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April 28, 2014, 03:30:31 PM
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We are obviously between depression and hope.
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April 28, 2014, 03:33:33 PM
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We are obviously between depression and hope.

actually we are hopelessly depressed  Smiley
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April 28, 2014, 03:35:12 PM
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It's both, until there is an obsvervateur. Then the wave fonction collapse and it becomes a particle.
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April 28, 2014, 03:36:25 PM
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We are obviously between depression and hope.

actually we are hopelessly depressed  Smiley


YOU are, not me bro. I'm desperately hopefull Smiley


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April 28, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
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If you watch the price constantly it seems to randomly go up and down and sideways.  If you don't watch it and look at its history it seems to form patterns.

As any other market is combination of chaos, panic, supply and demand. More you try to find out what bitcoin is, near to become insane you are. Do not try that .Cheesy You would harm yourself Tongue

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April 28, 2014, 03:54:45 PM
Last edit: April 28, 2014, 06:31:03 PM by knightcoin
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we should start our group called "psychotherapy for bitcoin traders"  Grin ... but as far as most of trading strategies are based on following the trading and the crowd ... I wondering how much people are directly-actively evolved with bitcoin ...  I know it's pretty hard to predict a crowd directions, anyone who can master it will be rich ... but talking about particles in the space... How do flocks of birds all change direction at the same time ? ones says that is enough to track up to 7 neighbours

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Another recent study is based on an analysis of high speed camera footage of flocks above Rome, and uses a computer model assuming minimal behavioural rules.[

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April 28, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
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A Bitcoin doesn't change over time i.e. it's always = 1. This rules out the possibility that bitcoin is a wave.

The mass of a bitcoin = 0 i.e. it's entirely virtual. This rules out the possibility that it's a particle.

And if you want to argue that photons have 0 mass and are particles, well just go ahead and prove that.



Nice try but you are wrong. Bitcoin is information consisting of binary code which is generated from electric current passing through the processor. Electrons have a mass and current frequency can be interpreted as a wave, therefore bitcoin behaves as a particle moving in a wavelike pattern.

The value of the bitcoin on the other hand is a different story Grin
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April 28, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
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A Bitcoin doesn't change over time i.e. it's always = 1. This rules out the possibility that bitcoin is a wave.

The mass of a bitcoin = 0 i.e. it's entirely virtual. This rules out the possibility that it's a particle.

And if you want to argue that photons have 0 mass and are particles, well just go ahead and prove that.



Nice try but you are wrong. Bitcoin is information consisting of binary code which is generated from electric current passing through the processor. Electrons have a mass and current frequency can be interpreted as a wave, therefore bitcoin behaves as a particle moving in a wavelike pattern.

The value of the bitcoin on the other hand is a different story Grin
The cost of the electricity used to generate bitcoins fluctuates in a wavelike pattern as well due to the difficulty factor. Cost has some bearing on price because it affects supply.


It's both, until there is an obsvervateur. Then the wave fonction collapse and it becomes a particle.
That is the genesis of the OP.


We are obviously between depression and hope.

This may one day become the single most important factor in global economics.

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April 28, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
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Tis a wave Beastie and we are the particles.

Aye
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April 28, 2014, 09:16:20 PM
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Bitcoin is a Garden of Eden state. Mathematical proof for intelligent design.
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April 28, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
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Bitcoin is a Garden of Eden state. Mathematical proof for intelligent design.

Something like that. Indeed Smiley I can agree with you. Yes...

And just think about one more thing -- bitcoin is a gift for our times.

Bitcoin need a lot of hash power - so it was just mentioned to be created in the beginning of 21th Century!.

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April 28, 2014, 11:42:53 PM
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Bitcoin is a particle ... a Tachyon to be precise. It travels faster than the speed of light and backwards in time. This is how so many people in this forum are able to predict the future price of Bitcoin.
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April 28, 2014, 11:47:03 PM
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Bitcoin is a particle ... a Tachyon to be precise. It travels faster than the speed of light and backwards in time. This is how so many people in this forum are able to predict the future price of Bitcoin.

An irony.
Love it. Smiley

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April 29, 2014, 07:26:49 AM
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Bitcoin is a wave, but attempts at measuring it will collapse the wave function. We need to run a few tests with the LHC to verify these results. Wait, what the hell are we talking about here?
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April 29, 2014, 10:02:47 AM
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Very good question. If you zoom out on the chart, you see a very calm and consistent downwards sloping sine wave. But if you zoom in, you see a bunch of chaotic spikes which are all labeled as apparently being caused by some type of news or the other. How can this be a coincidence?
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April 29, 2014, 10:08:32 AM
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If you watch the price constantly it seems to randomly go up and down and sideways.  If you don't watch it and look at its history it seems to form patterns.

I like how I was thinking astronomy and then when applied to bitcoin it is both
Light is a wave and a particle the BTC is as well XD

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April 29, 2014, 10:13:44 AM
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Very good question. If you zoom out on the chart, you see a very calm and consistent downwards sloping sine wave. But if you zoom in, you see a bunch of chaotic spikes which are all labeled as apparently being caused by some type of news or the other. How can this be a coincidence?

I suppose this is a reason why Bitcoin is hard to trade for a short term, much easier to gain profit when you hold longer Smiley
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April 29, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
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You do realize that we live in some sort of a big ant farm, in a 4 dimensional projection with a resolution of 10^184 voxels (quantum loop theory assumes 10^99 nodes per ccm, and 10^85 ccm in our universe) ?  Wink

Sort of like Sim City just more complex and the game has just advanced to a point where cryptocurrencies have been invented.

Element synthesis is next, see my thread about LENR.

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April 29, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
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Bitcoin is a particle ... a Tachyon to be precise. It travels faster than the speed of light and backwards in time. This is how so many people in this forum are able to predict the future price of Bitcoin.

I won't believe that light has 0 mass but, a tachyon would have to be mass-less by definition. Not having mass would seem to exclude it from being a particle.

Consider space-time as a four-dimensional liquid crystal and uniform collective vibrations in it's lattice at a single frequency to be the normal mode. Tachyons would be arbitrary lattice vibrations that create a superposition on the elementary vibrations.

While the normal mode is clearly waves the collective excitations that are tachyons would have particle-like emergent properties.

Could Bitcoins really be made of these quasi-particles?

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April 29, 2014, 07:23:24 PM
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I'm going to say that it is a wave always in motion.
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