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April 19, 2014, 04:34:24 AM
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You are wasting time by speculating what Danny had done before this venture  this is irelevent
Important is what he is doing now

Agreed, "where is Danny now" is the most important question; but the police will not need our help in that.

On the other hand, what he did before going to Cyprus is relevant because it may help us understand how this mess took off and got so far.  Which in turn may help people recognize and avoid similar disasters in the future.

Part of the reason for the MtGOX disaster was the "libertarian pilosophy" that has come to be associated with bitcoin.  In that philosophy, a shady past, running afoul of the law, lack of proper accounting, financial opaqueness, and avoidance of regulations are not defects; they may even be seen as virtues.   Thus, in particular, MtGOX's clients were not bothered by Karpeles's troubles with the FBI (that apparently made him avoid traveling to the US), or the fact that his exchange was completely unregulated and unaudited.  They did not think of checking Karpeles's past; and even if they did, they would probably not object to what they would have found.

As long as bitcoiners continue to think that way,  the already long list of bitcoin scams and failed-from-the start bitcoin ventures will only continue to grow. 

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April 19, 2014, 05:00:26 AM
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the people who have been asking for evidence (at least some of them) explicitly denied that the Cyprus Mail artilcles were evidence.  What else could they be then?
Well, people asking for explicit evidence are obviously people looking for evidence.
Sorry if the sentence was ambiguous. "They" referred to the articles, not the people.  If someone says that the Cyprus Mail articles are not evidence, he is accusing the reporter who wrote them of either having consciously lied, or of having copied rumors from anonymous posts without checking them.

But those quibbles are irrelevant at this point, agreed?

For all we know, you are also one of the speculators, after all.  Why would you attack people looking for evidence otherwise...
No, I am not an investor trying to pull the stock price up, nor a speculator trying to push it down; and I do not care about either.

I just don't like scammers and liars, and I am worried about the legion of bitcoin opportunists who are already turning their sights to Latin America as the last large repository of suckers with money.  Isn't that reason enough for me to be interested in the Neo & Bee case?

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April 19, 2014, 08:56:39 AM
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Part of the reason for the MtGOX disaster was the "libertarian pilosophy" that has come to be associated with bitcoin.  In that philosophy, a shady past, running afoul of the law, lack of proper accounting, financial opaqueness, and avoidance of regulations are not defects; they may even be seen as virtues.   Thus, in particular, MtGOX's clients were not bothered by Karpeles's troubles with the FBI (that apparently made him avoid traveling to the US), or the fact that his exchange was completely unregulated and unaudited.  They did not think of checking Karpeles's past; and even if they did, they would probably not object to what they would have found.

As long as bitcoiners continue to think that way,  the already long list of bitcoin scams and failed-from-the start bitcoin ventures will only continue to grow. 


Well said.

Bitcoiners actively allow scammers and dreamers, by checking nothing, trusting anything 'because it's Bitcoin' and then accusing any criticism as FUD.

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April 19, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
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Bitcoiners actively allow scammers and dreamers, by checking nothing, trusting anything 'because it's Bitcoin' and then accusing any criticism as FUD.

That is changing quickly though and has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin itself or even any supposed libertarian philosophy. MtGox was a centralised point of failure in a decentralised system. Centralised exchanges should have no role in a decentralised system.

ROI is not a verb, the term you're looking for is 'to break even'.
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April 19, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
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Bitcoiners actively allow scammers and dreamers, by checking nothing, trusting anything 'because it's Bitcoin' and then accusing any criticism as FUD.

That is changing quickly though and has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin itself or even any supposed libertarian philosophy. MtGox was a centralised point of failure in a decentralised system. Centralised exchanges should have no role in a decentralised system.

It's particularly lulzy that haters of banks and centralization get repeatedly pwnt by centralized exchanges, and, finally, by a d00d starting ... a bank Cheesy
But I agree, this has nothing to do with Bitcoin, rather the finance enthusiasts who flock to it.
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April 19, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
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pwnt

Heh, I like your grammar. :-)

ROI is not a verb, the term you're looking for is 'to break even'.
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April 19, 2014, 06:05:14 PM
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Bitcoiners actively allow scammers and dreamers, by checking nothing, trusting anything 'because it's Bitcoin' and then accusing any criticism as FUD.

That is changing quickly though and has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin itself or even any supposed libertarian philosophy. MtGox was a centralised point of failure in a decentralised system. Centralised exchanges should have no role in a decentralised system.

Great quote. I feel the same way about your viewpoints.

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April 21, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
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@Havelock:

Now that nobody's paying the maintenance fees, how long are you planning to keep NEOBBQ trading on your fine exchange?  Indefinitely, or is there some endgame scenario you're considering?  Will you make an announcement before halting trading & delisting, or after?

Thanks.
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April 23, 2014, 05:05:05 AM
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@Havelock:

Now that nobody's paying the maintenance fees, how long are you planning to keep NEOBBQ trading on your fine exchange?  Indefinitely, or is there some endgame scenario you're considering?  Will you make an announcement before halting trading & delisting, or after?

Thanks.

Seems like an interesting enough question technically the Q assets should be paying listing fees but they are not so is there a delisting date
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April 24, 2014, 12:58:01 PM
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You are wasting time by speculating what Danny had done before this venture  this is irelevent
Important is what he is doing now

What is he doing now??

Mr Brewster is staying with his Grandmother in the Yorkshire area. You are all correct in saying there was no funeral that he attended, this was just another lie to spin. I wonder do you carry a book that you write everything you say down Danny? You do know that your past does always comes back to bite you. You wanted fame and fortune and now Danny you google your name and arrest warrants and you have fame for all the wrong reasons.

Danny stand up and face what you have done, return the lavish items you bought with company funds. Tell the truth, that your bit coin knowledge is as much as a 5yr old you just went with your ideas at a bull at a gate. Tell the truth that you used the companies money to live. tell the truth the there was NO 6 million euro of your own funds for start up. Tell the truth and have an independent account go over all accounts.

For once in your life be honest, you might actually free yourself of some heavy weight. Just think of your family and the stress that all this is putting them through. think of others for once nit just the selfish sole of yourself.
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April 24, 2014, 05:55:48 PM
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What is he doing now??

Mr Brewster is staying with his Grandmother in the Yorkshire area. You are all correct in saying there was no funeral that he attended, this was just another lie to spin.

How and/or where have you obtained this information and why should we believe you?
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April 24, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
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What is he doing now??

Mr Brewster is staying with his Grandmother in the Yorkshire area. You are all correct in saying there was no funeral that he attended, this was just another lie to spin.

How and/or where have you obtained this information and why should we believe you?

Thank you for caring about actual evidence. The trolls on this board decided to target NB for some reason, and this is now the best they can do.
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April 25, 2014, 12:01:33 AM
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NeoBee was a scam, and your betters were kind enough to explain that to you.  But instead of blathering thanks and snotty tears of gratitude, you treated us to ...inarticulate rage and ...other spergings.

I ask you:  How now, brown cow?

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May 01, 2014, 10:24:11 PM
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On Monday May 5th, 2014 at 12:00 EST the NEOBEEQ Fund will be delisted from Havelock Investments. We have provided ample time for anyone representing the NEO & BEE Ltd. Company to respond to our repeated requests to provide additional information for the status of the company. As we have not received any formal information we have made the decision to no longer list the NEOBEEQ Fund. If any additional information is provided to us we will make it public.
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May 01, 2014, 10:44:45 PM
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Found this on a simple search - is this known already?



'R.T. TRAINING LIMITED (dissolved)

04 December 1997 - 21 August 2012
Danny Brewster was employed as Director at R.T. TRAINING LIMITED from 08 July 2010 to 02 February 2011
resigned

Company address: R.T. TRAINING LIMITED
22 BADSLEY ST SOUTH, ROTHERHAM, SOUTH YORKSHIRE, S65 2PW'

and this:


'MR DANNY JAMES BREWSTER

» Home » MR DANNY JAMES BREWSTER
Company
FUTURE ENTERTAINMENT LTD

Postcode: NG34 7GF

MR DANNY JAMES BREWSTER 3 Sep 2011 director - Appointed

Incorporation Date    15/09/2010
Dissolution Date    08/01/2013

..................................................
Previous Company Names
ECHO SECURITY LTD
Changed 31 Oct 2011
3LT LIMITED
Changed 5 Sep 2011'
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Re: what RT Training Ltd did/do:

here is their current website,

http://www.rttraining.co.uk/

note they have dissolved RT Training Ltd and seem to have opened up as RT Training Group.

The guy Tony Williams at RT T likely hired Danny as he has been a Director since 1997. Danny was there for just over 6 months -

'Mr Danny Brewster
Born 28 years ago: 1986
Director, Director
08 Jul 2010 — 02 Feb 2011 (6 months, 25 days) '

So Danny helped run a First Aid training company before he resigned his RT Training Directorship Filed on: 07 Feb 2011 and was appointed Director of Future Entertainment Ltd Filed on: 03 Sep 2011

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Another company referenced here:
 About
Mr Danny Brewster was born in 1986 and the first directorship we have on file was in 2006 at Trojan Security UK Ltd. His most recent directorship is with Lmb Subsidiaries Limited where he holds the position of "Director". This company has been around since 06 Aug 2013 . In total, Danny has held 6 directorships, 1 of which are current, and 5 are previous.



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May 01, 2014, 11:31:51 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-19099595


3 August 2012 Last updated at 08:03


Cancelled Future Festival catering firms 'still owed cash'
By Tim Johns BBC Radio Lincolnshire
Future Festival website The event was due to be held at the Lincolnshire Showground from 27 to 29 July
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Businesses have said they are still owed thousands of pounds after the collapse of what promised to be Lincolnshire's largest music festival.

The Future Festival - planned for July - was cancelled in March.

Since then several catering firms which had paid for pitches have complained no money has been returned.

Danny Brewster, who was involved in organising the festival, said money was paid to the company fronting the event, which he claims he has sold.

In March, BBC Lincolnshire reported the cancellation of the festival and issues concerning those who had bought tickets.
'Quite shocked'

Since then several companies have said they are owed money.

Gatwick-based Richard Billings said he paid a 50% deposit for four pitches.

"We paid the fee, which for four pitches came to a total of £2,500.

"It doesn't leave a very nice taste in the mouth that people can do that. I suppose you learn from it, learn to be a little more cautious in the future".

Richard Clark, who runs a Mexican food stall, said he parted with £500.

"I was quite shocked that somebody could just take people's money and just do nothing, organise nothing", he said.

"We're only a small company, we both work full-time, so the cash flow we have is very small.

"It's been a very tough trading year in catering with the weather and the recession. It was quite a significant loss to us."

Earlier this year, Mr Brewster told the BBC he had separated himself from the company running the festival - Future Entertainment Ltd - "legally and lawfully", and it had been sold to a man called Ramluda Antonictvius. Mr Brewster was unable to provide any further contact information or details.
'Failed business'

Companies House has confirmed there has been no change to the ownership of the company and Mr Brewster remains as the sole director. The accounts are currently overdue.

An email address was provided for those who had lost money to try and obtain a refund. However, none of the caterers or ticket-holders who used that address have received any money or any response.

When asked about the problems, Mr Brewster said: "The caterers and the seven people who purchased tickets did not enter into a contract with me as a person or send me any money, they entered into a contract with Future Entertainment Ltd which is now a failed business and a separate legal entity."

Lincolnshire Trading Standards said an insufficient number of complaints have been made to them to commence a formal investigation.

It added those out of pocket could pursue a claim through the county court.

and here:

http://www.safeconcerts.com/news/2012/mar/7083-future-festival-cancelled-amid-controversy.asp



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