exchanges.  My advice is not to really do any of these things.  The famous coins that hold btc are a good buy if you want to collect, but they seem to be overpriced, hard to take out, unless you want to rip the hologram off and ruin the cool looking coins value.  For example, if you buy a 10 btc xxbrand coin  Grin for 2k extra (meaning it hold 10 btc which is worth 5k (ish now, lets just say) and you paid an extra 2-4k just for the coin.  That extra 2-4k or 4-8btc is potentially worth so many thousands in the future.  Just save in cryptos to be honest (hold).

I would say avoid exchanges to keep large sums of btc (use for short trading) just to make sure your investment is safe.  Do not buy mining equipment unless you have like 100k-1 million or something because the difficulty goes up like a son of a bitch and it really is not worth it unless you have vast resources.

In conclusion, I welcome all the new accounts that I see and I suggest you all hold  Feel free to message me for any advice if you are about to make a decision or something and you need advice from someone who has learned the hard way about various things.  
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The only way to make money on BTC right now is to short the living daylight out of it and you know it.
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Noob Speculation Thread (My advice is to hold long term and do not short trade)

This doesn't sound like noob advice to me.
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April 27, 2014, 05:46:23 PM
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Hello, I am relatively new to bitcoin.  I first visited bitstamp when the price was 1000+ (Late November).

I made this post for the flood of new accounts (which I assume mostly new members, of course some trolls but lets assume these new accounts are new members)

Now, you might be worried about the current bitcoin situation because of all the China FUD, the negative comments people say (that bitcoin is tanking).  You also may just have all these mixed notions of bitcoin.  I say do not worry because this is what stopped me from investing when it hit 500 (after the drop from 1000) = the biggest mistake I have made.

I want to help you guys out with some advice (I learned the hard way)

My advice is to hold long term and not be greedy (like I was) Do not put all your funds into an exchange just to short trade (buy like 6 btc at 500 and try to sell at 510 repeatedly, unless you can take the risk of being forced to buy in at a higher price if there is a rally or something.

Now let me explain why.  First (I am speaking to mainly the noobs) when I got into bitcoin, I only wanted to short trade on bitstamp.  This is because at the time, it swung 50-100 dollars a day.  Now, personally, I do not short trade and I only recommend short trading for experienced members

Because, for example, lets say you buy 6 bitcoins at 500.  You then deposit it into bitstamp (and immediately sell) and lets say it goes up to 510 and continues to go up and you are forced to buy at 550 or something.  Then this is how you lose money.

But I know that a noob could be successful at short trading, but I would not recommend this unless you have been involved long enough to spot when it goes down etc  If you do want to short trade, buy when there is no activity (in the a.m) and sell in the p.m and repeat.  Use bitfines to short trade (but what videos on youtube about bitfinex because there is a lot)

For the noobs, if you want to risk it, Lets say you do what I said above, but with only 1 bitcoin this way you can make a small income (20-40+ dollars a day) that adds up to a few hundred a month to buy whatever you want.
Do this until you can depost 2-3+ bitcoin
-----------------------------------
Now, I mentioned I think holding is best, because just look at the trend timeline on stamp.  It took about 2+ years for it to go from like 10 to 200+ (april 2013)   Then it took like 7-8 months to go to 1000+.  If you believe in a trend, we could see a rally by July-August (but this is just my natural bull(shit  Grin) speaking.

One more very important thing I know you may go on ebay or bitcointalk auctions or good and be tempted to buy those cool looking coins (from various brand), you may be tempted to buy mining equipment, you may want to put all your money on exchanges.  My advice is not to really do any of these things.  The famous coins that hold btc are a good buy if you want to collect, but they seem to be overpriced, hard to take out, unless you want to rip the hologram off and ruin the cool looking coins value.  For example, if you buy a 10 btc xxbrand coin  Grin for 2k extra (meaning it hold 10 btc which is worth 5k (ish now, lets just say) and you paid an extra 2-4k just for the coin.  That extra 2-4k or 4-8btc is potentially worth so many thousands in the future.  Just save in cryptos to be honest (hold).

I would say avoid exchanges to keep large sums of btc (use for short trading) just to make sure your investment is safe.  Do not buy mining equipment unless you have like 100k-1 million or something because the difficulty goes up like a son of a bitch and it really is not worth it unless you have vast resources.

In conclusion, I welcome all the new accounts that I see and I suggest you all hold  Feel free to message me for any advice if you are about to make a decision or something and you need advice from someone who has learned the hard way about various things.  

Give up. You cant talk up the price of bitcoin. If anybody is stupid and are buiyng from your advice then you are not the only one that is crazy.

China have banned the bitcoin because they want to promote their own paying metod. Its 100% sure.

What is not sure is how much it will go down before it will rise again. There are big players that can manipulate the value in either way.
You are a to small player to have any influence on the bitcoin price.
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April 27, 2014, 05:54:39 PM
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Hello, I am relatively new to bitcoin.  I first visited bitstamp when the price was 1000+ (Late November).

I made this post for the flood of new accounts (which I assume mostly new members, of course some trolls but lets assume these new accounts are new members)

Now, you might be worried about the current bitcoin situation because of all the China FUD, the negative comments people say (that bitcoin is tanking).  You also may just have all these mixed notions of bitcoin.  I say do not worry because this is what stopped me from investing when it hit 500 (after the drop from 1000) = the biggest mistake I have made.

I want to help you guys out with some advice (I learned the hard way)

My advice is to hold long term and not be greedy (like I was) Do not put all your funds into an exchange just to short trade (buy like 6 btc at 500 and try to sell at 510 repeatedly, unless you can take the risk of being forced to buy in at a higher price if there is a rally or something.

Now let me explain why.  First (I am speaking to mainly the noobs) when I got into bitcoin, I only wanted to short trade on bitstamp.  This is because at the time, it swung 50-100 dollars a day.  Now, personally, I do not short trade and I only recommend short trading for experienced members

Because, for example, lets say you buy 6 bitcoins at 500.  You then deposit it into bitstamp (and immediately sell) and lets say it goes up to 510 and continues to go up and you are forced to buy at 550 or something.  Then this is how you lose money.

But I know that a noob could be successful at short trading, but I would not recommend this unless you have been involved long enough to spot when it goes down etc  If you do want to short trade, buy when there is no activity (in the a.m) and sell in the p.m and repeat.  Use bitfines to short trade (but what videos on youtube about bitfinex because there is a lot)

For the noobs, if you want to risk it, Lets say you do what I said above, but with only 1 bitcoin this way you can make a small income (20-40+ dollars a day) that adds up to a few hundred a month to buy whatever you want.
Do this until you can depost 2-3+ bitcoin
-----------------------------------
Now, I mentioned I think holding is best, because just look at the trend timeline on stamp.  It took about 2+ years for it to go from like 10 to 200+ (april 2013)   Then it took like 7-8 months to go to 1000+.  If you believe in a trend, we could see a rally by July-August (but this is just my natural bull(shit  Grin) speaking.

One more very important thing I know you may go on ebay or bitcointalk auctions or good and be tempted to buy those cool looking coins (from various brand), you may be tempted to buy mining equipment, you may want to put all your money on exchanges.  My advice is not to really do any of these things.  The famous coins that hold btc are a good buy if you want to collect, but they seem to be overpriced, hard to take out, unless you want to rip the hologram off and ruin the cool looking coins value.  For example, if you buy a 10 btc xxbrand coin  Grin for 2k extra (meaning it hold 10 btc which is worth 5k (ish now, lets just say) and you paid an extra 2-4k just for the coin.  That extra 2-4k or 4-8btc is potentially worth so many thousands in the future.  Just save in cryptos to be honest (hold).

I would say avoid exchanges to keep large sums of btc (use for short trading) just to make sure your investment is safe.  Do not buy mining equipment unless you have like 100k-1 million or something because the difficulty goes up like a son of a bitch and it really is not worth it unless you have vast resources.

In conclusion, I welcome all the new accounts that I see and I suggest you all hold  Feel free to message me for any advice if you are about to make a decision or something and you need advice from someone who has learned the hard way about various things.  

Give up. You cant talk up the price of bitcoin. If anybody is stupid and are buiyng from your advice then you are not the only one that is crazy.

China have banned the bitcoin because they want to promote their own paying metod. Its 100% sure.

What is not sure is how much it will go down before it will rise again. There are big players that can manipulate the value in either way.
You are a to small player to have any influence on the bitcoin price.

I am not trying to talk up the price.  I am simply saying for new players, I think it is better for them to hold long term.  I advise them not to get involved in things they don't yet fully understand (like short trading - right away unless like 1 btc to get a few dollars profit to start off with).  I also advise them not to buy miners etc.

I am sorry you feel that I am trying to manipulate the price, especially when this site does not have a large percentage of bitcoin buyers/seller (I think less than 50k - just a guest)

I also said that I am not a short trader etc.
Was just trying to give advice that (in the long run) its best to hold rather than (short trade).
I just felt that I would have liked to have someone give me this kind of advice when I first heard of btc (not to just want to short trade right away for a quick profit.
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April 27, 2014, 06:18:20 PM
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Bitcoin implodes, falls more than 90 percent from June peak
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by Timothy B. Lee - Oct 18 2011, 12:45pm EST

90% decline from ATH has happened before.  If history were to repeat, that would mean we'd be seeing prices in the 100-150 range before another potential bull run.  An active trader could conceivably multiply their stash by 2-4x and we could still go to the moon even after what would appear to be a devastating crash (people think 440 is bad).  As a noob hodler, I'm not confident enough in this to sell now based on this though.

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April 27, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
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I am under the strong impression that you don't actually understand what 'short' trading is. It is not possible to short Bitcoin on Bitstamp.

'Shorting' isn't entering and exiting trade within 'short' time periods. Shorting is taking margin to sell Bitcoin that you don't have in the anticipation of buying that Bitcoin back at a lower price. I wouldn't recommend shorting to 'n00bs' or leverage of any kind. Even if you think you have proven to yourself a good ability for knowing which way the wind is blowing and reading the charts correctly, gambling with leverage opens up a whole psychological can of worms that not every personality type can deal with very well, not to mention 'gambling' being the most addictive behaviour known to man, that doesn't involve the intake of some kind of chemical stimulant.

My advice to n00bs coming to Bitcoin now is don't buy Bitcoin right now. 1 day MACD is about to cross to the downside and with the manipulated short squeezing pump up to $540 aside, there is absolutely not enough interest in Bitcoin at these prices, to sustain these prices. Bitcoin is going to $200 range. I would recommend an upper $200 buy-in order and even if Bitcoin drops a whole lot further than this, there will always be an opportunity for the n00b investor to break even if he enters at a $260-$300 range. Buy-in now at $450 and by the end of next week, you may never see the $450 Bitcoin again for a very long time. Perhaps such a long time that your tolerance for loss will break and you will cash out taking a substantial hair cut.

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April 27, 2014, 08:36:20 PM
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But I know that a noob could be successful at short trading, but I would not recommend this unless you have been involved long enough to spot when it goes down etc  If you do want to short trade, buy when there is no activity (in the a.m) and sell in the p.m and repeat.  Use bitfines to short trade (but what videos on youtube about bitfinex because there is a lot)

Do you even know what a short trade is? Because you do not buy BTC to initiate a short trade.
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April 27, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
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But I know that a noob could be successful at short trading, but I would not recommend this unless you have been involved long enough to spot when it goes down etc  If you do want to short trade, buy when there is no activity (in the a.m) and sell in the p.m and repeat.  Use bitfines to short trade (but what videos on youtube about bitfinex because there is a lot)

Do you even know what a short trade is? Because you do not buy BTC to initiate a short trade.

Huh? That is how you do it on BTC.SX
I guess technically you are selling (leveraged at 10:1), but you have to buy BTC and send them to BTC.SX to start.
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