Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum! Trolling

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... by using the most derogatory term he could find. ...

Let me refer you back to my comment ...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=572838.msg6389656#msg6389656

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[cryptopaths]

There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.

This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.

People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.

WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.

[Bicknellski]

There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.

This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.

People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.

WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.

You know there is so much wrong here you just don't know where to start, not only are the comments from PG hate filled and prejudice but then the responses or justifications that seem to just reinforce that basic level ignorance is almost as bad and it really goes to the nature of how we divide humanity into unnecessary categories. There are a lot of bad people on this planet and skin tone has nothing to do with the propensity for evil. Sad but it seems we still live in a world where people think that races even exists and that somehow you can define or pigeonhole people into a specific 'culture' by the gradation of skin coloration of a specific segment of any given population. Very few cultures are distinct and homogeneous in our world today. Humanity no matter the culture has the same necessities, exhibits the same need for a moral code and although you may think we all live in a vacuum of individual rights we are a part of a greater whole that is humanity. You can't exist outside that reality and when you talk about humans in such a negative and hate filled way you say more about how you are outside the norms of humanity than being a member in good standing. Ethically that sort of speech and the defense of it is just wrong.

[Bobsurplus]

There's an important distinction in that pg wouldn't even hang a black guy he despised. Real racists hang any black person for no reason.

This is critical because he may be offensive but he wouldn't hurt anyone. It's not the same, look at history and how they killed black people for no reason. In that time I'm sure pg would be helping people. He deserves that distinction otherwise he may as well join them if you group him with them.

People forget how bad real racists are. They kill for no reason, in that sense pg is not a racist.

WOW he wouldn't even hang a black guy he hates you say? He's a fucking saint! Seriously your logic gave me a brain tumor.

You know there is so much wrong here you just don't know where to start, not only are the comments from PG hate filled and prejudice but then the responses or justifications that seem to just reinforce that basic level ignorance is almost as bad and it really goes to the nature of how we divide humanity into unnecessary categories. There are a lot of bad people on this planet and skin tone has nothing to do with the propensity for evil. Sad but it seems we still live in a world where people think that races even exists and that somehow you can define or pigeonhole people into a specific 'culture' by the gradation of skin coloration of a specific segment of any given population. Very few cultures are distinct and homogeneous in our world today. Humanity no matter the culture have the same necessities, exhibit the same need for a moral code and although you may think we all live in a vacuum of individual rights we are a part of a greater whole that is humanity. You can't exist outside that reality and when you talk about humans in such a negative and hate filled way you say more about how you are outside the norms of humanity than being a member in good standing. Ethically that sort of speech and the defense of it is just wrong.

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[edd]

His comments about the "Half breed" baby is a clear example of hate.  Breeds describe animals not humans.

I've referred to myself as a "half-breed" and often tell people that I was "born and bred" here in San Antonio; am I racist? (FYI, humans are animals.)

Racism isn't always about hate, as Mike Christ tried to intimate. My mother would never wish ill on anyone but she's a full blown racist, IMO. It sometimes seems like every conversation I have with her includes a comment that starts with, "Oh, you know how white/black/Mexican people are..." She's not white and doesn't consider other races inferior to hers, she will just instinctively put you in a preconceived box based solely on your skin color.

I've met Phinnaeus in person and worked with him on several projects. I believe he is understandably upset by the actions of his niece's boyfriend and wanted to convey the depth of his displeasure by using the most derogatory term he could find. He also tried to make it clear that he was only referring to this one individual, basing his scorn and derision on the personality, not the physical characteristics of the man.

Unfortunately for Phinnaeus, and the rest of us, a few loaded terms are still enough to draw attention away from the issue at hand and give fodder to those trying to convince us that some words and concepts are "bad" no matter how you use them.

Hi edd,
Because you are an Adult, you can label or call yourself anything you like and you have done no damage to anyone.
While Labeling the Black man as a N****R was wrong what he said about the baby was even more disturbing. Just shows that anyone any age is fair game in his book.The term didn't sit well with me labeling an innocent baby as a half breed.

PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning  but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?
Thanks for the Viewpoint edd Appreciate it and keep up the good work in the 100 thread

I'm having some difficulty following your reasoning. You're admitting some words cause "damage" in certain contexts but not in others? You indicate that the term "half breed" disturbed you more than the word "nigger", a word you can't even allow yourself to type out in full. Have you ever heard or seen the term half-breed applied to anything other than a human? I don't think I have (unless you count aliens in science fiction movies).

I understand how some people still have a strong emotional response to the n word but I don't think anyone else would have mentioned "half breed". I could be wrong, maybe it's a localized thing and those of us born and bred in the South are the only ones who use the term without meaning to convey any negative connotations.

PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning  but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?

Unfortunately, yes, I understand. You're saying Phinnaeus hasn't fallen into the category of people whom you would allow to drown and you consider a handshake between two men to somehow be different than other types of handshakes.

[hilariousandco]

His comments about the "Half breed" baby is a clear example of hate.  Breeds describe animals not humans.

I've referred to myself as a "half-breed" and often tell people that I was "born and bred" here in San Antonio; am I racist? (FYI, humans are animals.)

Racism isn't always about hate, as Mike Christ tried to intimate. My mother would never wish ill on anyone but she's a full blown racist, IMO. It sometimes seems like every conversation I have with her includes a comment that starts with, "Oh, you know how white/black/Mexican people are..." She's not white and doesn't consider other races inferior to hers, she will just instinctively put you in a preconceived box based solely on your skin color.

I've met Phinnaeus in person and worked with him on several projects. I believe he is understandably upset by the actions of his niece's boyfriend and wanted to convey the depth of his displeasure by using the most derogatory term he could find. He also tried to make it clear that he was only referring to this one individual, basing his scorn and derision on the personality, not the physical characteristics of the man.

Unfortunately for Phinnaeus, and the rest of us, a few loaded terms are still enough to draw attention away from the issue at hand and give fodder to those trying to convince us that some words and concepts are "bad" no matter how you use them.

Hi edd,
Because you are an Adult, you can label or call yourself anything you like and you have done no damage to anyone.
While Labeling the Black man as a N****R was wrong what he said about the baby was even more disturbing. Just shows that anyone any age is fair game in his book.The term didn't sit well with me labeling an innocent baby as a half breed.

PG is the type of person I would save if he were drowning  but i would NOT shake his hand Man to Man. Does that make any sense to you?
Thanks for the Viewpoint edd Appreciate it and keep up the good work in the 100 thread

I'm having some difficulty following your reasoning. You're admitting some words cause "damage" in certain contexts but not in others? You indicate that the term "half breed" disturbed you more than the word "nigger", a word you can't even allow yourself to type out in full. Have you ever heard or seen the term half-breed applied to anything other than a human? I don't think I have (unless you count aliens in science fiction movies).

I understand how some people still have a strong emotional response to the n word but I don't think anyone else would have mentioned "half breed". I could be wrong, maybe it's a localized thing and those of us born and bred in the South are the only ones who use the term without meaning to convey any negative connotations.

'Half-breed' is a term used for genetically impure / mongrel dogs (amongst other animals). It's a slur when you apply if to humans and so is 'mongrel'.

[edd]

'Half-breed' is a term used for genetically impure / mongrel dogs (amongst other animals). It's a slur when you apply if to humans and so is 'mongrel'.

half′-breed`
n., adj.
usage: This term is usually used with disparaging intent and perceived as insulting, implying that a person of mixed race is somehow different or inferior. However, half-breed is also used as a neutral descriptive term.
— Usually Disparaging and Offensive. n.
1. (a term used to refer to the offspring of parents of different races, esp. the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European descent.)
adj.
2. of or pertaining to such offspring.

half-breed  [haf-breed, hahf-]  Often Disparaging and Offensive.
noun
1.
the offspring of parents of different racial origin, especially the offspring of an American Indian and a white person of European heritage.
adjective
2.
of or pertaining to such offspring.
Origin:
1750–60,  Americanism

Dictionary.com Unabridged


World English Dictionary
half-breed
 
— n
1.   offensive  a person whose parents are of different races, esp the offspring of a White person and an American Indian
 
— adj
2.   of, relating to, or designating offspring of people or animals of different races or breeds

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition

half-breed
1 adj   
(of animals) having only one purebred parent

2 n   
an offensive term for an offspring of parents of different races (especially of Caucasian and American Indian ancestry)

It seems neither one of us is entirely correct/incorrect.

[Lauda]

This is going a bit off topic here. Now you're discussing what can/is offensive and what isn't. I think that it depends on each individual, and the way it was said. It can, but doesn't have to be offensive.

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