[announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

Obviously something big going on behind the scenes with a lot of money.

This person makes an interesting point. Alternatives to centralized dns need to be simple, and maybe usernames would appeal to people.

https://aaronparecki.com/2020/09/24/21/

https://nameid.org/

Have any of the Namecoin camps, either the main group or Trade Runner, been in contact with this lady?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/8/16985666/alexandra-elbakyan-sci-hub-open-access-science-papers-lawsuit

She seems to have dealt with hns

https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2021/01/14/sci-hub-leaves-handshake-blockchain-after-2-days-citing-centralization-concerns/

Her project would be the best to help remove politics from the internet.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/8/22220738/twitter-sci-hub-suspended-indian-court-case

And she would help split the 'dns' argument into smart people vs stupid people so things could move along faster.

[1713571925]

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[domob]

Everyone who knows me knows that I don't want to get involved in any politics and just want to develop tech.  But let me clarify two things:  First, I've not been involved in any edits of the Namecoin wikipedia page in at least the last year or two; I am contributing to Wikipedia only under my typical username "domob".  Second, I have personally not received any of the Handshake funds and won't in the forseeable future either.

[nutildah]

Right well anyways.

Good to see there's still active development in this coin even though the trade volume is almost nil. Given what just happened with Counterparty (XCP) recently, anything's possible for one of the first, functional altcoins. Here's hoping it enjoys some sort of renaissance.

[BayAreaCoins]

Right well anyways.

Good to see there's still active development in this coin even though the trade volume is almost nil. Given what just happened with Counterparty (XCP) recently, anything's possible for one of the first, functional altcoins. Here's hoping it enjoys some sort of renaissance.

We need more people willing to sell Namecoin for any price and people willing to buy Namecoin for whatever price.

That's what makes a market!  Thankfully, Namecoin has several different arenas to choose from even now.

https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/Namecoin

It's just unimaginable to me that we live in a world that values NFT Punk MS Paint drawings more than Namecoin... it has to be short-lived.  I expect big things for Namecoin still.

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

Have any of the Namecoin camps, either the main group or Trade Runner, been in contact with this lady?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Elbakyan

Thanks for sharing! Anyway, I haven't had any contact, and to be honest: I'd prefer not to support intentional copyright infringement. Generally Namecoin would be the solution for such scenarios, but on the other hand it would harm Namecoin's reputation as well.

You have been doing good work which I'm glad somebody is doing, but that's as silly a comment as I've seen recently.

She is supporting open access to subscription science articles/journals.

At present it is expensive for amateurs to get some material. A lot is available at sites like PubMed https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ and other specialty sites, but a lot of material is hidden from easy access by financial barriers.

This is an extension of colonial attempts to maintain power in the melting pot, and prevent tribal entities and smaller countries from getting on equal footing.

If you live in a remote part of Vietnam, and your kid asks you for a way to access a $30 article you could say "okay, lets go without food for three days'.

In the U.S. a poor person would tell his kid '$30??? are you crazy? That's almost three packs of cigarettes. Go cut grass for an afternoon and make the money yourself'.

A two tiered system is best, where people with plenty of money can simply log in to a site with no worries and get whatever articles they want for an amount of money that is trivial, and people in less moneyed places or situations can take a trivial risk to get equivalent access.

The alternative, if people want to force a single tier, is zero subscription services after things shake out.

That girl's objective is open access to science information, and anybody should support that.

There are a lot of things a developer could do to promote her project. Create a Namecoin clone/fork with a small premine and give it to her to create a network containing only science journals, she could use the premine to buy long term server space, and supporters could use her coin. She would have more real regular users on her network then most coins have, if it were a secure network. If her coin were completely interoperable with Namecoin browser extensions and a person could flip back and forth between 'networks' without regard to 'currencies' it would give a practical touch to the pathetic digital economy.

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

Ok, it seems so we need a little legal and political excursion here. Copyright is the right to determine when, where and how an intellectual property may be distributed under which conditions. Now a Robin Hood of the internet like you comes and says: “No, I’m gonna determine this from now on. Because readers from Vietnam (and Africa and from wherever) are so poor, they (and, by the way, of course everyone from everywhere in the world) obtain now the permanent right of free and unlimited downloads – even though the original publisher charged a fee for downloading because he, his wife and his kids need a place to sleep and something to eat (which, by the way, is much more expensive in his country than it is in Vietnam, but that doesn't matter to me either). And because we have such a nice distributed network like Namecoin (and good working browser add-ons thanks to Trade Runner from Bitcointalk, who brought Namecoin finally back to life), we gonna use this network for the free distribution of everything. I think even movies and music should be distributed for free because other people in this world are so poor, and so we leverage the principle of capitalism using Namecoin, which as you know is backed by the powerful Bitcoin network.”

Well, that's not how things work! A scientist working on which study ever has to know and to accept that some scientific material is not for free. What you also didn't consider is that the scientist from Vietnam also needs even more a regular income after his publication – but according to your argumentation, his work would also have to be provided for free download as well, even though this scientist would need every single penny to survive. With Namecoin, in your opinion, a parallel society is to be built according to the principle of socialism, everyone gets everything for free, but also nothing for their work. History has shown us impressively that this doesn’t work. And hopefully Namecoin will never be used to build such a parallel universe!

There are different classes of 'things'. Some are properly controlled and restricted, some not.

It doesn't really matter whether anybody can download a movie or music for free. If you can't download one movie or music then download another.

Things like food are on the other end of the spectrum from movies. It is fine to take measures to increase a stranger's access to food, if you feel charitable, but restricting their access to food is proper grounds for war.

Scientific information is like digital food. If you restrict a group's or person's access to scientific information you are impeding their future survival.

Your comparison to socialism is asinine. There are no scientists worldwide, zero, who need income from articles to survive. Much less any in Vietnam. If a scientist claims he will starve if people don't buy his or her articles, he or she is lying and should be working at some other job anyway.

I don't really care whether that person uses Namecoin, it seems like an appropriate use of Namecoin, but it isn't my business what somebody else does to further their idea.

Your defense of copyrights as applied to science articles paints you as a corporate hack. You should re examine your philosophy in that regard or return to developing when you are a little older and less prone to the influence of corporate propaganda.

[benzi]

Right well anyways.

Good to see there's still active development in this coin even though the trade volume is almost nil. Given what just happened with Counterparty (XCP) recently, anything's possible for one of the first, functional altcoins. Here's hoping it enjoys some sort of renaissance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIfzyYT1Oho

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

The community wants to thank ...

The community also wants to thank...

You have zero friends Kip.

There is no community outside of your imagination.

And I'd rather have small real books with hard work than big fake books with big fake volume.  It's funny you think you can hate on me for being honest + hard working.

You clearly have a screw loose.  Back on the ignore list you go fuck face!

The community wants to tell you to go fuck yourself Kip!

Put me on your ignore list too please.

thanks

No thanks, you'll need to earn that.

I try to only ignore people that bring absolutely nothing to the table conversation wise or extortionist or people that think Craig Wright is Satoshi!

If you are banning people who bring nothing to the table then you are going to have to ban yourself.

At least TradeRunner is making substantial improvements.

[BayAreaCoins]

If you are banning people who bring nothing to the table then you are going to have to ban yourself.

You're welcome to check out what I (we) contribute at:  https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/Namecoin

It's free to try (if you use the faucet) and see how it works.  Withdrawals are instant for most transactions.  Miners are welcome to mine directly to their Namecoin account on FreeBitcoins too.

Our bitcointalk thread can be found here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111785

At least TradeRunner is making substantial improvements.

Wtf are you talking about?  I can't even fathom what you are smoking! Or maybe I'm missing something about TradeRunner besides the fact that he's an extortionist nobody who is actively breaking laws to attacking my websites SEO (lol, loser!), do you have a link to these "substantial improvements"?

Your account was created in 2021 and you're just casually talking about Mikhai Sindeyev in your post history! ... sure  Bahaha you have got to be an alt!!!  Get on your main account and talk.  Thanks.  

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

If you are banning people who bring nothing to the table then you are going to have to ban yourself.

You're welcome to check out what I (we) contribute at:  https://freebitcoins.com/xchange/market/Namecoin

It's free to try (if you use the faucet) and see how it works.  Withdrawals are instant for most transactions.  Miners are welcome to mine directly to their Namecoin account on FreeBitcoins too.

Our bitcointalk thread can be found here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5111785

At least TradeRunner is making substantial improvements.

Wtf are you talking about?  I can't even fathom what you are smoking! Or maybe I'm missing something about TradeRunner besides the fact that he's an extortionist nobody who is actively breaking laws to attacking my websites SEO (lol, loser!), do you have a link to these "substantial improvements"?

Your account was created in 2021 and you're just casually talking about Mikhai Sindeyev in your post history! ... sure  Bahaha you have got to be an alt!!!  Get on your main account and talk.  Thanks.  

I have dozens of accounts and they will all say the same thing, you contribute nothing useful. You are the typical coin whore with no ideas except how to make money.

Snailbrain and Domob and Biolizard are slacking a bit but they have worked for years on this coin. TradeRunner is developing alternate paths meanwhile and if a Namecoin browser extension ever gets mainstreamed and easy to use people will start making .bit websites seriously.

[BayAreaCoins]

I have dozens of accounts and they will all say the same thing, you contribute nothing useful.

It's not shocking that dozens of accounts would say the same thing when they have a single operator.  

Snailbrain

I'm not a Snailbrain fan.  I feel like I lost +60 BTC trusting his word he wouldn't give up on HUC.  I wouldn't trust or touch that Xayan stuff if you gave it to me for free.  It's quiet clear that Snailbrain leads the pump n dump crew of the Namecoin dev circle.  He has a new project every other month to raise funds or earn more premined coins.

I don't think Snailbrain is a scammer, but I wouldn't involve myself with anything he's heavily involved in.  He had a shitty attitude, didn't bring much to the table, and didn't do what he said he would do quite blatantly with Huntercoin.

Domob and Biolizard are slacking a bit but they have worked for years on this coin.

Yes, Domob has always been quality and Biolizard has done a good job as far as I'm concerned.  That's why letting them be attacked by TradeRunner and his alts is absolutely unacceptable.

TradeRunner is developing alternate paths meanwhile and if a Namecoin browser extension ever gets mainstreamed and easy to use people will start making .bit websites seriously.

How do you know this?  Can you provide a link that shows some code?

The only thing I've seen is Namecoin.pro and it looks like a 3rd world 11th grade student made that website... the website offers no online tools and offers sketchy download links.

It would be amazing if he actually was doing something positive or coding something that could help the future, but all I see is him bringing discord to this forum, promote a fake telegram that he rules with some iron fist, attacking users/developers, and attacking services that use Namecoin with automation (which is unlawful)....

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

I have dozens of accounts and they will all say the same thing, you contribute nothing useful.

It's not shocking that dozens of accounts would say the same thing when they have a single operator.  

Snailbrain

I'm not a Snailbrain fan.  I feel like I lost +60 BTC trusting his word he wouldn't give up on HUC.  I wouldn't trust or touch that Xayan stuff if you gave it to me for free.  It's quiet clear that Snailbrain leads the pump n dump crew of the Namecoin dev circle.  He has a new project every other month to raise funds or earn more premined coins.

I don't think Snailbrain is a scammer, but I wouldn't involve myself with anything he's heavily involved in.  He had a shitty attitude, didn't bring much to the table, and didn't do what he said he would do quite blatantly with Huntercoin.

Domob and Biolizard are slacking a bit but they have worked for years on this coin.

Yes, Domob has always been quality and Biolizard has done a good job as far as I'm concerned.  That's why letting them be attacked by TradeRunner and his alts is absolutely unacceptable.

TradeRunner is developing alternate paths meanwhile and if a Namecoin browser extension ever gets mainstreamed and easy to use people will start making .bit websites seriously.

How do you know this?  Can you provide a link that shows some code?

The only thing I've seen is Namecoin.pro and it looks like a 3rd world 11th grade student made that website... the website offers no online tools and offers sketchy download links.

It would be amazing if he actually was doing something positive or coding something that could help the future, but all I see is him bringing discord to this forum, promote a fake telegram that he rules with some iron fist, attacking users/developers, and attacking services using automation (which is unlawful)....

In the past Snailbrain was usually the person in front of Huntercoin, an easy target for anybody who wanted a person to criticize. A lot of people have made money with coins but nobody has ever become popular for long by being the public face of a coin. "Satoshi" wasn't stupid. Domob and biolizard are more polite and don't try to be too visible.

TradeRunner is actually doing things, and he appears to be working mostly on his own. If you want him to do the work of three people or ten then pay some developers to help him if he wants.

[BayAreaCoins]

In the past Snailbrain was usually the person in front of Huntercoin, an easy target for anybody who wanted a person to criticize.

Lol, no I spoke to Snailbrain on Skype and I feel that he didn't do what he said he intend on doing.  His account was always set to "tired".  I believe he lived at his grandmas (or whatever) house.  I think some of it is just their culture across the pond, but things like that... just bothered me.  It's none of my business frankly, but it's stuff I base investments off and projects I think will do well.

So my opinion is based on actual interactions and such... Not just "ooo I did bad in HUC, boohoo, I hate you!"  I don't cry over spilled Bitcoin, but it does annoy me when someone doesn't follow through, however, I understand not wanting to beat a dead horse.

TradeRunner is actually doing things, and he appears to be working mostly on his own. If you want him to do the work of three people or ten then pay some developers to help him if he wants.

How do you know?  Are you guys offline besties?  Can you provide any links?  (I've asked this multiple times now)

Maybe he'd be able to raise some donations if he was doing something other than being an extortionist!  (It pays better to help than to hurt usually!)

[UsernameNumber7]

For the Record the Only people with any credibility are DoMob AND BioLizzard..............


https://github.com/orgs/namecoin/repositories



Attacking people personally using a likely set up as BioLizzard showed here


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.msg57334158#msg57334158



Trade Runner you are running talking of Forking DoMobs and J.R.'s and others work after they get it set?  Only a fool would follow you, but I did think the website video was a nice try..........namecoin.pro



Jeremy Rand is the one doing all the work to make integration possible within Tor Browser?  WTF are you gonna DO??  Where is your Browser plugin Repository at so I can look at it???


Domob and Jeremy Rand have a real WORK history on Github.........where is yours??

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

Lol, no I spoke to Snailbrain on Skype and I feel that he didn't do what he said he intend on doing.  His account was always set to "tired".  I believe he lived at his grandmas (or whatever) house.  I think some of it is just their culture across the pond, but things like that... just bothered me.  It's none of my business frankly, but it's stuff I base investments off and projects I think will do well.

So my opinion is based on actual interactions and such... Not just "ooo I did bad in HUC, boohoo, I hate you!"  I don't cry over spilled Bitcoin, but it does annoy me when someone doesn't follow through, however, I understand not wanting to beat a dead horse.

He does his work, whether with Huc or Nmc or Xaya and is not your personal account manager.

If something changes in his plans for a coin then he is not obligated to give you first notice.

How do you know?  Are you guys offline besties?  Can you provide any links?  (I've asked this multiple times now)

Maybe he'd be able to raise some donations if he was doing something other than being an extortionist!  (It pays better to help than to hurt usually!)

I've never had any contacts with anybody on this thread on any other forum nor anywhere else, aside from possibly twitter exchanges with biolizard long ago and maybe with the Vancouver bitcoin guy.

~

For the Record the Only people with any credibility are DoMob AND BioLizzard..............
https://github.com/orgs/namecoin/repositories

Attacking people personally using a likely set up as BioLizzard showed here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.msg57334158#msg57334158

Trade Runner you are running talking of Forking DoMobs and J.R.'s and others work after they get it set?  Only a fool would follow you, but I did think the website video was a nice try..........namecoin.pro

Jeremy Rand is the one doing all the work to make integration possible within Tor Browser?  WTF are you gonna DO??  Where is your Browser plugin Repository at so I can look at it???

Domob and Jeremy Rand have a real WORK history on Github.........where is yours??

It isn't clear what you mean by linking to that previous comment by biolizard.

DNS is a very crooked field, and has immense implications politically. There are lots of players/actors with vast sums of money and complicated experience who are dedicated to preventing any threat to the current DNS system.

Biolizard appears to be pointing out that unless I am misinterpreting.

As for TradeRunner forking Namecoin code or whatever, what do you think is the point of decentralizing? If somebody wants to make a private code repository and hide their work from people who don't pay then Github is the wrong place to do that.

The main Namecoin crew, Domob, Biolizard and others, have done an immense amount of work, with a vast state apparatus working against them.

Nobody would minimize their work.

TradeRunner is one person with minimal financial resources trying to clean up the field as he sees it. He'll either succeed or he won't, but either way he is not a threat to any real work that has been done, and he is the only person stirring things up at the moment.

You are picking the side which you think is more powerful, nothing wrong with that, but you never know how things will shake out.

~

By the way, just as additional info: even though you can't see it from the outside, the site behind namecoin.pro is a highly scalable community website with integrated personal email accounts, personal webspace, community- and wiki-pages and so on....

Empire building conflicts with decentralization obviously.

You are making a Namecoin website which has subsections which let people make websites on your website?

[BayAreaCoins]

I've never had any contacts with anybody on this thread on any other forum nor anywhere else, aside from possibly twitter exchanges with biolizard long ago and maybe with the Vancouver bitcoin guy.

So then you don't know because you've never seen any of TradeRunners code?

That's what I thought. 

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

I don't know yet, at the moment I plan to open a public community section (forum) first. I'm still thinking whether to open it separately under namecoin.pro or as a subsection of another community portal. Creating pages/blogs will of course be possible. But at the moment I don't plan to offer full hosting services for .bit websites. But a .bit mail system is on my to-do list.

A forum about all decentralized dns projects, including namecoin, would be good, and could hit it big if there is ever some surprize news regarding centralized dns. It would probably never happen, but having a site set up awaiting such an unlikely even would be like holding a smart lottery ticket.

Still, it seems the big roadblock is that the cost is denominated in nmc, and the second roadblock is simplicity since the process has to be very simple to ever catch on, and a third roadblock is that social things like web networks need to reach a critical mass of genuine users before most people have any interest.

The third issue is always solved in the crypto community by building fake user bases and incentivizing them with cash. That works well with shitcoins that are designed to disappear once the dev can cash out, but most people spot that kind of fraud.

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

The third issue is always solved in the crypto community by building fake user bases and incentivizing them with cash.

Fake users will never create any valuable content, so this is certainly not my concept.

That's not what I mean.

Every day 200,000 people start websites and projects which they think will be the next Google.

None of them succeed.

The only path is to either go the scam route, as crypto currencies usually do, or to find a genuine use case and build it.

Most people do not really have an interest in 'freedom of speech' unless it involves their interest, like buying drugs. Now marijuana is legalized so that crew shrinks down to people who want to buy heroin or whatever, a smaller group because government has absorbed all the weed smokers by making it legal.

What is a use case which most people support, but which is prevented by government?

That girl who wants to provide access to subscription science articles is one example.

Namecoin itself is a nebulous project with great goals but no practical use, and not even an example of a practical use.

That girl's project is an example of a practical project that does not yet have a sub economy which would be necessary for its success.

How long would it take a developer to make a clone of Namecoin, but adapt all of the features to that specific use and maintain all the positive features of the original nmc like the high hash rate from merged mining, along with each wallet having the option to interact with the other chain, like a bitcoin cash but not entirely divergent?

~

Another option is to find some other group which has a genuine taste for, or use for, a network which cannot be easily controlled. Ideally most people would prefer that. Psychologically it is healthier for people to prefer independence over security and authority, but you really only find that in young people who have a sense of freedom. In industrialized society that is not even most young people, it is a small subset, but it exists. Portland famously has an influential 'anarchist' community.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/11/1014967393/where-portland-oregon-stands-a-year-after-being-a-protest-hotspot

A problem with marketing to that audience is that you will attract a lot of attention from law enforcement types. The U.S. spends a vast amount of money against anything which empowers groups like that, and any crowd that uses the word 'anarchist' is 50% undercover cops. The good news there is that undercover cops are generous donors. For decades the biggest single source of income for the U.S. communist party was undercover fbi agents.

If you are in a country that requires a major crime for extradition you could easily contact members of that community and discuss things. All of your communication with them will be monitored by the U.S. government of course, and you are likely to be dealing with a high percentage of cops, but if you handle it smartly and understand anarchist values it could benefit everyone.

~

Once there is some small group which is generally respected, and which actually uses Namecoin in a beneficial way, then there will be a second group much more easily, and a third group etc.

[Abcdefghijklmnzzz]

Your false assumption behind this conspiracy theory is that a paywall would have been created by any government for the purpose of displacing poor countries, making the rich richer and the poor poorer. But this is ridiculous. Paywalls are simply services to generate revenue for digital publications. It's the same as online shopping or digital distribution. Anarchy would just mean freeing up all local or digital stores for plundering, and welcome back to the Stone Age!

It is a strategic thing for industrialized countries to enforce copyright protections on scientific writing.

It lets industrialized countries limit the sharing of their science to among themselves while having full access to any scientific material from developing countries.

Look at the vast government resources being poured into clever copyright maneuvers by Australia and the U.S.

It is not some random commercial issue, it is a strategy.

Paywalls are fine for luxury goods, but preventing scientific knowledge from transferring to developing nations is improper and will wash away.

What do you mean with "interact with the other chain"? Cross-chain trades? I wouldn't consider this as a usefull goal of a blockchain DNS. Namecoin can be mined together with all SHA 256 encoded currencies by the way, and a non-negligible percentage is mined on the Bitcoin Cash chain. Blockchain domains have their main use cases for projects with problems of seized domains through restrictive dictatorships. It's not the goal of the Namecoin project to overrule and to circumvent the applicable law of civilized states (what, by the way, was one of the reasons that the .bit domain resolution through the OpenNIC project has been dropped).

Like all coins, there are some features in Namecoin that do or don't appeal to some other group.

In this case, a currency / network made for pirate girl to offer science journals might have different parameters than the original namecoin.

So, for example, there could be a different block time, a free creation of .bit2 names if she finds some other way to limit spam, an organization of second level domains like .anthropology.bit2 or .biology.bit2, or any other features.

But it should have also the benefits which come with regular namecoin, such as high hashing power and the ability to interact with the original nmc .bit network if the person using that wallet wants.

Cross chain trades is trivial and requires some decentralization and doesn't add much.

Most importantly, she would actually attract use of her network. If she put out a simple browser, or partnered with mozilla or whoever, and had a full feature browser that seamlessly browsed between science journal network and icann network, with the ability to add other private networks at the discretion of users, she would easily have many thousands of users. Add a feature like the bat token used on the brave browser and you have the beginning of a human input coin network, going where mikhail sindeyev was heading with huntercoin, but taking the scenic route.

It would attract hostile attention from governments, and whoever tries to do it will probably be killed, but it would be interesting.

[nutildah]

Namecoin itself is a nebulous project with great goals but no practical use, and not even an example of a practical use.

So the whole ".bit" extension thing is dead in the water then? Or is it simply not practical at the present time?

Why do these bags of shit delete posts that are not their own.

Because somebody reported your posts as off-topic (indeed the post in itself has nothing to do with Namecoin, so there you go). The post I quoted above will probably be deleted as well.