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May 18, 2014, 10:11:22 PM
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Could you add each logo as an independant picture? Easier for referencing. Also, please change "cryptonote" to "monero" on the first logo.

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May 18, 2014, 11:53:56 PM
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really like this design:


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May 19, 2014, 08:33:05 AM
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really like this design:



I'd be curious to see some variations on it if the artist has time. For example, a flat (non-shiny) version, one with inverted gold-black, and the same inverted one with silver-black instead of gold.
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May 19, 2014, 03:38:12 PM
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Not sure when this logo contest ends... Putting in another submission.

https://i.imgur.com/M9vQZhK.png
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May 19, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/3IRDIBV.png

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May 19, 2014, 05:43:13 PM
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Not sure when this logo contest ends... Putting in another submission.



Ah, finally we have a 'ring'-like logo. Love it.
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May 19, 2014, 07:02:01 PM
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These are SICK! 

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May 19, 2014, 09:11:03 PM
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I think the people who contributed to the bounty just need to vote now :p
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May 19, 2014, 10:00:11 PM
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Here is mine
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May 20, 2014, 12:27:36 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).


Contest is now on 99designs.com: https://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/monero-mro-cryptocurrency-logo-design-contest-382486
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May 20, 2014, 12:43:42 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).
That's kind of a scummy thing to do ex post facto, just saying.
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May 20, 2014, 12:53:08 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).

So I guess your integrity isn't worth 300 MRO either, eh? Because this really isn't acceptable.

Folks, let this be a warning: This is what happens when a "contest" is run without the prize being held in trust or in escrow. Submissions are solicited and browsed, changes are asked for, then suddenly, the people running the contest no longer feel an "incentive" to pay out.

You Monero people should think long and hard about what kind of message you're sending out by doing this. If your sense of greed is so petty that you can't even pay out a reward that has already been promised and presumably put aside, then I don't know how you expect anyone to trust you to develop and foster the growth of a cryptocurrency with any wisdom.

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May 20, 2014, 12:56:16 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).
That's kind of a scummy thing to do ex post facto, just saying.

It's a bait-and-switch, and yeah, it's really, really slimy.

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May 20, 2014, 12:59:01 AM
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As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC).

You know what, FUCK OFF and go get your 30 designs from there, then.

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May 20, 2014, 01:02:25 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).
That's kind of a scummy thing to do ex post facto, just saying.

I completely agree. Hence the statement that anyone is free to withdraw. But Econ 101: at 300 MRO, we would abandon all designs in this thread for obvious reasons -- we can trivially just hire professionals at a lower price. This way, at least someone *might* win and get paid rather than 0% chance.

Even if it was held in escrow, there's a simple problem - we always had the right to walk out by declaring no logo was worth it. And indeed, at 300 MRO (~$500-600) no logo is worth it. There's no violation unless a design is used without paying out.
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May 20, 2014, 01:06:35 AM
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The worth of 300 MRO skyrocketed (currently worth something like ~1.0-1.5 BTC vs. ~0.2-0.3 BTC yesterday). As a reference, we can currently buy about 30 professional designs from 99designs for $299 (~0.6 BTC). So at 300 MRO we have no incentive to pick a design from all your hard work here instead of just going to professionals.

Because of this price volatility, I'm going to change the bounty to be a constant value in BTC to be paid out in MRO. You are welcome to withdraw yourself from consideration if this is a problem, but I think this is agreeable (it's just economics and nothing has changed from before in terms of BTC/fiat value).
That's kind of a scummy thing to do ex post facto, just saying.

I completely agree. Hence the statement that anyone is free to withdraw. But Econ 101: at 300 MRO, we would abandon all designs in this thread for obvious reasons -- we can trivially just hire professionals at a lower price. This way, at least *someone* wins and gets paid.

Even if it was held in escrow, there's a simple problem - we always had the right to walk out by declaring no logo was worth it. And indeed, at 300 MRO no logo is worth it.

You completely agree that you're scummy? Wow. Then WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE? Because, like, money? Because this really hurts the image of a cryptocurrency that claims a buch of lofty ideals.

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May 20, 2014, 01:12:27 AM
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Also, if you end up going to "professionals", will they be drawing inspiration from the seven pages of designs that you've already solicited at no cost?

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May 20, 2014, 01:42:05 AM
Last edit: May 20, 2014, 06:57:21 AM by eizh
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Discussed with the stakeholders (i.e. the bounty funders) and it's been decided that ending it with no award is the preference over changing the terms. We will contract it out with no reference made to any work here (to prevent any usage of your work). This is the only solution consistent with the original terms since it would have happened anyway at this price level.

Yes, Xenopus, it is indeed about money. This is an economic transaction and it has a going rate in the wider market. Below that, the artists have no incentive to sell. Above that, the bounty funders don't have an incentive to buy. The volatility of altcoins makes that messy and the smart thing to do would have been to decide a BTC bounty in the beginning since BTC is the most stable crypto. This was a major mistake on our part.

Contest is now on 99designs.com: https://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/monero-mro-cryptocurrency-logo-design-contest-382486
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May 20, 2014, 03:18:47 AM
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And indeed, at 300 MRO (~$500-600) no logo is worth it.

I take no issue with not being happy with the logos in the thread, but as a graphic designer I take offense to that. Steve Jobs paid 100 grand for the Next logo from Paul Rand. The Nike swoosh is so iconic it is a multi-million dollar image. Logos are the most vital part of any brand's identity.

Obviously Monero is not Apple computers or Nike but you get what you pay for, if you want to go pay some Filipino kid 99 dollars to do a cut and paste logo on a pirated copy of photoshop that won't even probably be specced right for a four color press or be in vector format, well you will get what you pay for.

I just hate how our industry is so undervalued and shitted on all the time, there are guys who get paid more mowing lawns than designers who will work tirelessly into the night to create a presentation that could net a company a 200k contract and we never get any appreciation for it, it sucks.  
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May 20, 2014, 03:37:47 AM
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And indeed, at 300 MRO (~$500-600) no logo is worth it. There's no violation unless a design is used without paying out.

I take no issue with not being happy with the logos in the thread, but as a graphic designer I take offense to that. Steve Jobs paid 100 grand for the Next logo from Paul Rand. The Nike swoosh is so iconic it is a multi-million dollar image. Logos are the most vital part of any brand's identity.

Obviously Monero is not Apple computers or Nike but you get what you pay for, if you want to go pay some Filipino kid 99 dollars to do a cut and paste logo on a pirated copy of photoshop that won't even probably be specced right for a four color press, well you will get what you pay for.

I just hate how our industry is so undervalued and shitted on all the time, there are guys who get paid more mowing lawns than designers who will work tirelessly into the night to create a presentation that could net a company a 200k contract and we never get any appreciation for it, it sucks.  

There's no doubt that there are logos worth millions and that quality scales with price. I do think there are good designs here, but the ideal situation is to have many to pick from. This thread didn't attract enough attention and the number of submission turned out be pretty low.

Couple this with the fact that today's logos are the same as yesterday's logos -- yet the price paid by the donators went up by a factor of 5, which no one could have predicted. There's a responsibility to get the best deal for the donators since it's all voluntary. One possible choice is to wait for the new attention and the unusually high bounty to produce more logos, but it's quicker to contract it out at this point. This was obviously not the intended path when the contest started.

As for graphic designers being underpaid, I broadly agree. But as an open-source project relying on donations, we take the going rate.
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