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August 24, 2014, 12:18:17 AM
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@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.


We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

So you want to convince "aunt Emma" to use digital currency... so she will download the wallet and press the button "to the forum" because she is going to do some "research" about VRC first...

but before all that you should think what are you going to tell her when she says, in response to your suggestion of using VRC instead CCs or paypal, something like:


1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...



 
that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

I know it sounds pretty out there but considering that the price of a Vericoin has languished to around a meager 5 cents and yet there are still so many overly critical talking heads that are constantly on here who seem to act like it's their job to scare any and all new investors/speculators away, there's definitely a possibility that they're not invested in it at all and are instead either 1) just a part of some cryptocurrency COINTELPRO, 2) they're simply being paid to post FUD by one of VRC's competitors or that 3) they just want to help drive down the price so that their group can load up on cheap coins before they pump it again like they did before.

Edit: I forgot the possibility of 4) that they have either a realized or an unrealized financial loss after having bought during the middle of the last pump (like myself) but unlike me, they suffer from some mental deficiency or emotionally maladaptive trait which prevents them from taking responsibility for their own actions and are thus blaming the devs (and/or anyone else) for their perceived losses, rather than themselves.

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August 24, 2014, 12:31:13 AM
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@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.


We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

So you want to convince "aunt Emma" to use digital currency... so she will download the wallet and press the button "to the forum" because she is going to do some "research" about VRC first...

but before all that you should think what are you going to tell her when she says, in response to your suggestion of using VRC instead CCs or paypal, something like:


1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...



 
that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

I know it sounds pretty out there but considering that the price of a Vericoin has languished to around a meager 5 cents and yet there are still so many overly critical talking heads that are constantly on here who seem to act like it's their job to scare any and all new investors/speculators away, there's definitely a possibility that they're not invested in it at all and are instead either 1) just a part of some cryptocurrency COINTELPRO, 2) they're simply being paid to post FUD by one of VRC's competitors or that 3) they just want to help drive down the price so that their group can load up on cheap coins before they pump it again like they did before.




No 4
Possibly all at once by some entity.

Great time to buy.


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August 24, 2014, 12:31:18 AM
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@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.


We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

So you want to convince "aunt Emma" to use digital currency... so she will download the wallet and press the button "to the forum" because she is going to do some "research" about VRC first...

but before all that you should think what are you going to tell her when she says, in response to your suggestion of using VRC instead CCs or paypal, something like:


1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...



 
that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

I know it sounds pretty out there but considering that the price of a Vericoin has languished to around a meager 5 cents and yet there are still so many overly critical talking heads that are constantly on here who seem to act like it's their job to scare any and all new investors/speculators away, there's definitely a possibility that they're not invested in it at all and are instead either 1) just a part of some cryptocurrency COINTELPRO, 2) they're simply being paid to post FUD by one of VRC's competitors or that 3) they just want to help drive down the price so that their group can load up on cheap coins before they pump it again like they did before.
yes veri true opinion

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No 4
Possibly all at once by some entity.

Great time to buy.



I will happy sell you my coins

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August 24, 2014, 12:33:42 AM
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No 4
Possibly all at once by some entity.

Great time to buy.



I will happy sell you my coins

There are exchanges for that.

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No 4
Possibly all at once by some entity.

Great time to buy.



I will happy sell you my coins
ill buy your coins! I'm veri serious...


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August 24, 2014, 01:06:41 AM
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No 4
Possibly all at once by some entity.

Great time to buy.



I will happy sell you my coins
ill buy your coins! I'm veri serious...

Veri nice stepping in on my offer... Lets splitt : ) as you could probably buy me out. haha

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Isn't it amazing that the veritalk is fully opened and moderated and yet the chorus line continues to post here non-stop and WITH -like always- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY.

I find that amazing myself.

Much more amazing is that socal continues to ram the prairie without a muzzle. That is outright insane.

Shinraven or whatever, shortcomings and deficiencies are what they are. Whether repeated of not. And they are mighty simply to put in evidence.

But you pretend to put nice ribbons on a turd and pretend it's bon-bons. Be my guest.
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1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

Well I have always used Paypal and never payed a cent for doing so... no idea what you´re talking about. Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about instead of trolling and insulting...

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

After two minutes of searching on Google, I think this is some of what he was talking about:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/1rkkd7/paypal_just_froze_over_70000_in_my_account_say/

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/paypal-freezes-45000-of-mailpiles-crowdfunded-dollars/

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paypal-protonmail-freeze/

Excellent google work, but I think either you didn´t understand my post or you didn´t read it. Really good points on the other hand but still *buying* something online using paypal costs *zero* a year.

My point was I dont think "aunt Emma" or "Joe and Jane Sixpack" gives a sh*t about some startup-company getting their accounts frozen... not defending them here, I actually agree that those practices are totally questionable to say the least, I was just pointing out why mainstream people keeps using paypal...

1. Its free

2. Its easy

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that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

What I believe or not is not the point here. Everyone is talking about "mainstream adoption" and yet no one has a clue about average online shoppers habits and the reasons behind said habits... The sad reality being that *most* of the people buying online pays with CCs and Paypal because

1. It´s "safe": chargebacks, no fear of buggy wallet software
2. No hassle: ever opened a paypal account? compare that to send ID copies and FIAT to a website... most people has paypal accounts and CCs already
3. Cheap: Buying with Paypal costs *zero* and a CC costs around 2$ a month...
4. Useful in "emergency": you get credit, so you can buy even if you haven´t got enough funds.

So *again* what are we going to tell "aunt Emma" or "Joe Bloggs" when they point out

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?


If we have no reasonable answer maybe we should stop trying to push vericoin to mainstream online shoppers, because right now they have no powerful reasons to go through the hassle and risk of buying VRC in order to pay for something, and at the same time trying to focus in the people VRC could solve a problem of theirs, but well I guess its a lost cause with so many cheerleaders, pumpers and fanboys...




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August 24, 2014, 01:30:45 AM
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1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

Well I have always used Paypal and never payed a cent for doing so... no idea what you´re talking about. Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about instead of trolling and insulting...

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

After two minutes of searching on Google, I think this is some of what he was talking about:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/1rkkd7/paypal_just_froze_over_70000_in_my_account_say/

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/paypal-freezes-45000-of-mailpiles-crowdfunded-dollars/

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paypal-protonmail-freeze/

Excellent google work, but I think either you didn´t understand my post or you didn´t read it. Really good points on the other hand but still *buying* something online using paypal costs *zero* a year.

My point was I dont think "aunt Emma" or "Joe and Jane Sixpack" gives a sh*t about some startup-company getting their accounts frozen... not defending them here, I actually agree that those practices are totally questionable to say the least, I was just pointing out why mainstream people keeps using paypal...

1. Its free

2. Its easy

Quote
that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

What I believe or not is not the point here. Everyone is talking about "mainstream adoption" and yet no one has a clue about average online shoppers habits and the reasons behind said habits... The sad reality being that *most* of the people buying online pays with CCs and Paypal because

1. It´s "safe": chargebacks, no fear of buggy wallet software
2. No hassle: ever opened a paypal account? compare that to send ID copies and FIAT to a website... most people has paypal accounts and CCs already
3. Cheap: Buying with Paypal costs *zero* and a CC costs around 2$ a month...
4. Useful in "emergency": you get credit, so you can buy even if you haven´t got enough funds.

So *again* what are we going to tell "aunt Emma" or "Joe Bloggs" when they point out

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?


If we have no reasonable answer maybe we should stop trying to push vericoin to mainstream online shoppers, because right now they have no powerful reasons to go through the hassle and risk of buying VRC in order to pay for something, and at the same time trying to focus in the people VRC could solve a problem of theirs, but well I guess its a lost cause with so many cheerleaders, pumpers and fanboys...






It is a reasonable answer paypal charge, thousands of transactions per day .

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1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

Well I have always used Paypal and never payed a cent for doing so... no idea what you´re talking about. Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about instead of trolling and insulting...

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

After two minutes of searching on Google, I think this is some of what he was talking about:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/1rkkd7/paypal_just_froze_over_70000_in_my_account_say/

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/09/paypal-freezes-45000-of-mailpiles-crowdfunded-dollars/

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paypal-protonmail-freeze/

Excellent google work, but I think either you didn´t understand my post or you didn´t read it. Really good points on the other hand but still *buying* something online using paypal costs *zero* a year.

My point was I dont think "aunt Emma" or "Joe and Jane Sixpack" gives a sh*t about some startup-company getting their accounts frozen... not defending them here, I actually agree that those practices are totally questionable to say the least, I was just pointing out why mainstream people keeps using paypal...

1. Its free

2. Its easy

Quote
that goes for every single coin... its about planting the right seeds... why u in crypto if thats what u believe..

What I believe or not is not the point here. Everyone is talking about "mainstream adoption" and yet no one has a clue about average online shoppers habits and the reasons behind said habits... The sad reality being that *most* of the people buying online pays with CCs and Paypal because

1. It´s "safe": chargebacks, no fear of buggy wallet software
2. No hassle: ever opened a paypal account? compare that to send ID copies and FIAT to a website... most people has paypal accounts and CCs already
3. Cheap: Buying with Paypal costs *zero* and a CC costs around 2$ a month...
4. Useful in "emergency": you get credit, so you can buy even if you haven´t got enough funds.

So *again* what are we going to tell "aunt Emma" or "Joe Bloggs" when they point out

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?


If we have no reasonable answer maybe we should stop trying to push vericoin to mainstream online shoppers, because right now they have no powerful reasons to go through the hassle and risk of buying VRC in order to pay for something, and at the same time trying to focus in the people VRC could solve a problem of theirs, but well I guess its a lost cause with so many cheerleaders, pumpers and fanboys...

I read it and I was responding to this part:

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Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about

As for the rest, I guess we can all let our minds wander but personally, as someone with credit cards, a PayPal account and even a PayPal Business Debit Mastercard (with 1% cash back on everything) so that I can use my PayPal acct like a checking acct or like a credit account, I wouldn't mind having a VeriCoin Visa card as I'm growing increasingly worried about the persistant devaluation of our dollar here in the States and it's future as our world's reserve currency.  I see digital currencies like Bitcoin and VeriCoin as hedges against such systemic risk and with the way that food and gas prices continue to climb at such a steady, if not ever increasing rate of pace, I don't think it will be all that long before Aunt Emma and/or Joe Bloggs figure it out and start buying cryptos, too.

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How easy is it to get VRC?

I have a small banner on my Website (who else?). I got the first email from a customer who asked me what it is and I explained it. The second question was where he can buy VRC? So I told him that he has to buy BTC and then he can trade it on an exchange for VRC. I know that there is also a company where you can buy VRC via Paypal but it's about 20% overpriced.

Isn't there a way to buy VRC easy as 1,2,3,? Just a small button on the Vericoin site like "buy it here". Pay with CC or Paypal or even bank Transfer and get your VRC in minutes. If that is not possible because of the law, maybe we can add a small exchange to veritalk where users sell VRC via PayPal to others. Getting VRC must be easier.

BTW: Add a banner to your Website, bring out the brand to the world, even the biggest companies in the world do it. It's so easy. Here is a small logo:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30vdk5u.jpg

Help VRC to succeed and support it (instead of just talking about)

Regards,
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How easy is it to get VRC?

I have a small banner on my Website (who else?). I got the first email from a customer who asked me what it is and I explained it. The second question was where he can buy VRC? So I told him that he has to buy BTC and then he can trade it on an exchange for VRC. I know that there is also a company where you can buy VRC via Paypal but it's about 20% overpriced.

Isn't there a way to buy VRC easy as 1,2,3,? Just a small button on the Vericoin site like "buy it here". Pay with CC or Paypal or even bank Transfer and get your VRC in minutes. If that is not possible because of the law, maybe we can add a small exchange to veritalk where users sell VRC via PayPal to others. Getting VRC must be easier.

BTW: Add a banner to your Website, bring out the brand to the world, even the biggest companies in the world do it. It's so easy. Here is a small logo:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30vdk5u.jpghttp://oi60.tinypic.com/30vdk5u.jpg

Help VRC to succeed and support it (instead of just talking about)

Regards,
Michael

 

great work
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August 24, 2014, 03:18:34 AM
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World Crypto Network YouTube channel on the NXT hack.  Chris Ellis said,

"And bear in mind it wasn't even their (NXT) fault.  And to their credit, they didn't go with what Vericoin did with a very very rollback and a very very dishonest way of running a coin.  So they kind of at least did the right thing as a coin."

"So, all of the customers got their money back.  Bter said that they were going to pay everyone back.  So they're the ones taking the hit. Because if that's true, then that's the best outcome. That's the lessons to take away...
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http://youtu.be/ptQGRyOx_Ew?t=20m40s

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August 24, 2014, 03:33:06 AM
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World Crypto Network YouTube channel on the NXT hack.  Chris Ellis said,

"And bear in mind it wasn't even their (NXT) fault.  And to their credit, they didn't go with what Vericoin did with a very very rollback and a very very dishonest way of running a coin.  So they kind of at least did the right thing as a coin."

"So, all of the customers got their money back.  Bter said that they were going to pay everyone back.  So they're the ones taking the hit. Because if that's true, then that's the best outcome. That's the lessons to take away..."

http://youtu.be/ptQGRyOx_Ew?t=20m40s



Umm, NXT hack was not a security issue to the blockchain. Very little damage done with 5% stolen from a POS coin versus 30% in the case of the VeriCoin theft. The shoe doesn't fit. Comparing apples and oranges. etc.etc.

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August 24, 2014, 03:50:19 AM
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World Crypto Network YouTube channel on the NXT hack.  Chris Ellis said,

"And bear in mind it wasn't even their (NXT) fault.  And to their credit, they didn't go with what Vericoin did with a very very rollback and a very very dishonest way of running a coin.  So they kind of at least did the right thing as a coin."

"So, all of the customers got their money back.  Bter said that they were going to pay everyone back.  So they're the ones taking the hit. Because if that's true, then that's the best outcome. That's the lessons to take away..."

http://youtu.be/ptQGRyOx_Ew?t=20m40s



the whole bter/nxt hack smelled fishy..why would they send 100btc to thieves..
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August 24, 2014, 04:36:59 AM
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Vericoin iOS App pending validation from Apple!

Awesome Job Guys!

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/503365170333118465
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August 24, 2014, 05:24:05 AM
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to the person cheerleading for paypal... why u here? do u work for paypal? don't u think your barking up the wrong tree? do u even crypto? lol why use any crypto whatsoever if u love paypal?


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August 24, 2014, 05:30:26 AM
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and to anyone comparing NXT theft with the vericoin theft and their situations with the rollback or no rollback... u clearly know nothing about market cap and percentages lol or numbers at all and you shouldn't be trading or investing in anything besides food and shelter. lol

i will not explain why nxt couldn't do a rollback or why vericoin had no choice but to do a rollback... even pnosker said publicly that nxt should NOT rollback..

for all the children out there that want to fud or actually think your posting something true , please do some research before cause your just making yourself look bad...


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August 24, 2014, 06:35:28 AM
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It's a real shame that some people on this coin have so little tolerance or insight. I avoid PayPal whenever possible. I don't like it. BUT PayPal provides an excellent service to millions of users who are willing to pay the fees and use it. I found it quite reasonable to ask why any Gran, Joe or Janet in the first world would bother using an alt currency when they can use CC or PayPal or OK Pay etc.  Smiley
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