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July 14, 2014, 12:13:45 AM
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You have gone nuts man. We are to blame mintpal got hacked? I have heard it all now.

If everyone didn't leave massive amounts of coins on mintpal to day trade with, then we wouldn't be entertaining the idea of rolling back the blockchain. So yes. You're all to blame, whether directly or indirectly, you're to blame.

... along with mintpal for storing 8million coins in a hot wallet.

No exchange, no price and coins with no value. Have to applaud your brilliant accusations against the victims of this theft.  Roll Eyes

I'm saying DON'T LEAVE YOUR COINS THERE. I'm not saying exchanges should cease to exist. Although in fairness, the only exchanges should be p2p exchanges. But alas, one can dream.

Read what you want to read, believe what you want to believe... but don't for a second try to suggest that what I'm saying doesn't make sense.

If nobody leaves coins there, the exchanges will cease to exist. You are right, what you are saying doesn´t make sense.

And this is not about reading or believing, this is only logical. But please go on and throw some more dirt at the victims.

The exchanges would still exist. How can you not see this? Exchanges live off the fees gathered through trading, not from people leaving their coins in exchange wallets. It's REALLY fucking simple:
1) Go to exchange
2) Deposit to exchange
3) Make a trade = exchange gets fees
4) Withdraw from exchange

Everybody wins.

Yeah, great. Never could it happen that within this timeframe your funds get stolen. Again brilliant  Roll Eyes
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July 14, 2014, 12:16:04 AM
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Roll back the Blockchain -  deny the thief his spoils and return lost coins.  Coin can recover.

Don't roll back the Blockchain - likely(not with 100% certainty) to deny the thief his spoils by watchdogging where the coins go and victims get nothing returned to them.  Coin will definitely not recover.

You decide.





As much as I've been a supporter of VeriCoin... a fork to roll back the blockchain is a very tough pill to swallow. Have to say I'm with dadams.
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July 14, 2014, 12:16:56 AM
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An honest question, how many of you people here mad about VRC investors not getting cleaned out, lost money to gox or other scams?

Why are people so mad that VRC is young, and nimble enough to prevent theft?


Are you all serious? I never thought the community would gang up on the crypto trying to do the right then, when the crypto community should assist the developers in making it a solution that works

Times like this is when crypto can take a big step back, or a leap forward. It seems like many of the people who wish to see crypto succeed come here to see vericoin fail?

Mintpal messed up. Why are people attacking VRC like THEY DID IT???

People are horrible.

their pro fudders from blackcoin m8 trying to get u to sell vrc and buy their wonderfull coin.
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July 14, 2014, 12:17:39 AM
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An honest question, how many of you people here mad about VRC investors not getting cleaned out, lost money to gox or other scams?

Why are people so mad that VRC is young, and nimble enough to prevent theft?


Are you all serious? I never thought the community would gang up on the crypto trying to do the right then, when the crypto community should assist the developers in making it a solution that works

Times like this is when crypto can take a big step back, or a leap forward. It seems like many of the people who wish to see crypto succeed come here to see vericoin fail?

VRC did not avoid or prevent a theft.
The theft occurred and has been covered up.
This means the system that made the theft possible has been left uncorrected.
Now with all the bullshit and spin people are trying to act like this is a good thing.
This is not the solution.

Lecky is right.
Don't leave money on exchanges.
Have there not been enough examples already?
With this "fix" I fear people will do the reverse of learning the lesson.
This will just reinforce people using exchanges in this broken way.
It will excuse the exchange and they get a free pass.
This WILL happen again.
What then? Another rollback? Another fork?

In any scam: people who act like it did not occur or try to minimize it to create positive spin are part of the scam.
FUD is bad but mindless support is just as bad.

P.s: once again, I think VRC devs are among the best and I am very sorry they got placed in this situation. I sympathize.
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July 14, 2014, 12:20:12 AM
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MTGox happened and people are still using exchanges why will they stop now
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July 14, 2014, 12:21:32 AM
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All I have to say at this point, is that I will enjoy watching the VRC price fall.

Big fail by the VRC community and dev team pushing thru a blockchain revert like this.  You have rewarded mintpal for stupidity and incompetence, and rewarded ill-advised investors that kept coins on an insecure exchange. This kind of rollback won't always be an option - period... If VRC survives to see any kind of decent transaction volume, an action like this would be devastating to the entire economy.  Instead of showing that the coin and community can survive something like this, you have clearly shown that it CANNOT survive such an attack without a rollback.  Therefore, it's my opinion that you have proven this coin cannot survive in the long run.

It could have same result in the end on vericoin, drawing in a larger community. Any awareness that creates new investors will be a benefit.
I can the headlines now:
VERICOIN rolls back numerous transactions - merchants, private traders, etc all screwed.  MintPal comes out ahead.

/facepalm

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July 14, 2014, 12:21:44 AM
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their pro fudders from blackcoin m8 trying to get u to sell vrc and buy their wonderfull coin.

I'm not from blackcoin. And I don't consider legitimate critique to be FUD. I have more than enough reasons to want VeriCoin to succeed.
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July 14, 2014, 12:22:17 AM
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All I have to say at this point, is that I will enjoy watching the VRC price fall.

Big fail by the VRC community and dev team pushing thru a blockchain revert like this.  You have rewarded mintpal for stupidity and incompetence, and rewarded ill-advised investors that kept coins on an insecure exchange. This kind of rollback won't always be an option - period... If VRC survives to see any kind of decent transaction volume, an action like this would be devastating to the entire economy.  Instead of showing that the coin and community can survive something like this, you have clearly shown that it CANNOT survive such an attack without a rollback.  Therefore, it's my opinion that you have proven this coin cannot survive in the long run.

It could have same result in the end on vericoin, drawing in a larger community. Any awareness that creates new investors will be a benefit.
I can the headlines now:
VERICOIN rolls back numerous transactions - merchants, private traders, etc all screwed.  MintPal comes out ahead.

/facepalm

LOL thats about all you can say to stupidity like this.

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July 14, 2014, 12:23:01 AM
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their pro fudders from blackcoin m8 trying to get u to sell vrc and buy their wonderfull coin.

I'm not from blackcoin. And I don't consider legitimate critique to be FUD. I have more than enough reasons to want VeriCoin to succeed.

We know, we see you on twitter posting your gambling site all the time. Such an asset to the community  Grin

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July 14, 2014, 12:23:50 AM
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All I have to say at this point, is that I will enjoy watching the VRC price fall.

I can the headlines now:
VERICOIN rolls back numerous transactions - merchants, private traders, etc all screwed.  MintPal comes out ahead.
Need to roll yourself back under that rock. Roll Eyes

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July 14, 2014, 12:24:13 AM
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MTGox happened and people are still using exchanges why will they stop now

Question:
did you get Goxxed?
If you did... did it change how you use exchanges?

Can you see where I'm going with this.
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July 14, 2014, 12:26:09 AM
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An honest question, how many of you people here mad about VRC investors not getting cleaned out, lost money to gox or other scams?

Why are people so mad that VRC is young, and nimble enough to prevent theft?


Are you all serious? I never thought the community would gang up on the crypto trying to do the right then, when the crypto community should assist the developers in making it a solution that works

Times like this is when crypto can take a big step back, or a leap forward. It seems like many of the people who wish to see crypto succeed come here to see vericoin fail?

VRC did not avoid or prevent a theft.
The theft occurred and has been covered up.
This means the system that made the theft possible has been left uncorrected.

Now with all the bullshit and spin people are trying to act like this is a good thing.
This is not the solution.

Lecky is right.
Don't leave money on exchanges.
Have there not been enough examples already?
With this "fix" I fear people will do the reverse of learning the lesson.
This will just reinforce people using exchanges in this broken way.
It will excuse the exchange and they get a free pass.
This WILL happen again.
What then? Another rollback? Another fork?

In any scam: people who act like it did not occur or try to minimize it to create positive spin are part of the scam.
FUD is bad but mindless support is just as bad.

P.s: once again, I think VRC devs are among the best and I am very sorry they got placed in this situation. I sympathize.

The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.
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July 14, 2014, 12:26:33 AM
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People are horrible.
Not really, the ratio of thieves is actually not that large.

It just seems large when they all converge on a thread at once. Cheesy

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July 14, 2014, 12:27:13 AM
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The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.
Bull.  The theft is no longer part of the permanent blockchain ledger.  It absolutely has been covered up.
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July 14, 2014, 12:28:24 AM
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The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.
Bull.  The theft is no longer part of the permanent blockchain ledger.  It absolutely has been covered up.

So has bitcoins blockchain.

Yet it has value, your point?

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July 14, 2014, 12:29:00 AM
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An honest question, how many of you people here mad about VRC investors not getting cleaned out, lost money to gox or other scams?

Why are people so mad that VRC is young, and nimble enough to prevent theft?


Are you all serious? I never thought the community would gang up on the crypto trying to do the right then, when the crypto community should assist the developers in making it a solution that works

Times like this is when crypto can take a big step back, or a leap forward. It seems like many of the people who wish to see crypto succeed come here to see vericoin fail?

Mintpal messed up. Why are people attacking VRC like THEY DID IT???

People are horrible.


+1 I  couldn't have said it better my self
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July 14, 2014, 12:30:00 AM
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their pro fudders from blackcoin m8 trying to get u to sell vrc and buy their wonderfull coin.

I'm not from blackcoin. And I don't consider legitimate critique to be FUD. I have more than enough reasons to want VeriCoin to succeed.

We know, we see you on twitter posting your gambling site all the time. Such an asset to the community  Grin

I also run the only VRC faucet, created http://maps.vericoin.info , created the vericoin wikipedia page, added pages to the wikia, run the irc price bot, donated to the physical vericoin etc. etc etc.

But thanks for insulting me.

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July 14, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
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The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.
Bull.  The theft is no longer part of the permanent blockchain ledger.  It absolutely has been covered up.

So all this discussion we're having right now: this is all confidential clandestine stuff, right?

No one except us will ever know about this, right?

You know, since that's what a cover-up is.

Oh crap, this is all totally public, isn't it?


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July 14, 2014, 12:34:08 AM
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The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.
Bull.  The theft is no longer part of the permanent blockchain ledger.  It absolutely has been covered up.

A cover-up would mean, that the whole affair would have been dealt with in silence, without public knowledge.

The blockchain has been cleansed from crime, that is very different.
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July 14, 2014, 12:34:15 AM
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An honest question, how many of you people here mad about VRC investors not getting cleaned out, lost money to gox or other scams?

Why are people so mad that VRC is young, and nimble enough to prevent theft?


Are you all serious? I never thought the community would gang up on the crypto trying to do the right then, when the crypto community should assist the developers in making it a solution that works

Times like this is when crypto can take a big step back, or a leap forward. It seems like many of the people who wish to see crypto succeed come here to see vericoin fail?

VRC did not avoid or prevent a theft.
The theft occurred and has been covered up.
This means the system that made the theft possible has been left uncorrected.

Now with all the bullshit and spin people are trying to act like this is a good thing.
This is not the solution.

Lecky is right.
Don't leave money on exchanges.
Have there not been enough examples already?
With this "fix" I fear people will do the reverse of learning the lesson.
This will just reinforce people using exchanges in this broken way.
It will excuse the exchange and they get a free pass.
This WILL happen again.
What then? Another rollback? Another fork?

In any scam: people who act like it did not occur or try to minimize it to create positive spin are part of the scam.
FUD is bad but mindless support is just as bad.

P.s: once again, I think VRC devs are among the best and I am very sorry they got placed in this situation. I sympathize.

The theft has not been covered up, it has been dealt with in the most effective way.
If you want to continue your rebellion against exchanges, please open a new thread, because it affects every coin and asset.

Is this the effective way that will be used in the future as well then?
Regarding my rebellion against exchanges... you just saw an exchange put the whole of Vericoin in jeopardy.
You just saw them put the devs under a lot of unnecessary strain and create a lot of difficulty.
You just saw them force a very difficult decision.

Don't you think it would be more appropriate to join the rebellion rather than trying to shut me up or move me along?
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