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April 24, 2014, 12:27:40 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.0

I found this. What do you think?

https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 -MaidSafe's Address
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1BH8FS6Yd9WvPZ1LDDWNpqXdzX8Q3freL9
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KGA7TLtUwjZuM5fyyYwGXfviPJdVCc8rY
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC Mtgox Coins



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April 24, 2014, 12:32:09 PM
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https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E?offset=400&filter=0 - MaidSafe
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1KzHa54Qt7V75VmEsSjP2MddPxb7Mwr1fc
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Hi2bwsu3W3h7UDrbNUuxRG4x4s4HxtWo7
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https://blockchain.info/es/address/1TCEZsNRhcmx4jBtZr7jt1yM59dJXZKoe - 64,000 BTC
https://blockchain.info/es/address/1Drt3c8pSdrkyjuBiwVcSSixZwQtMZ3Tew - Mtgox
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April 24, 2014, 12:42:03 PM
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The question remains: who owns those coins?
Someone had to move them there. Is someone planning to invest with stolen coins?

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April 24, 2014, 12:51:53 PM
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The question remains: who owns those coins?
Someone had to move them there. Is someone planning to invest with stolen coins?

Probably Mark Karpeles or someone close to him controls all the coins. Since now the wallet is tagged (and probably blocked by all the major exchanges), he can't exchange them for fiat via BTC-E or Bitstamp. So the only option left is now to invest them.  Grin
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The question remains: who owns those coins?
Someone had to move them there. Is someone planning to invest with stolen coins?

Probably Mark Karpeles or someone close to him controls all the coins. Since now the wallet is tagged (and probably blocked by all the major exchanges), he can't exchange them for fiat via BTC-E or Bitstamp. So the only option left is now to invest them.  Grin

He or his accomplishes are actually trying to cut the trail. So they are investing in an altcoin, then they'll sale those alts in some coin only exchange against BTC and those will be fresh BTC for them with no string attached. The sheep-market money launderer also tried something like this...

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The question remains: who owns those coins?
Someone had to move them there. Is someone planning to invest with stolen coins?

Probably Mark Karpeles or someone close to him controls all the coins. Since now the wallet is tagged (and probably blocked by all the major exchanges), he can't exchange them for fiat via BTC-E or Bitstamp. So the only option left is now to invest them.  Grin
They can just launder those coins in the altcoin market. It is possible that they were stolen from him by someone close to him (if he really doesn't own them).

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April 24, 2014, 01:23:36 PM
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They can just launder those coins in the altcoin market. It is possible that they were stolen from him by someone close to him (if he really doesn't own them).

Check this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/21/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-insight-idUSBREA3K01D20140421

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Developers, stuck without direct access to the Mt. Gox source code, resorted to playing video games, people inside the company at the time say. Employees were also concerned that Karpeles' tight grip on all company affairs was causing a bottleneck: he was the only person who could access the exchange's bank accounts and bitcoin holdings and resolve requests by traders to cash out. Former employees say they asked Karpeles to share the passwords to Mt. Gox's bitcoin wallets in case he became incapacitated or unable to access the data. He refused, leaving him as the only person able to piece together the passwords, written on paper stored at his home, the office, and an undisclosed location.

It is clear that Karpeles was the only one who was capable of committing the robbery.
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April 24, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
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The question remains: who owns those coins?
Someone had to move them there. Is someone planning to invest with stolen coins?

Probably Mark Karpeles or someone close to him controls all the coins. Since now the wallet is tagged (and probably blocked by all the major exchanges), he can't exchange them for fiat via BTC-E or Bitstamp. So the only option left is now to invest them.  Grin

So yes people like these effect bitcoin? There are always people who want to gain from innovations like bitcoin . That happens when bitcoin is not really coherent with any laws. We say bitcoin is freedom but corruption Is also mtgox is great example..
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April 24, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
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I just came across this a few mins back. I am not quite sure what it means. Are these stolen coins? and what does it mean. Is there a way to stop them or perhaps even block the MSAFE whilst it is still a digital asset. I will speak with the MSC guys, I think we need more info though. If some bitcoin core devs could pitch in and work with us it would be great. Gavin for instance. Is it possible to shout out to him?

I have seen this sort of thing a lot and many times Gavin and co can provide more info and even investigation. If it is indeed bad behaviour then I am all in favor of stopping it as it harms the community for sure. We do need to be 100% though and the bitcoin core dev team can help.
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April 24, 2014, 01:44:29 PM
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So yes people like these effect bitcoin?

People like Karpeles bring bad name to Bitcoin. Such incidents will scare away a lot of businesses from adopting Bitcoin or other crypto-currencies such as Litecoin as a mode of payment.
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April 24, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
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They can just launder those coins in the altcoin market. It is possible that they were stolen from him by someone close to him (if he really doesn't own them).

Check this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/21/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-insight-idUSBREA3K01D20140421

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Developers, stuck without direct access to the Mt. Gox source code, resorted to playing video games, people inside the company at the time say. Employees were also concerned that Karpeles' tight grip on all company affairs was causing a bottleneck: he was the only person who could access the exchange's bank accounts and bitcoin holdings and resolve requests by traders to cash out. Former employees say they asked Karpeles to share the passwords to Mt. Gox's bitcoin wallets in case he became incapacitated or unable to access the data. He refused, leaving him as the only person able to piece together the passwords, written on paper stored at his home, the office, and an undisclosed location.

It is clear that Karpeles was the only one who was capable of committing the robbery.
So it is not possible. Yes, his way of handling Mt. Gox did cause a huge bottleneck there.

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April 24, 2014, 02:21:58 PM
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It's criminal that this happened to begin with and equally criminal that the current trustee has done such a terrible job of investigating this.
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It will be everywhere soon. You will gain some fame. Cool

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Any proof that these coins belong to mtgox other than it is labelled "stolen coins"?

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April 24, 2014, 03:20:48 PM
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Any proof that these coins belong to mtgox other than it is labelled "stolen coins"?

This particular wallet came in to existence immediately after the Mt Gox theft happened. And who else will be having this much amount of Bitcoins, other than Satoshi himself?
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April 24, 2014, 03:35:58 PM
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Any proof that these coins belong to mtgox other than it is labelled "stolen coins"?


You won't find any, because it's a Bitstamp address.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yxxgf/the_posted_address_with_a_transfers_totaling/

Also look at the balance over time. It never had much balance, just a high throughput. Exactly like an exchange address should look.
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Any proof that these coins belong to mtgox other than it is labelled "stolen coins"?

This particular wallet came in to existence immediately after the Mt Gox theft happened. And who else will be having this much amount of Bitcoins, other than Satoshi himself?

That's not a PROOF of anything...

What this whole thing amounts to is a conspiracy theory by someone trying to be a hero...

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April 24, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
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They can just launder those coins in the altcoin market. It is possible that they were stolen from him by someone close to him (if he really doesn't own them).

Check this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/21/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-insight-idUSBREA3K01D20140421

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Developers, stuck without direct access to the Mt. Gox source code, resorted to playing video games, people inside the company at the time say. Employees were also concerned that Karpeles' tight grip on all company affairs was causing a bottleneck: he was the only person who could access the exchange's bank accounts and bitcoin holdings and resolve requests by traders to cash out. Former employees say they asked Karpeles to share the passwords to Mt. Gox's bitcoin wallets in case he became incapacitated or unable to access the data. He refused, leaving him as the only person able to piece together the passwords, written on paper stored at his home, the office, and an undisclosed location.

It is clear that Karpeles was the only one who was capable of committing the robbery.

How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?
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They can just launder those coins in the altcoin market. It is possible that they were stolen from him by someone close to him (if he really doesn't own them).

Check this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/21/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-insight-idUSBREA3K01D20140421

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Developers, stuck without direct access to the Mt. Gox source code, resorted to playing video games, people inside the company at the time say. Employees were also concerned that Karpeles' tight grip on all company affairs was causing a bottleneck: he was the only person who could access the exchange's bank accounts and bitcoin holdings and resolve requests by traders to cash out. Former employees say they asked Karpeles to share the passwords to Mt. Gox's bitcoin wallets in case he became incapacitated or unable to access the data. He refused, leaving him as the only person able to piece together the passwords, written on paper stored at his home, the office, and an undisclosed location.

It is clear that Karpeles was the only one who was capable of committing the robbery.

What doesn't make sense is why employees did not speak up on the forums and leak things Waaaaaay before they did (after the shutdown). Were they worried about not getting a check or Huh
I mean they must have suspected a lot and NOT to speak up seems a bit strange.

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April 24, 2014, 04:19:36 PM
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How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?

Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues. And he was in to programming ever since he was just 12 years old. Do you think it will be that easy to steal data from such a person using a keylogger?
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tagging thread for potential future comedic value.
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How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?

Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues. And he was in to programming ever since he was just 12 years old. Do you think it will be that easy to steal data from such a person using a keylogger?

I'd rather not comment on his intelligence, however, hardware keyloggers are undetectable even by the most leet hackers. Many have fallen victim to the fbi thanks to hw keyloggers.
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How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?

Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues. And he was in to programming ever since he was just 12 years old. Do you think it will be that easy to steal data from such a person using a keylogger?

Wait.
If he was "extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues", then how do you explain the devastating pair of hacks in 2011?
and the trade engine lag that never really got fixed?
and the crappy code that was exposed in the end?

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April 24, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
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BTC Guild admin is claiming that he has no involvement to it.

Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582836.msg6375687#msg6375687

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How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?

Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues. And he was in to programming ever since he was just 12 years old. Do you think it will be that easy to steal data from such a person using a keylogger?

Wait.
If he was "extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues", then how do you explain the devastating pair of hacks in 2011?
and the trade engine lag that never really got fixed?
and the crappy code that was exposed in the end?


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Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent 
This doesn't sound right to me.  I heard he was French.  Am I missing something?

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Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent  
This doesn't sound right to me.  I heard he was French.  Am I missing something?

Intelligent people have a habit of overlooking the dumbest mistakes.  Although from what I've seen, I'm not so sure about either statement.  From what I've read, he strikes me as one of those people who would tell people their IQ as a sign of intellect...from the free online IQ test they took when they were 13.

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How difficult could it be to attach a keylogger to his computer while he is out for a frappuccino?

Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues. And he was in to programming ever since he was just 12 years old. Do you think it will be that easy to steal data from such a person using a keylogger?

Wait.
If he was "extremely intelligent and was ultra-careful about the security issues", then how do you explain the devastating pair of hacks in 2011?
and the trade engine lag that never really got fixed?
and the crappy code that was exposed in the end?

He caused a bottleneck due to which his team couldn't properly secure Mt.Gox. He might be paranoid?

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we are doomed, better hide  Grin
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Seriously, where are the missing coins? MagicalTux tell us already so we can finally start the hunt.

btw: What about the efforts to match the leaked withdrawal data to the blockchain? Did anything come from that?
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Seriously, where are the missing coins? MagicalTux tell us already so we can finally start the hunt.

btw: What about the efforts to match the leaked withdrawal data to the blockchain? Did anything come from that?

Mark thinks:


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The article also claims that 64,000 btc flowed into the MaidSafe IPO from aforementioned address. Their attention to detail and dedication to accurate reporting is truly impressive here.

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What is going on HuhHuh Who is controls all those coins?HuhHuh??



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What is going on HuhHuh Who is controls all those coins?HuhHuh??

you have just asked the 64,000 bitcoin question.

i'll be here all week. making my old math instructors proud.

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What is going on HuhHuh Who is controls all those coins?HuhHuh??




Nobody really knows. It could be Mark, it could be a hacker, anyone right now.

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ok....since we know where he transfer them..... now it's easy to ask the company "Who send you those ??"  right?HuhHuh?
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ok....since we know where he transfer them..... now it's easy to ask the company "Who send you those ??"  right?HuhHuh?
Not really. We don't know who owns the address. The company (or just Mark) stated that the coins were stolen. If you ask them, you won't really get an useful answer.

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i mean the company that received the bitcoins..... not who send them....
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good job, now we can at least get some information where lost Bitcoin go. next still need who own these address.
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Guys, ok we don't know now who is the owner but we know the receiver.

Maidsafe IPO associated account received 64.000 BTC.


So some authority to make this company (receiver) reveal the depositor?HuhHuhHuh?  (do you think they received this ammount without knowing the sender???)

THIS IS HUUUUUGE !!!!!! can't get away after that.....
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Guys, ok we don't know now who is the owner but we know the receiver.

Maidsafe IPO associated account received 64.000 BTC.


So some authority to make this company reveal the depositor?HuhHuhHuh?
It's not easy as just asking them I believe. I don't even know if they would answer that.
They could try tracking down his IP too.

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stolen coins tag  Shocked  Grin

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ok yes...it's not easy but it's not easy for me and you not for the court Smiley
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April 24, 2014, 09:51:39 PM
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Guys, ok we don't know now who is the owner but we know the receiver.
Maidsafe IPO associated account received 64.000 BTC.
So some authority to make this company (receiver) reveal the depositor?HuhHuhHuh?  (do you think they received this ammount without knowing the sender???)
THIS IS HUUUUUGE !!!!!! can't get away after that.....

This stinks like a rat's ass. Chances are that Karpeles (or someone from the inside) still has the ability to move funds from the big Gox wallet. Bankruptcy is announced, he walks, we are Goxxed. Simple as that.

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April 24, 2014, 09:54:48 PM
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This is called embezzlement.

If proven, it should earn the fat frog 10 years in prison.

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April 24, 2014, 09:56:45 PM
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Guys, ok we don't know now who is the owner but we know the receiver.
Maidsafe IPO associated account received 64.000 BTC.
So some authority to make this company (receiver) reveal the depositor?HuhHuhHuh?  (do you think they received this ammount without knowing the sender???)
THIS IS HUUUUUGE !!!!!! can't get away after that.....

This stinks like a rat's ass. Chances are that Karpeles (or someone from the inside) still has the ability to move funds from the big Gox wallet. Bankruptcy is announced, he walks, we are Goxxed. Simple as that.


I don't believe that some people that lost 3.000 or more.... will go empty hands just like that.... i read in other topics about spending some more BTC in order to have "final solution" with Karpeles.... and we all understand what that means.... Also i can't understand why they had in just ONE account all those BTC!!!!! it's crazy!!!! But anyway back to our point.... since we have the movements and i think the ip also by court or goverment moves on the recever side it's easy to find out the sender.....simple as that!
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April 24, 2014, 09:57:08 PM
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This is called embezzlement.

If proven, it should earn the fat frog 10 years in prison.

He's in Japan, you'ld have to ambush him at Starbucks and throw him on a plane to the states.

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April 24, 2014, 10:02:28 PM
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This is called embezzlement.

If proven, it should earn the fat frog 10 years in prison.

He's in Japan, you'ld have to ambush him at Starbucks and throw him on a plane to the states.
It won't be easy to get away... He's visible from a distance. Eventhough the plane should be something like this: Grin

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April 24, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
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This is called embezzlement.

If proven, it should earn the fat frog 10 years in prison.

He's in Japan, you'ld have to ambush him at Starbucks and throw him on a plane to the states.

Embezzlement is legal in Japan?

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April 24, 2014, 10:42:02 PM
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Karpeles, after all was extremely intelligent  
This doesn't sound right to me.  I heard he was French.  Am I missing something?

Intelligent people have a habit of overlooking the dumbest mistakes.  Although from what I've seen, I'm not so sure about either statement.  From what I've read, he strikes me as one of those people who would tell people their IQ as a sign of intellect...from the free online IQ test they took when they were 13.

I was closer to 15 and the www did not exist, but my IQ score was very high.  Cheesy

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Just FYI: I think those address lables on blockchain.info are not a 100% reliable. Addresses can be tagged by anyone...
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April 25, 2014, 05:59:09 AM
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I said this yesterday in the MaidSafe forum:

Gox BTCs are being laundered like there's no tomorrow with this MaidSafeCoin, they bought MaidSafe coins with them now they are selling them on the MasterCoin Exchange and there will be no more trace of them. The coins will be out to new fresh BTC addresses where nobody will ever be able to trace them again.

Thats how you make money:

1. Steal coins
2. Create some shit coin with exodus address
3. Send BTC to the exodus address
4. Sell the shit coins for new fresh BTC
5. Untraceble fresh new BTC ready to sell for dollars

TO ALL: Expect a major dump in BTC soon, if this is true, they will want to sell the BTC FAST, means they will dump



Now look what is happening today and think about it

EDIT: Its not about just Gox coins, many other stolen coins were laundered there
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April 25, 2014, 05:59:37 AM
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I don't believe that some people that lost 3.000 or more.... will go empty hands just like that....

They will not.

A total of 5 people lost more than BTC10,000 in Gox. (Average loss of BTC26,161 or $12,609,000)
Another 96 lost more than BTC1,000 there. (Average loss of BTC2,216 or $1,681,000).

So we have a list of more than 100 people who are after Karpeles.  Grin
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April 25, 2014, 06:01:14 AM
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Just FYI: I think those address lables on blockchain.info are not a 100% reliable. Addresses can be tagged by anyone...

No! Realllllly! ROTFL

Those aren't Gox coins.

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April 25, 2014, 06:17:59 AM
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I think you all read the new post on MtGox website....

https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140424_order.pdf


According to this we have to wait until 25 February 2015 for the investigation of claims....

Have a nice day!!!!
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According to this we have to wait until 25 February 2015 for the investigation of claims....

So the auction will happen only after that date? That is excellent. Who knows what will be the BTC / USD exchange rate after one year? I won't be surprised even if it hits $10,000!
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I think you all read the new post on MtGox website....

https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140424_order.pdf


According to this we have to wait until 25 February 2015 for the investigation of claims....

Have a nice day!!!!

So I suppose we send our claims to that address?

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I think you all read the new post on MtGox website....

https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140424_order.pdf


According to this we have to wait until 25 February 2015 for the investigation of claims....

Have a nice day!!!!

So I suppose we send our claims to that address?

That includes the controller that sent Bitcoinica's bitcoins to Mt Gox for safe keeping. Remember them coins?
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I think you all read the new post on MtGox website....

https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140424_order.pdf


According to this we have to wait until 25 February 2015 for the investigation of claims....

Have a nice day!!!!

So I suppose we send our claims to that address?


We have to wait as they write and they will upload a form we have to fill.
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April 25, 2014, 08:02:31 AM
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also have a look on that:

http://www.coindesk.com/investor-group-optimistic-fight-mt-gox-liquidation/

They way i see things now this is our only solution...
I hope they can do that!! It is clear that this option is available if you read the MtGox announcement here: https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140424_announce_qa_en.pdf


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April 25, 2014, 08:16:45 AM
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One of the transactions mentioned in the Cryptocoinsnews is mine, the one of 149.9999. i send 150 Btc from my coinbase wallet to my Blockchain wallet and from ther to Maidsafe.
Do i have to worry? What to do?
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I'd like to believe this. Nice to think that these bitcois are not lost forever
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April 26, 2014, 06:54:42 AM
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Karpeles, after all […] was ultra-careful about the security issues.

Do you have any evidence of this?

It was widely reported that Karpeles fled France after being arrested for fraud while working for a company involved with "payment systems on the Internet" (his words from his blog). MtGox itself suffered repeated security breaches in the years leading up to its final downfall.

None of this sounds like the work of a security professional to me. Unless they are aiming to be a professional thief.

Are you still confident in your prediction of an imminent auction of MtGox's 200kBTC forced by the Japanese authorities?

If the claims in this thread hold up, would that not suggest that these 200kBTC are still in circulation (they've been used in the IPO of another company) rather than at risk of being dumped into fiat dropping the price, as you expressed concern about in another thread?
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April 27, 2014, 11:25:22 AM
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We're happy to announce BuyMaid.com to the community!

Is this a Joe-Job or are you kidding? Who will touch the service now and mix clean coins with fraud? To post such advertising ironically in this thread is not funny.
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One of the transactions mentioned in the Cryptocoinsnews is mine, the one of 149.9999. i send 150 Btc from my coinbase wallet to my Blockchain wallet and from ther to Maidsafe.
Do i have to worry? What to do?

There can be of course false positives. You can try to improve the data situation.

Also, I would not transfer in the current situation so much money back and forth between online wallets.
We all have to wait until this have been clarified. Someone is trying to run away with 650,000 stolen Bitcoins.
This will still provide a lot of trouble. Also in the Altcoin segment.
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