Is China silently conquering Africa?

[bryant.coleman]

Africa: Premier Li Keqiang in Africa - the Importance of Angola for China

http://allafrica.com/stories/201405070442.html

The trade figures speak for themselves: in 2009, China overtook the United States as Africa's biggest trading partner, and some 2,500 Chinese firms operate on the continent. Bilateral trade between China and African countries reached $210 billion in 2013 and Angola was also for China the second largest source of imported oil after Saudi Arabia.

Angola aside, these figures hide though that Africa accounts for only 5 per cent ($198.4 billion) of China's global trade ($3.867 trillion) and $3 billion less than 4 per cent of foreign direct investment (FDI) globally in 2012 ($77.2 billion). Africa remains a low priority for Chinese policy makers currently, but not so for African governments who keenly seek Chinese trade and investment. China also finds that its actions in Africa have attracted a disproportionate level of international attention.

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[beetcoin]

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies that said Africa needs some economic growth since they have a lot of issues there so improving their standard of living through economics is one way to do that.

even if china wanted to militarily conquer countries, i don't think the U.S. would let it go that easily - we are #1 after all. it's kind of like when vietnam invaded cambodia, and china didn't want any of that... so they laid the hammer down.

[byt411]

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies that said Africa needs some economic growth since they have a lot of issues there so improving their standard of living through economics is one way to do that.

even if china wanted to militarily conquer countries, i don't think the U.S. would let it go that easily - we are #1 after all. it's kind of like when vietnam invaded cambodia, and china didn't want any of that... so they laid the hammer down.

Well, you certainly cannot read.

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies.

And even if China does, what the heck has the US got to do with it? Stop trying to be the world police, seriously. They can only send out troops through the UN.

[bryant.coleman]

And even if China does, what the heck has the US got to do with it? Stop trying to be the world police, seriously. They can only send out troops through the UN.

Everyone is getting tired of the world police. Soon there won't be any world police. I think a combined force of China, Russia and Iran will take down the US and leave the world in peace.

[byt411]

And even if China does, what the heck has the US got to do with it? Stop trying to be the world police, seriously. They can only send out troops through the UN.

Everyone is getting tired of the world police. Soon there won't be any world police. I think a combined force of China, Russia and Iran will take down the US and leave the world in peace.

The US is very intelligent. Very. They just use stupid cycles to sustain the country, and it will easily fall if we break the cycle.
One of the easiest ways is by simply stop buying US national debt and bonds. That will destroy the whole economy, it's actually a huge ponzi.

[Icardi09]

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

[byt411]

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

China has more than 20% of the world's population, but less than 7% of its farmland, so China, apart from resources such as Gold and Oil, they also want land to grow timber and food in Africa.

[beetcoin]

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies that said Africa needs some economic growth since they have a lot of issues there so improving their standard of living through economics is one way to do that.

even if china wanted to militarily conquer countries, i don't think the U.S. would let it go that easily - we are #1 after all. it's kind of like when vietnam invaded cambodia, and china didn't want any of that... so they laid the hammer down.

Well, you certainly cannot read.

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies.

And even if China does, what the heck has the US got to do with it? Stop trying to be the world police, seriously. They can only send out troops through the UN.

maybe it would be easier to comprehend/read if you knew how to use some punctuation. also, that's just an ad hominem rebuttal.

[byt411]

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies that said Africa needs some economic growth since they have a lot of issues there so improving their standard of living through economics is one way to do that.

even if china wanted to militarily conquer countries, i don't think the U.S. would let it go that easily - we are #1 after all. it's kind of like when vietnam invaded cambodia, and china didn't want any of that... so they laid the hammer down.

Well, you certainly cannot read.

The Chinese way is to conquer economically instead of with armies.

And even if China does, what the heck has the US got to do with it? Stop trying to be the world police, seriously. They can only send out troops through the UN.

maybe it would be easier to comprehend/read if you knew how to use some punctuation. also, that's just an ad hominem rebuttal.

I can perfectly punctuate, and I did not write that. That was written by EternalWingsofGod.
So you can't read, lol.
And by the way, look at the USA, China and Vietnam are now arguing, since Vietnam accused China of invading its waters to find oil, and the US is saying China shouldn't do that? World police.

[bryant.coleman]

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

No.. by area wise, the amount of farmland available in Africa is very less, when compared with that available in Russia, Ukraine, China, India or Canada. That is because a large part of Africa is covered with deserts and forests. And any extensive agricultural programs might need gigantic irrigation schemes, which is not possible currently as there is simply not enough water.

[byt411]

i have read some articles months ago
africa is the future of world food reserves
because china has the biggest world population and need food for their citizen
so they had to secure the African farmland for their future
imo

No.. by area wise, the amount of farmland available in Africa is very less, when compared with that available in Russia, Ukraine, China, India or Canada. That is because a large part of Africa is covered with deserts and forests. And any extensive agricultural programs might need gigantic irrigation schemes, which is not possible currently as there is simply not enough water.

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

[bryant.coleman]

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

Well.. that is only partially true. I agree that the Southern African nations such as Angola are seeing massive Chinese investments. At the same time, equatorial African nations such as Uganda and Cameron are also witnessing Chinese activity on a large scale. (Check the map).

[byt411]

That is correct. However, China doesn't seem that interested in countries near the equator or deserts, they seem to be befriending countries near the coast, or in the south.

Well.. that is only partially true. I agree that the Southern African nations such as Angola are seeing massive Chinese investments. At the same time, equatorial African nations such as Uganda and Cameron are also witnessing Chinese activity on a large scale. (Check the map).

OK. My statement was wrong, China doesn't seem to be that interested in countries near the equator or deserts for food. Of course they are interested in resources, That's a really important thing, since China does not have that much oil and gas.

[crocko]

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

[show_off]

In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

[u9y42]

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

I'm not so sure Portugal managed to by-pass the crisis at all, Chinese investment or not; I mean, extra investment certainly helps, but the country still looks to me to be pretty much "in the crisis".

In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

Care to provide sources / more information?

[bryant.coleman]

In fact, China in third world countries are not welcome.

Chinese investment is present in a lot of the third world countries, and actually the latter is competing with each other to get the Chinese to their nations. The Chinese - third world relationship is a mutually benefiting one, unlike the relations which the 3rd world have with the EU and the US.

[TrailingComet]

Certainly the leading power in Africa today
But leverage concentrated in resources and energy sectors
To conquer the continent, they need to take charge of education and healthcare where India and some western powers have more influence presently

[byt411]

This is a very good question and the answer is YES.

And China is doing the same in the Europe: look at Portugal for example, they managed to by-pass the crisis using Chinese money.

China looks to overwhelm economically the entire planet.
The Islam try to do the same but using the demographic weapon: look how many of them are in each European country.

Wrong. Name a country where there isn't a Chinese person.

[bryant.coleman]

To conquer the continent, they need to take charge of education and healthcare where India and some western powers have more influence presently

Do you think that the healthcare and education sector in Africa is dominated by the Indians? The Indian presence is limited to a few countries, such as Kenya and Ethiopia. The Chinese are replacing them everywhere else.