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August 15, 2014, 01:42:55 PM
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Here's some interesting reading:  https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/forgers-have-been-faced-with-a-choice/220/

50,000,000 NXT was just stollen from bter account and the community is wrestling with a blockchain rollback decision. Sound familiar?

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August 15, 2014, 01:49:40 PM
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I asked twice for a Vericoin logo like "We Support Vericoin" to add it to my b2b Website, Fb and mail signature (I have nothing to do with grafik design).
I haven't even got an answer. It's so easy to promote Vericoin in a big community with small things like this, but the basics don't seem to be as interesting as a "World Vericoin Day".
I'm out, good luck!


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August 15, 2014, 01:59:13 PM
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Here's some interesting reading:  https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/forgers-have-been-faced-with-a-choice/220/

50,000,000 NXT was just stollen from bter account and the community is wrestling with a blockchain rollback decision. Sound familiar?

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-2-5b/  rollback wallet released.

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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.
Mintpal happend. Also would it be a good idea to setup a site dedicated for first time users? So when people recieve there paperwallet, direct them to that site?

Doesn't matter what you do with that few paper wallets and where you redirect them. You need at least 1 million $ investment, that few paper wallets won't make any differences.

You are wrong about Mintpal Sir. Perhaps Mintpal happened too, but what really happened I can tell you. What really happened is that many young delusional, over ambitious men met here and they have no idea what are they doing and talking about. I will tell you how do I know this. I visited the vericoin IRC channel about 3-4 days ago. Actually I think you and a user Galix had having a conversation there. Galix, a 23 years old guy started to explain he has a great idea, to build some new feature on the block chain, hire a developer and this new decentralized software module will sky rocket the price. Being a software person, wrote my first software program in 1969, modified lately many bitcoin pieces and libs to ARM core to run on Raspberry PI and Beaglebone Black I was curious what the "community" will tell this 23 years old Galix guy. What happened was, no one said to Galix that fuck-off, read up on at least how software development works and come back with a realistic and doable idea, but a long 30 minutes discussion started how great the idea was and how this will transfer vericoin. Look back the IRC log and you will see that I am not talking bollocks. It was bizarre that grown up men talk about some absolute bollocks. One would think AI bots talk to push the price up and try convince potential investors in case if one that kind is in the IRC room.

I read back a few pages just now. There is Buy4Crypto, he wrote several big posts about how to do business and what needs to be done with vericoin. I said, fuck me, this guy knows his stuff. Then he pushed his web site link so I took a look at it. You should do too. Buy4Crypto's web site is everything what a web site should not be in 2014. I can't even describe how bad it is, if my 16 years old grand son would give me that shit I would kick his ass very hard for that. That's not all, Buy4Crypto wrote in the next post that sorry, he can't pay for some printing job because he doesn't have money right now. Really, so your business has the most embarrassing web site, you don't have $500 and you are a VeriLeader and defining the business strategy of vericoin?

That's not all Sir, the German VeriLeader Reavon published a white paper you could read about it a few pages back. He calls that pdf white paper. That's one of the most embarrassing piece of material I have ever seen and I had seen many thousands high level software documents and currently that white paper associates with vericoin.

These guys Galix, Buy4Crypto, Reavon are the VeriLeaders. If these guys are the verileaders what you can expect from the community?

I am absolutely amazed that your young age bring out such enthusiasm and of course the energy is great, but it's just unreal how delusional this community is. Perhaps you will get lucky and whales will pump the price time to time, I will be happy for you, I have a few coins so that will be great, but this coin never will be top 5 with this delusional community.

Sorry if being too critical, I like to drink and when I do I speak out my mind  Cheesy ignore this long rant if you think you are OK and you're heading to the right direction.

VeriLeader doesnt mean i have to be a Pro, it is just a programm where people with a big commitment to vericoin can convince people in their region, who are also interest in crypto, to deal with vericoin understand the benifits of PoS.

And my "whitepaper"... Ok first of all i truely apolegize missused the word "whitepaper" for that piece of crap i wrote really...
But before i published it i told everyone not to expect to much , read my statement on veritalk, i not a computer scientiest, i am not a pro in Cryptoworld but i have heart i and i sat some days on that few Sites i wrote. There for i gave it to the community , i shared my thoughts, i wanted people to tell me that it is shit or not and than i wanted them to make it better , i beg for it.

zsp because you tell me the truth about my failed writing , i thank you for that.
But please if your are really that old and wise , you could use some wiser words to share you thoughts with us i am really not used to that such old people talk like that or am i to conservativ?

About the veriLeader programm , yes i am a veriLeader, but only for germany in my town, and at the bitcoin conference in collogne. Those are the only places i call my self a representant of vericoin, else where i am shit, here on the forum i am Reavon and if you have questions ask me and you will know my opinion but not really what the devs are thinking, i am not close to the devs and they dont talk to me everyday, they are to busy anyway i dont want to bother them to much.

So if you really measure the success of vericoin by my or any other communitymembers activity here or  on the irc
than you not so smart as you think you are.

Besides there are a tone more and better community member than me who created wonderfull stuff
like what Kevando , socal , shinraven and many many others have done i just wanted to contribute my part.


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August 15, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
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Here's some interesting reading:  https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/forgers-have-been-faced-with-a-choice/220/

50,000,000 NXT was just stollen from bter account and the community is wrestling with a blockchain rollback decision. Sound familiar?

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-2-5b/  rollback wallet released.

Holy crap- same as giving in to terrorists (not that the hacker isn't one). In a case like this- i would absolutely side with a decision to do a rollback. If ransoms start getting paid, well, we all know what will start to happen.
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August 15, 2014, 02:44:51 PM
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Here's some interesting reading:  https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/forgers-have-been-faced-with-a-choice/220/

50,000,000 NXT was just stollen from bter account and the community is wrestling with a blockchain rollback decision. Sound familiar?

https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-2-5b/  rollback wallet released.

Holy crap- same as giving in to terrorists (not that the hacker isn't one). In a case like this- i would absolutely side with a decision to do a rollback. If ransoms start getting paid, well, we all know what will start to happen.

Yes indeed! It's was a hard decision here and an even harder one there. Until exchanges get the message and start taking security seriously, we haven't seen the last of these incidents. Did you read the part about Lin from Bter using the same password throughout the exchange and accounts? It's things like this that keep the doors open for theft. Our industry needs to grow up and bite the bullet on security and 2FA should be required everywhere money or value is stored, held or manipulated.

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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.

They decided to save an exchange and to tarnish the image of coin as a free and decentralized currency..
Faith in Vrc dropped like a stone , price went after.

Nxt in the next trying to do the same stunt.

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August 15, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
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I asked twice for a Vericoin logo like "We Support Vericoin" to add it to my b2b Website, Fb and mail signature (I have nothing to do with grafik design).
I haven't even got an answer. It's so easy to promote Vericoin in a big community with small things like this, but the basics don't seem to be as interesting as a "World Vericoin Day".
I'm out, good luck!


thats good.. upon reading your suggestion yesterday i added the vericoin.info to my page (twitter, fb)..
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August 15, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
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this is not normal guys , some team of super hackers tries to fuck with cryptoscene... Maybe a headhunt ordert by goverment?

We need to take all our coins from exchanges and investigate whats goin on !!!
An alliance of Crypto is need who strikes back , when every there is an attack on a coin through stealing it on a exchange
and we need dezentralised and easy to use exchanges fast!
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this is not normal guys , some team of super hackers tries to fuck with cryptoscene... Maybe a headhunt ordert by goverment?

We need to take all our coins from exchanges and investigate whats goin on !!!
An alliance of Crypto is need who strikes back , when every there is an attack on a coin through stealing it on a exchange
and we need dezentralised and easy to use exchanges fast!
which coin/exchange got hacked this time..

bter - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740147.0

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this is not normal guys , some team of super hackers tries to fuck with cryptoscene... Maybe a headhunt ordert by goverment?

We need to take all our coins from exchanges and investigate whats goin on !!!
An alliance of Crypto is need who strikes back , when every there is an attack on a coin through stealing it on a exchange
and we need dezentralised and easy to use exchanges fast!
which coin/exchange got hacked this time..

bter - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740147.0



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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.
Mintpal happend. Also would it be a good idea to setup a site dedicated for first time users? So when people recieve there paperwallet, direct them to that site?

Doesn't matter what you do with that few paper wallets and where you redirect them. You need at least 1 million $ investment, that few paper wallets won't make any differences.

You are wrong about Mintpal Sir. Perhaps Mintpal happened too, but what really happened I can tell you. What really happened is that many young delusional, over ambitious men met here and they have no idea what are they doing and talking about. I will tell you how do I know this. I visited the vericoin IRC channel about 3-4 days ago. Actually I think you and a user Galix had having a conversation there. Galix, a 23 years old guy started to explain he has a great idea, to build some new feature on the block chain, hire a developer and this new decentralized software module will sky rocket the price. Being a software person, wrote my first software program in 1969, modified lately many bitcoin pieces and libs to ARM core to run on Raspberry PI and Beaglebone Black I was curious what the "community" will tell this 23 years old Galix guy. What happened was, no one said to Galix that fuck-off, read up on at least how software development works and come back with a realistic and doable idea, but a long 30 minutes discussion started how great the idea was and how this will transfer vericoin. Look back the IRC log and you will see that I am not talking bollocks. It was bizarre that grown up men talk about some absolute bollocks. One would think AI bots talk to push the price up and try convince potential investors in case if one that kind is in the IRC room.

I read back a few pages just now. There is Buy4Crypto, he wrote several big posts about how to do business and what needs to be done with vericoin. I said, fuck me, this guy knows his stuff. Then he pushed his web site link so I took a look at it. You should do too. Buy4Crypto's web site is everything what a web site should not be in 2014. I can't even describe how bad it is, if my 16 years old grand son would give me that shit I would kick his ass very hard for that. That's not all, Buy4Crypto wrote in the next post that sorry, he can't pay for some printing job because he doesn't have money right now. Really, so your business has the most embarrassing web site, you don't have $500 and you are a VeriLeader and defining the business strategy of vericoin?

That's not all Sir, the German VeriLeader Reavon published a white paper you could read about it a few pages back. He calls that pdf white paper. That's one of the most embarrassing piece of material I have ever seen and I had seen many thousands high level software documents and currently that white paper associates with vericoin.

These guys Galix, Buy4Crypto, Reavon are the VeriLeaders. If these guys are the verileaders what you can expect from the community?

I am absolutely amazed that your young age bring out such enthusiasm and of course the energy is great, but it's just unreal how delusional this community is. Perhaps you will get lucky and whales will pump the price time to time, I will be happy for you, I have a few coins so that will be great, but this coin never will be top 5 with this delusional community.

Sorry if being too critical, I like to drink and when I do I speak out my mind  Cheesy ignore this long rant if you think you are OK and you're heading to the right direction.

Being critical is one think, appreciated -when coming from knowledge and experience- by some, me included.

Posting idiotic rants while under teh obvious influence of alcohol or whatever, is something else altogether... and not deserving of a second more.
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August 15, 2014, 03:16:02 PM
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Barabbas i am veri confused about you buddy on whichs side are you exactly?
Pro vericoin? Critic on vericoin? I am to lazy to read you essays Cheesy
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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.

They decided to save an exchange and to tarnish the image of coin as a free and decentralized currency..
Faith in Vrc dropped like a stone , price went after.

Nxt in the next trying to do the same stunt.




Since every dev of every coin, can make a rollback, the 100% free decentralized currency is a myth.

Btc have a rollback too.





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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.

They decided to save an exchange and to tarnish the image of coin as a free and decentralized currency..
Faith in Vrc dropped like a stone , price went after.

Nxt in the next trying to do the same stunt.




Since every dev of every coin, can make a rollback, the 100% free decentralized currency is a myth.

Btc have a rollback too.






Actually not.
Bitcoin was rollbacked in a stadium where everyone who has dealed with bitcoin stayed tuned everyday on new wallet releases. Therefore it was possible to do so back than.

Now they couldnt never ever rollback for mtGox because , bitcoin is to big to fail right now , i hope everyone knows that. The only thing could kill bitcoin is a EMP world wide that kills every asicminer but one which has the most power than. Or a quantumcomputer...O.o(maybe i dont know)
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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.

They decided to save an exchange and to tarnish the image of coin as a free and decentralized currency..
Faith in Vrc dropped like a stone , price went after.

Nxt in the next trying to do the same stunt.




Since every dev of every coin, can make a rollback, the 100% free decentralized currency is a myth.

Btc have a rollback too.






Actually rollback is about consensus and not dev decision. If miners/wallets wont update to a rollbacked fork, there is no rollback.

With vrc the devs decided with exchanges to fork. After that you cant send non-forked coins to exchange and therefore making them worthless. At least NXT is having a conversation about pros and cons, and not a handful of guys deciding.

In PoW this would be more difficult as the miners who have been rewarded coins for mining would probably not agree as easily to lose their mined coins. So this rollback thingie is more a problem with PoS as there is nothing at stake in rolling back. And after VRC, the pandoras box is opened.
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So what happened to the price Huh Last time, 7 weeks ago when I logged in the talk was about 100K Sat price, vericoin will be in the top 3 currencies, the market cap is going to be 20 million by September. Yesterday was a big party here and everyone celebrated the 15K price. What happened in a short time since the end of June that the plans and expectations have changed so much? The question is of course academic and you should ask from yourself boys and girls even not too many hot ladies here  Cool, what happened that you are where you're.
Mintpal happend. Also would it be a good idea to setup a site dedicated for first time users? So when people recieve there paperwallet, direct them to that site?

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Being critical is one think, appreciated -when coming from knowledge and experience- by some, me included.

Posting idiotic rants while under teh obvious influence of alcohol or whatever, is something else altogether... and not deserving of a second more.

Yeah I shouldn't act like an idiot asshole, sorry for that foolish post. Galix, Buy4Crypto, Reavon, Barrabas are all nice, enthusiastic guys willing to work for vericoin and you are right such idiotic critical post doesn't add anything to the process. Go vericoin!  Cheesy
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About the hack at Next...

First of all, I believe NXT had, by leaps and bounds, the best platform in crypto. But the project has a very serious problem: Distribution. Some 71-72 people actually own the thing (90% of it anyway) and those same people are collecting 99% of all the "forging" (staking). That is the only reason I haven't supported and invested in NXT other than a few quick trades in the past.

Second of all, major as it is, the hack cannot be compared to the one VRC suffered since this ones has come up with 5% of NXT while "ours" took 30% and control of the coin without roll back. Not the same thing at all. Same TYPE of thing.

Thirdly, it appears that they have decided to roll back. Like when it happened here, I believe not cave in and rewarding the thief is the proper course of action. Always. No exceptions.

If anything, we can learn one lesson I have been trying to hammer here for a while now: The idea of so called "decentralized exchanges" do not work and will not work and the only thing they do is take time and resources away. Once again, VRC should focus efforts in becoming the clean brand in crypto and that the wallets are the best that they can be. Anything else, everyone is already working on it -wasting their time and resources- and everyone will be able to simply copy/paste the best, more proven of them, in the near future, from so called "anon" to "decentralized exchanges" to that thing we are trying to copy from PINK in which a password or sorts will be linked to the wallet address. First, we will save time and resources needed in other areas and, more importantly, we should give the credit where it is due. Oh, and by the way, our "multipool" (Dave, Dave, Dave) is atrocious (when it works, which is not often). Obviously we have some quite basic work to do...

Now, I won't make any more comments here about that because they have their own thread and I would suggest those so inclined to post their opinions or comments over there. We are rather busy here trying to keep the interest in OUR coin that only hours ago was being "hacked", so to speak, by total indifference and despair.

As I have anticipated, be prepared to be disappointed by the "secret weapons" announcements coming up. But don't despair because it appears the dev team is behind the latest branding ideas and, if fully confirmed, and enthusiastically, we will have a huge promotional event taking place worldwide very soon and, with it, the interest and the new investors we know we absolutely need for, like the last crisis proved thoroughly, the community, as it stands now, being by far the strongest in crypto, is not nearly enough to keep VRC alive, let alone thrive.

And thrive it will if we supports smart actions to bring it to the people outside of crypto instead of catering to the retrogrades (or self called purists) that support the dark side of crypto, the fraudsters, scammers and hackers that have held and still hold crypto currencies up for ransom and stigmatized them in the view of general public AND corporate investors. We will seek to promote the clean, honest, transparent and secure brand. And I am quite sure people and investors both will respond positively.

Now devs, I would advise you remove the otherwise ugly and amateurish graphics that seem to indicate cloak and dagger, the zorro-like one and the other. As a matter of fact, anything black at all... including the tendency -that's not in the graphics, unfortunately, for they have the BEST logo in thbe world, not just in crypto- to follow on Blackcoin, from "roadmaps" with bars to actual content. That coin is doomed by their own corrupted devs and VRC should strive to stay away from any kind of associations of that nature.

Now, copying from PINK, a clean coin, is ok... as long as credit is due. I profoundly dislike Boxxa, he's an asshole, but he is also the creator of that password thingy that allows you to type something simple instead of the bunch of characters that are the address of the wallet. Copy it, if you must, but give credit where credit is due. We are the good guys, the ones setting new standards, remember? We should be able to give credit to whoever deserves it, even if he, as the case in point is, is an asshole.
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August 15, 2014, 03:57:09 PM
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About the hack at Next...

First of all, I believe NXT had, by leaps and bounds, the best platform in crypto. But the project has a very serious problem: Distribution. Some 71-72 people actually own the thing (90% of it anyway) and those same people are collecting 99% of all the "forging" (staking). That is the only reason I haven't supported and invested in NXT other than a few quick trades in the past.

Second of all, major as it is, the hack cannot be compared to the one VRC suffered since this ones has come up with 5% of NXT while "ours" took 30% and control of the coin without roll back. Not the same thing at all. Same TYPE of thing.

Thirdly, it appears that they have decided to roll back. Like when it happened here, I believe not cave in and rewarding the thief is the proper course of action. Always. No exceptions.

If anything, we can learn one lesson I have been trying to hammer here for a while now: The idea of so called "decentralized exchanges" do not work and will not work and the only thing they do is take time and resources away. Once again, VRC should focus efforts in becoming the clean brand in crypto and that the wallets are the best that they can be. Anything else, everyone is already working on it -wasting their time and resources- and everyone will be able to simply copy/paste the best, more proven of them, in the near future, from so called "anon" to "decentralized exchanges" to that thing we are trying to copy from PINK in which a password or sorts will be linked to the wallet address. First, we will save time and resources needed in other areas and, more importantly, we should give the credit where it is due. Oh, and by the way, our "multipool" (Dave, Dave, Dave) is atrocious (when it works, which is not often). Obviously we have some quite basic work to do...

Now, I won't make any more comments here about that because they have their own thread and I would suggest those so inclined to post their opinions or comments over there. We are rather busy here trying to keep the interest in OUR coin that only hours ago was being "hacked", so to speak, by total indifference and despair.

As I have anticipated, be prepared to be disappointed by the "secret weapons" announcements coming up. But don't despair because it appears the dev team is behind the latest branding ideas and, if fully confirmed, and enthusiastically, we will have a huge promotional event taking place worldwide very soon and, with it, the interest and the new investors we know we absolutely need for, like the last crisis proved thoroughly, the community, as it stands now, being by far the strongest in crypto, is not nearly enough to keep VRC alive, let alone thrive.

And thrive it will if we supports smart actions to bring it to the people outside of crypto instead of catering to the retrogrades (or self called purists) that support the dark side of crypto, the fraudsters, scammers and hackers that have held and still hold crypto currencies up for ransom and stigmatized them in the view of general public AND corporate investors. We will seek to promote the clean, honest, transparent and secure brand. And I am quite sure people and investors both will respond positively.

Now devs, I would advise you remove the otherwise ugly and amateurish graphics that seem to indicate cloak and dagger, the zorro-like one and the other. As a matter of fact, anything black at all... including the tendency -that's not in the graphics, unfortunately, for they have the BEST logo in thbe world, not just in crypto- to follow on Blackcoin, from "roadmaps" with bars to actual content. That coin is doomed by their own corrupted devs and VRC should strive to stay away from any kind of associations of that nature.

Now, copying from PINK, a clean coin, is ok... as long as credit is due. I profoundly dislike Boxxa, he's an asshole, but he is also the creator of that password thingy that allows you to type something simple instead of the bunch of characters that are the address of the wallet. Copy it, if you must, but give credit where credit is due. We are the good guys, the ones setting new standards, remember? We should be able to give credit to whoever deserves it, even if he, as the case in point is, is an asshole.

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