[ANN][CFC2]Coffeecoin | This coin is under the RevivalCoinGroup management

[kelsey]

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

Not that hard to track via the blockchain explorer, I'm confident I could track this.

Harder to prove any bought on the exchange but not appearing in ur online exchange wallet address.

In my case I'll be just claiming those I sent to the exchange for the swap (luckily for staking purpose most the times earlier I bought I'd sent back to my wallet), any bought on the exchange that I can't now prove I'll just write off as lost (none of which is in anyway coffeecoin's fault) along with the various other coins I lost in sharex including some btc

[lordoliver]

I think things that happen happen. We want to make our money a real good.
Not traceable (darkcoin) and reversable transactions.

We have to accept, that this has consequences. If I trust anyone with it, i risk, that its gone.
If i buy an ounce gold and store it at a trading location, and the owner can run away, because i don't know him personally, its gone.
I should have stored it in my flat instead.

Can you imagine the press, if bitcoin did similar things after the mt.gox desaster?
Many people would loose their trust in it, because they can change the system randomly.

[ShXnot]

any update for swap?

[kelsey]

I think things that happen happen. We want to make our money a real good.
Not traceable (darkcoin) and reversable transactions.

We have to accept, that this has consequences. If I trust anyone with it, i risk, that its gone.
If i buy an ounce gold and store it at a trading location, and the owner can run away, because i don't know him personally, its gone.
I should have stored it in my flat instead.

Can you imagine the press, if bitcoin did similar things after the mt.gox desaster?
Many people would loose their trust in it, because they can change the system randomly.

Different story here though, people sent their coins to sharex to be swapped as instructed when new client arrives, sharex obviously is no longer participating in the swap they agreed to, so if people can prove they sent them to the exchange then they get the swap.

no ones run off with the coins, they are still at the address' sent for the coins to be swapped, so if you can prove u sent and they are still there, dev agrees to swap them.

no systems being changed randomly, original coin was unfixable so is being completely replaced.

[coffeecoin]

I think things that happen happen. We want to make our money a real good.
Not traceable (darkcoin) and reversable transactions.

We have to accept, that this has consequences. If I trust anyone with it, i risk, that its gone.
If i buy an ounce gold and store it at a trading location, and the owner can run away, because i don't know him personally, its gone.
I should have stored it in my flat instead.

Can you imagine the press, if bitcoin did similar things after the mt.gox desaster?
Many people would loose their trust in it, because they can change the system randomly.

Different story here though, people sent their coins to sharex to be swapped as instructed when new client arrives, sharex obviously is no longer participating in the swap they agreed to, so if people can prove they sent them to the exchange then they get the swap.

no ones run off with the coins, they are still at the address' sent for the coins to be swapped, so if you can prove u sent and they are still there, dev agrees to swap them.

no systems being changed randomly, original coin was unfixable so is being completely replaced.

If anyone here has a firm grasp on the situation, it's Kelsey.

+1

[Sunnyfive]

when is the cfcv2 launch?

[coffeecoin]

when is the cfcv2 launch?

When OCdev fixes the POS problem. Everything else is already complete.

[coffeecoin]

shit，I lost 400K CFC！！！

bitch = sharexcoin.com=shit  

Start from here, then read the 2 posts following that.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596562.msg7148302#msg7148302

Dear DEV

what is "Corrected by Profitus. 6/6/2014 transactions are allegedly due to staking" means? do i'll get my coins back?

I withdrawals my coffeecoin on the last day Sharexcoin.com still alive! but next day Sharexcoin.com is gone. (withdrawals to bittrex.com but no rcvd.)

my info as below:

C43WCbuBXWAqEUxjF2gegKq5NdQWLxekbn   604,584.00000000   6/6/2014   eugenetsou   Corrected by Profitus. 6/6/2014 transactions are allegedly due to staking

i think the address should be BvkviTgHGvxfij836DThx5pBpe6QCzGxQJ

my bittrex.com address : C43WCbuBXWAqEUxjF2gegKq5NdQWLxekbn
my Sharexcoin.com address : BvkviTgHGvxfij836DThx5pBpe6QCzGxQJ

pls. check

Thank you !

The most recent transaction is at the bottom, rather than the top. You had the oldest transaction listed, rather than the newest, so I fixed it. Any transaction AFTER 6/2 are potentially threatening, because that is the date they supposedly "shut down". Judging from the nature of those transactions on 6/6, they appear to be created from wallet staking, so nothing to worry about. Other than that, they haven't moved.

As far as reimbursing ShareX losses, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. As of right now, we're merely tracking ShareX addresses to make sure they're not dumping users' coins on any other exchanges. Your help in identifying and tracking these addresses is greatly appreciated. When it comes time, I will handle the ShareX losses manually, provided each holder can show proof.

Hi dev,

First of all, I have to appreciate that our dev would like to reimburse ShareX losses to affected people

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

I think similar issue has already been discussed on Qora thread, coz Poloniex (Busoni) had seized 24M Qora from suspicious zip's accounts but he cannot find an effective way to distribute them back to those people affected. Therefore the money will likely go back to Qora foundation

This is really a sadly long story you can read here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102

This one's for you, Test.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596562.msg7134619#msg7134619

There will be loss, no doubt. Unless ShareX comes back online, I can only reimburse those that can show proof of deposit via traceable addresses with a screenshot of their wallet showing the transaction details. The block explorer and the wallet screenshot must match up perfectly, including amount sent, taking transaction fees into account, timestamp, transaction ID, and sender and recipient addresses. In other words, the block explorer must report matching details, and the balance must still remain there.

I suppose the only way it would work effectively is if conducting a buy/sell transaction on an exchange causes the coins to change addresses, and not conducting a buy/sell transaction would keep them at the same address. I'll do a little research and report back.

I've attempted to set up a test scenario, but the coins I transferred from Bleutrade over to Bittrex have been stuck in the network for the past few days now *sigh*. Can anyone else confirm it?

[kelsey]

shit，I lost 400K CFC！！！

bitch = sharexcoin.com=shit  

Start from here, then read the 2 posts following that.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596562.msg7148302#msg7148302

Dear DEV

what is "Corrected by Profitus. 6/6/2014 transactions are allegedly due to staking" means? do i'll get my coins back?

I withdrawals my coffeecoin on the last day Sharexcoin.com still alive! but next day Sharexcoin.com is gone. (withdrawals to bittrex.com but no rcvd.)

my info as below:

C43WCbuBXWAqEUxjF2gegKq5NdQWLxekbn   604,584.00000000   6/6/2014   eugenetsou   Corrected by Profitus. 6/6/2014 transactions are allegedly due to staking

i think the address should be BvkviTgHGvxfij836DThx5pBpe6QCzGxQJ

my bittrex.com address : C43WCbuBXWAqEUxjF2gegKq5NdQWLxekbn
my Sharexcoin.com address : BvkviTgHGvxfij836DThx5pBpe6QCzGxQJ

pls. check

Thank you !

The most recent transaction is at the bottom, rather than the top. You had the oldest transaction listed, rather than the newest, so I fixed it. Any transaction AFTER 6/2 are potentially threatening, because that is the date they supposedly "shut down". Judging from the nature of those transactions on 6/6, they appear to be created from wallet staking, so nothing to worry about. Other than that, they haven't moved.

As far as reimbursing ShareX losses, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. As of right now, we're merely tracking ShareX addresses to make sure they're not dumping users' coins on any other exchanges. Your help in identifying and tracking these addresses is greatly appreciated. When it comes time, I will handle the ShareX losses manually, provided each holder can show proof.

Hi dev,

First of all, I have to appreciate that our dev would like to reimburse ShareX losses to affected people

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

I think similar issue has already been discussed on Qora thread, coz Poloniex (Busoni) had seized 24M Qora from suspicious zip's accounts but he cannot find an effective way to distribute them back to those people affected. Therefore the money will likely go back to Qora foundation

This is really a sadly long story you can read here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522102

This one's for you, Test.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596562.msg7134619#msg7134619

There will be loss, no doubt. Unless ShareX comes back online, I can only reimburse those that can show proof of deposit via traceable addresses with a screenshot of their wallet showing the transaction details. The block explorer and the wallet screenshot must match up perfectly, including amount sent, taking transaction fees into account, timestamp, transaction ID, and sender and recipient addresses. In other words, the block explorer must report matching details, and the balance must still remain there.

I suppose the only way it would work effectively is if conducting a buy/sell transaction on an exchange causes the coins to change addresses, and not conducting a buy/sell transaction would keep them at the same address. I'll do a little research and report back.

I've attempted to set up a test scenario, but the coins I transferred from Bleutrade over to Bittrex have been stuck in the network for the past few days now *sigh*. Can anyone else confirm it?

I think a bigger issues been made out of it then really is, as I say (lots of explaining but) I'm confident I'd find most peoples accurately, only ones I couldn't confidently match (well at this time, more info from uses who did and I might be able to so) are ones that people bought on sharex without withdrawing.

[luuupooo]

just a short question Dev. Is the main homepage of the coin also under construction?
cheers and keep up the good work!

[testcoin]

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

Not that hard to track via the blockchain explorer, I'm confident I could track this.

Harder to prove any bought on the exchange but not appearing in ur online exchange wallet address.

In my case I'll be just claiming those I sent to the exchange for the swap (luckily for staking purpose most the times earlier I bought I'd sent back to my wallet), any bought on the exchange that I can't now prove I'll just write off as lost (none of which is in anyway coffeecoin's fault) along with the various other coins I lost in sharex including some btc

Nope. I do daily trades on exchanges and I'm sure blockchain explorer cannot track this

The problem is that if people did sell their CFC holdings on ShareX, blockchain explorer still showed no change of their balance as long as the new buyer did not withdraw

No offense but it's how blockchain explorer works. Nothing can be tracked if no new transaction on the network

That means our dev can only know these coins are still on ShareX, but he cannot know who is the owner of the coins

[lordoliver]

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

Not that hard to track via the blockchain explorer, I'm confident I could track this.

Harder to prove any bought on the exchange but not appearing in ur online exchange wallet address.

In my case I'll be just claiming those I sent to the exchange for the swap (luckily for staking purpose most the times earlier I bought I'd sent back to my wallet), any bought on the exchange that I can't now prove I'll just write off as lost (none of which is in anyway coffeecoin's fault) along with the various other coins I lost in sharex including some btc

Nope. I do daily trades on exchanges and I'm sure blockchain explorer cannot track this

The problem is that if people did sell their CFC holdings on ShareX, blockchain explorer still showed no change of their balance as long as the new buyer did not withdraw

No offense but it's how blockchain explorer works. Nothing can be tracked if no new transaction on the network

That means our dev can only know these coins are still on ShareX, but he cannot know who is the owner of the coins

probably the only possibility is to keep all coins of sharex in an account. Then let everyone request its coins with an transaction id or a trading claim. If noone is complaining, everything is alright. If someone is complaining you probably have to solve that somehow in a "human" way without a technical help.
I mean, they can be glad, if they are getting their coins back already. Hopefully there are no greedies ;-)

[coffeecoin]

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

Not that hard to track via the blockchain explorer, I'm confident I could track this.

Harder to prove any bought on the exchange but not appearing in ur online exchange wallet address.

In my case I'll be just claiming those I sent to the exchange for the swap (luckily for staking purpose most the times earlier I bought I'd sent back to my wallet), any bought on the exchange that I can't now prove I'll just write off as lost (none of which is in anyway coffeecoin's fault) along with the various other coins I lost in sharex including some btc

Nope. I do daily trades on exchanges and I'm sure blockchain explorer cannot track this

The problem is that if people did sell their CFC holdings on ShareX, blockchain explorer still showed no change of their balance as long as the new buyer did not withdraw

No offense but it's how blockchain explorer works. Nothing can be tracked if no new transaction on the network

That means our dev can only know these coins are still on ShareX, but he cannot know who is the owner of the coins

probably the only possibility is to keep all coins of sharex in an account. Then let everyone request its coins with an transaction id or a trading claim. If noone is complaining, everything is alright. If someone is complaining you probably have to solve that somehow in a "human" way without a technical help.
I mean, they can be glad, if they are getting their coins back already. Hopefully there are no greedies ;-)

The idea is to hold off on ShareX reimbursement until after week 1 (exchange week) and week 2 (manual week). ShareX claims will be made through a secured form hosted on CFCGuild.com, which I, and only I have access to. Holders will be able to upload a screenshot of their transaction details, but can not see the details of other holders to prevent cheating. At most, I'll make a public ledger with a running tally of ShareX claims. BUT Testcoin is right about the inability to tell whether a holder has sold his/her coins after depositing. In essence, they would receive a double payout.

How much we have left over after week 1 and week 2 will determine the feasability of reimbursement. For all we know, we could end up with a surplus after week 1, week 2, and ShareX claims. Going by honesty alone could pose a problem, though. What happens if too many dishonest users issue claims for coins they deposited and then sold for BTC? We would have to cut the reimbursement short, and legitimate claims may be overlooked. Cryptocurrency is all about "trustless" systems for this very reason, so what can we do to midigate this? As of right now, all that comes to mind is taking claims for ShareX deposits within the time range of ShareX V1/V2 swap participation confirmation, and the date ShareX went down. Anything before that would increase the likelihood of that claim including sold CFC.

[coffeecoin]

just a short question Dev. Is the main homepage of the coin also under construction?
cheers and keep up the good work!

Only the original dev has access to that domain. I own CFCGuild.com. I use it as an alternate landing page, since the old dev won't give up the details of coffee-coin.org. I got everything from him including twitter, FB, bitcointalk, gmail, and github...but he won't give up the domain details lol.

[kelsey]

However, people can at most proof that they did deposit some CFC to ShareX. It is more than unlikely they can show proof they didn't sell their ShareX holdings and then withdraw BTC afterward

Not that hard to track via the blockchain explorer, I'm confident I could track this.

Harder to prove any bought on the exchange but not appearing in ur online exchange wallet address.

In my case I'll be just claiming those I sent to the exchange for the swap (luckily for staking purpose most the times earlier I bought I'd sent back to my wallet), any bought on the exchange that I can't now prove I'll just write off as lost (none of which is in anyway coffeecoin's fault) along with the various other coins I lost in sharex including some btc

Nope. I do daily trades on exchanges and I'm sure blockchain explorer cannot track this

The problem is that if people did sell their CFC holdings on ShareX, blockchain explorer still showed no change of their balance as long as the new buyer did not withdraw

No offense but it's how blockchain explorer works. Nothing can be tracked if no new transaction on the network

That means our dev can only know these coins are still on ShareX, but he cannot know who is the owner of the coins

Too long detailed and too tired to explain here, but I'll explain more to the dev, I can map out through a combination of the block explorer and my trades, to know the how what where of sharex's wallets, and I was going to suggest (others have already similar), the dev can hold the coins until after a period and no complaints to make sure less chance of people claiming who had sold.

also like this:

"As of right now, all that comes to mind is taking claims for ShareX deposits within the time range of ShareX V1/V2 swap participation confirmation, and the date ShareX went down. Anything before that would increase the likelihood of that claim including sold CFC."


somewhat narrows it down to the people who only sent in for the swap.

[The Scorpion]

Any news about the swap?

[luuupooo]

just a short question Dev. Is the main homepage of the coin also under construction?
cheers and keep up the good work!

Only the original dev has access to that domain. I own CFCGuild.com. I use it as an alternate landing page, since the old dev won't give up the details of coffee-coin.org. I got everything from him including twitter, FB, bitcointalk, gmail, and github...but he won't give up the domain details lol.

Ok but i think you realy should have acces to that page. It doesnt makes sense not allowing you to work with/on that homepage. Cause it is maybe the first thing new people see of coffeecoin

[The Scorpion]

It's almost a week passed since the estimated swap. What's the status on it?

[coffeecoin]

just a short question Dev. Is the main homepage of the coin also under construction?
cheers and keep up the good work!

Only the original dev has access to that domain. I own CFCGuild.com. I use it as an alternate landing page, since the old dev won't give up the details of coffee-coin.org. I got everything from him including twitter, FB, bitcointalk, gmail, and github...but he won't give up the domain details lol.

Ok but i think you realy should have acces to that page. It doesnt makes sense not allowing you to work with/on that homepage. Cause it is maybe the first thing new people see of coffeecoin

I agree, but I can't force the guy to turn the domain over to me Besides, I've already asked.

As far as updates go, I sent OCdev a message a couple days ago. He didn't respond, so I'm sending another.

[PTseller]

just a short question Dev. Is the main homepage of the coin also under construction?
cheers and keep up the good work!

Only the original dev has access to that domain. I own CFCGuild.com. I use it as an alternate landing page, since the old dev won't give up the details of coffee-coin.org. I got everything from him including twitter, FB, bitcointalk, gmail, and github...but he won't give up the domain details lol.

Ok but i think you realy should have acces to that page. It doesnt makes sense not allowing you to work with/on that homepage. Cause it is maybe the first thing new people see of coffeecoin

I agree, but I can't force the guy to turn the domain over to me Besides, I've already asked.

As far as updates go, I sent OCdev a message a couple days ago. He didn't respond, so I'm sending another.

people are dumping their coins but i am still holding

So dev what it is your plan ?? are you really going to relaunch ?? or this coin dead now ?? i am confused after reading all posts