[2014-05-07] Silk Road 2.0 Now Larger Than Silk Road Ever Was

[hilariousandco]

I wouldn't touch SR2 with a bargepole.

The majority of vendors have also left, or conveniently been hacked and had their accounts taken over.

Plenty of business still goes on there, seemingly.

It's probably a similar situation to Gox. Both Gox and SR2 ran shoddy services but they have a big brand and people often still used them unaware of the shitty service they actually currently provide.

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[turvarya]

Exactly. I don't think using drugs should make you a criminal in any instance, and I don't believe most recreational drugs should be illegal in the first place.

So, driving drunk shouldn't be illegal?
I am also all for some Liberation of drugs, but there are really good examples of things that should be illegal.

I meant just the fact of using drugs shouldn't be illegal. Obviously the caveat of as long as you're not harming anyone else applies here. I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but drink driving obviously should be and quite rightly is so.

But it is not easy to decide, when you are harming others. Should taking a drug, that quite possible make you see other People as Monsters be just legal, even though it is very likely that People will start killing this Monsters?
Should it be legal for a mother to take high addictive drugs and giving the addiction to their children? How to prevent such a Scenario, when taking the high addictive drug is legal?

[MrPiggles]

I wouldn't touch SR2 with a bargepole.

The majority of vendors have also left, or conveniently been hacked and had their accounts taken over.

Plenty of business still goes on there, seemingly.

It's probably a similar situation to Gox. Both Gox and SR2 ran shoddy services but they have a big brand and people often still used them unaware of the shitty service they actually currently provide.

yeah, that's a decent analogy.

it's possible that SR2 isn't a long con, just as it's possible Karpeles really was just incompetent and didn't deliberatley rob his clients.

[hilariousandco]

I wouldn't touch SR2 with a bargepole.

The majority of vendors have also left, or conveniently been hacked and had their accounts taken over.

Plenty of business still goes on there, seemingly.

It's probably a similar situation to Gox. Both Gox and SR2 ran shoddy services but they have a big brand and people often still used them unaware of the shitty service they actually currently provide.

yeah, that's a decent analogy.

it's possible that SR2 isn't a long con, just as it's possible Karpeles really was just incompetent and didn't deliberatley rob his clients.

I don't think it was a longcon, but there's always going to be snakes among the grass.

Exactly. I don't think using drugs should make you a criminal in any instance, and I don't believe most recreational drugs should be illegal in the first place.

So, driving drunk shouldn't be illegal?
I am also all for some Liberation of drugs, but there are really good examples of things that should be illegal.

I meant just the fact of using drugs shouldn't be illegal. Obviously the caveat of as long as you're not harming anyone else applies here. I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but drink driving obviously should be and quite rightly is so.

But it is not easy to decide, when you are harming others. Should taking a drug, that quite possible make you see other People as Monsters be just legal, even though it is very likely that People will start killing this Monsters?
Should it be legal for a mother to take high addictive drugs and giving the addiction to their children? How to prevent such a Scenario, when taking the high addictive drug is legal?

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

[turvarya]

I wouldn't touch SR2 with a bargepole.

The majority of vendors have also left, or conveniently been hacked and had their accounts taken over.

Plenty of business still goes on there, seemingly.

It's probably a similar situation to Gox. Both Gox and SR2 ran shoddy services but they have a big brand and people often still used them unaware of the shitty service they actually currently provide.

yeah, that's a decent analogy.

it's possible that SR2 isn't a long con, just as it's possible Karpeles really was just incompetent and didn't deliberatley rob his clients.

I don't think it was a longcon, but there's always going to be snakes among the grass.

Exactly. I don't think using drugs should make you a criminal in any instance, and I don't believe most recreational drugs should be illegal in the first place.

So, driving drunk shouldn't be illegal?
I am also all for some Liberation of drugs, but there are really good examples of things that should be illegal.

I meant just the fact of using drugs shouldn't be illegal. Obviously the caveat of as long as you're not harming anyone else applies here. I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but drink driving obviously should be and quite rightly is so.

But it is not easy to decide, when you are harming others. Should taking a drug, that quite possible make you see other People as Monsters be just legal, even though it is very likely that People will start killing this Monsters?
Should it be legal for a mother to take high addictive drugs and giving the addiction to their children? How to prevent such a Scenario, when taking the high addictive drug is legal?

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

[hilariousandco]

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

All it ever takes is for an addict to just stop, and they're not just harming themselves anymore but another, and they should have help with that, and if they don't stop then that could be punishable by law.

[turvarya]

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

All it ever takes is for an addict to just stop, and they're not just harming themselves anymore but another, and they should have help with that, and if they don't stop then that could be punishable by law.

There are drugs including alcohol, which can kill you, if you just stop taking them. Getting rid of an addiction isn't that easy. Just ask any smoker.

[hilariousandco]

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

All it ever takes is for an addict to just stop, and they're not just harming themselves anymore but another, and they should have help with that, and if they don't stop then that could be punishable by law.

There are drugs including alcohol, which can kill you, if you just stop taking them. Getting rid of an addiction isn't that easy. Just ask any smoker.

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

[turvarya]

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

But most People are just not going to do that.
When you really think about laws, you have to take in account, that they are for everyone, also the stupid ones and I don't even trust the average Person with this issue. If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

[MrPiggles]

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

except of course you're wrong and all the countries where it's legal to buy heroin have lower addiction rates than other countries.

[hilariousandco]

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

But most People are just not going to do that.
When you really think about laws, you have to take in account, that they are for everyone, also the stupid ones and I don't even trust the average Person with this issue. If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

We can't be responsible for the actions of others, nor does anybody have the right to tell an adult what he can and cannot put into his body. And making drugs illegal doesn't stop people from taking them, it just pushes their use underground and makes criminals out of the users and cartels and kingpins out of the suppliers.

[turvarya]

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

except of course you're wrong and all the countries where it's legal to buy heroin have lower addiction rates than other countries.

In which countries is it legal to buy heroin?

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

But most People are just not going to do that.
When you really think about laws, you have to take in account, that they are for everyone, also the stupid ones and I don't even trust the average Person with this issue. If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

We can't be responsible for the actions of others, nor does anybody have the right to tell an adult what he can and cannot put into his body. And making drugs illegal doesn't stop people from taking them, it just pushes their use underground and makes criminals out of the users and cartels and kingpins out of the suppliers.

In a Society we are responsible for the Action of others. That's the Definition of a Society. The Actions of others influence us.
I don't understand, why you suddenly turned to this Extrem-Anarcho-POV.

Some post earlier, you did recognize laws.

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

All it ever takes is for an addict to just stop, and they're not just harming themselves anymore but another, and they should have help with that, and if they don't stop then that could be punishable by law.

[hilariousandco]

Most of the time stopping cold turkey wont kill you and continuing to take the drugs is far more dangerous. And I smoked for about a year in high school and just decide to stop one day. It's not easy, but it really is just down to your own willpower. Same goes for any other drugs. People can do a lot of things if they only put their mind and willpower to it.

But most People are just not going to do that.
When you really think about laws, you have to take in account, that they are for everyone, also the stupid ones and I don't even trust the average Person with this issue. If it is really no Problem at all to just legally try out some Heroin, we would have more drug addicts, which will never get away from their addiction, than any System(regardless which Country) can handle.

We can't be responsible for the actions of others, nor does anybody have the right to tell an adult what he can and cannot put into his body. And making drugs illegal doesn't stop people from taking them, it just pushes their use underground and makes criminals out of the users and cartels and kingpins out of the suppliers.

In a Society we are responsible for the Action of others. That's the Definition of a Society. The Actions of others influence us.
I don't understand, why you suddenly turned to this Extrem-Anarcho-POV.

Some post earlier, you did recognize laws.

Alcohol can make you see other people as monsters and can also turn you into one. Logic should be used in most of these cases. You shouldn't smoke or drink whilst pregnant, and you shouldn’t do any other drugs either as they all harm your baby.

If you are addicted and realize you are pregnant, it is not like you can just stop taking drugs. That's the Definition of an addiction.
I know that alcohol isn't as safe as most People think, but there are still a lot of worse stuff out there.

All it ever takes is for an addict to just stop, and they're not just harming themselves anymore but another, and they should have help with that, and if they don't stop then that could be punishable by law.

You're confusing yourself and not getting what I'm saying as these are not comparable at all. How can we be responsible for what other people choose to do? We can punish them if their actions effect others though, but that is their choice they made.  I am not responsible for what you do and vice versa, but if either of us do something that harms or endangers others then we can be punished by law for that careless/reckless crime.

[teukon]

I meant just the fact of using drugs shouldn't be illegal. Obviously the caveat of as long as you're not harming anyone else applies here. I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but drink driving obviously should be and quite rightly is so.

What if a person is able to drive drunk without harming anyone?  Should driving be illegal?

Anyway, this is offtopic.  More power to Silk Road 2.0!

[snarlpill]

I would be very weary about using SR2.0, or any of the many others out there. I just know how easy it would be to rob someone on there/get scammed....

[rammy2k2]

Or, maybe it has survived so long because it is the Feds running this site?   Is that beyond the realm of reason?

Possible, and there is no easy way to tell for certain.
I've never visited either Silk Road, but they make for an exciting story.

same here, i dont even know how to access it

[bryant.coleman]

I would be very weary about using SR2.0, or any of the many others out there. I just know how easy it would be to rob someone on there/get scammed....

I think that they should bring back the Escrow. Without escrow, buyers will be conned by people who hack in to the accounts of reliable vendors. But that said, if they bring back the escrow, then they will have to worry about another robbery.

[hilariousandco]

I would be very weary about using SR2.0, or any of the many others out there. I just know how easy it would be to rob someone on there/get scammed....

I think that they should bring back the Escrow. Without escrow, buyers will be conned by people who hack in to the accounts of reliable vendors. But that said, if they bring back the escrow, then they will have to worry about another robbery.

Well the way to go is to make escrows off site and decentralised, which is what I think they plan to do. For these markets to survive they need to be fully decentralised really.

I meant just the fact of using drugs shouldn't be illegal. Obviously the caveat of as long as you're not harming anyone else applies here. I don't think alcohol should be illegal, but drink driving obviously should be and quite rightly is so.

What if a person is able to drive drunk without harming anyone?  Should driving be illegal?

Nah. If someone plants a bomb and it doesn't kill anyone then that doesn't mean they're not guilty of a crime.

[bryant.coleman]

Well the way to go is to make escrows off site and decentralised, which is what I think they plan to do. For these markets to survive they need to be fully decentralised really.

If they take-away the escrow, then it becomes a peer-to-peer trading in SR 2.0. Nothing wrong in that, although it is riskier. But right now I am hearing about a lot about accounts of established vendors being hacked and further used for conning the unsuspecting buyers.

[OgNasty]

What if Silk Road 2.0 didn't have any customers, but claimed they did, then claimed they were hacked, then claimed all it's customers were to be made whole, with nobody complaining because there were no customers in the first place. Now that the hole is plugged sans a leak, trust is now established to garner real customers to participate in the long con.

What if Bitcoin is make believe and everyone has been hired to play a prank on you?