[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[ereborltc]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug

like he said its in the communities hands now...

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James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

i wont have time to go to forums, they need to come back here and post or I wont be able to see it

James - This has been going on for weeks now. I've known about this for nearly a month or so. The disconnect here comes from you being TOO discrete and too vague.

It's not just about the price. We surround ourselves with good people. We want to do great things. We want to do good business.
You're asking for a lot of money. I'm asking for a phone call. We CAN work something out but it HAS to be reasonable for both parties.

I don't doubt that you're a very capable, smart guy - with a special skill set. But let's hammer this out properly.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

I suggest this entire deal is called off for both VRC and SuperNET's sake.
VRC has went through enough drama and SuperNET has yet to really begin.
This whole "deal" looks very suspect in general and as a way to buy into the whole SuperNET core.
Either way this seems very bad for business on both sides, even it does take place.

[VeryVeriViral]

There is a proper way to do business. VeriCoin is NOT your run of the mill "alt coin". And VeriCoin will be showing that over the coming months and years.

If this adds value - I'm for it but I'm not naive either.
1.3 million VRC is absolutely CRAZY. You would have to have something earth shattering to EARN that. And if you dumped… game over for VeriCoin.

Bring me solid evidence. Keep it legit… be open and forthcoming and we'll do good business together.

Otherwise it seems like kiddie games.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

do you understand what HODL means?
do you understand I get nothing unless some benchmarks are achieved, which would presumably mean that I must have done something.

James

Absolutely but it's STILL a lot of money. If you were SO sure that what you were going to implement was going to skyrocket the price… why not buy in low… implement… and it's a win/win?

Simple.

Is this JUST about you making money? If you're doing this for other coins… how much are they paying you etc?
I've just personally NEVER seen business conducted like this before. It's possible but you act like it's a "charity" for VeriCoin.

VeriCoin is going to succeed either way but we're open to things that make sense too.

Bottom line is… it's a LOT of money. If the community raises it… fine. But I don't think that kind of money is possible to even raise.

300,000 VRC - you deliver - hits 100k sat - 600,000 VRC. That… is reasonable. And WAY more doable IMO.

And you'd be a multimillionaire - ESPECIALLY with the other great things we're doing.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

[ereborltc]

James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

i wont have time to go to forums, they need to come back here and post or I wont be able to see it

James - This has been going on for weeks now. I've known about this for nearly a month or so. The disconnect here comes from you being TOO discrete and too vague.

It's not just about the price. We surround ourselves with good people. We want to do great things. We want to do good business.
You're asking for a lot of money. I'm asking for a phone call. We CAN work something out but it HAS to be reasonable for both parties.

I don't doubt that you're a very capable, smart guy - with a special skill set. But let's hammer this out properly.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

I suggest this entire deal is called off for both VRC and SuperNET's sake.
VRC has went through enough drama and SuperNET has yet to really begin.
This whole "deal" looks very suspect in general and as a way to buy into the whole SuperNET core.
Either way this seems very bad for business on both sides, even it does take place.

there all good points , and i think we need to put this to a vote and see if we can even get the funds together.... or maybe we can negotiate but he's right he doesn't get anything unless he performs, I'm leaning for yes... but i think a voting process is the best way to go about this

about his whole anonymous thing with james , his proof is in the numbers. those are real and current and still thriving but i can obviously see the concerns ppl will have. i think now is the time for everyone to voice their opinion and lets get a voting system started.

[ereborltc]

There is a proper way to do business. VeriCoin is NOT your run of the mill "alt coin". And VeriCoin will be showing that over the coming months and years.

If this adds value - I'm for it but I'm not naive either.
1.3 million VRC is absolutely CRAZY. You would have to have something earth shattering to EARN that. And if you dumped… game over for VeriCoin.

Bring me solid evidence. Keep it legit… be open and forthcoming and we'll do good business together.

Otherwise it seems like kiddie games.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

do you understand what HODL means?
do you understand I get nothing unless some benchmarks are achieved, which would presumably mean that I must have done something.

James

Absolutely but it's STILL a lot of money. If you were SO sure that what you were going to implement was going to skyrocket the price… why not buy in low… implement… and it's a win/win?

Simple.

Is this JUST about you making money? If you're doing this for other coins… how much are they paying you etc?
I've just personally NEVER seen business conducted like this before. It's possible but you act like it's a "charity" for VeriCoin.

VeriCoin is going to succeed either way but we're open to things that make sense too.

Bottom line is… it's a LOT of money. If the community raises it… fine. But I don't think that kind of money is possible to even raise.

300,000 VRC - you deliver - hits 100k sat - 600,000 VRC. That… is reasonable. And WAY more doable IMO.

And you'd be a multimillionaire - ESPECIALLY with the other great things we're doing.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

this is very true , the amount will be very hard to raise and thats my concern really. i wouldn't want to miss out on this because it just wasn't feasible to raise that much.

[ereborltc]

@jl777 are you willing to negotiate ,cause the truth is it might be impossible to raise such an amount? somewhere between 500-800k seems like something the community can pull off especially if we got a little help from the devs.

[ereborltc]

@jl777 are you willing to negotiate ,cause the truth is it might be impossible to raise such an amount? somewhere between 500-800k seems like something the community can pull off especially if we got a little help from the devs.

maybe the interest can stay in the escrow instead of going to a fund.. just a thought

[setup]

James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

i wont have time to go to forums, they need to come back here and post or I wont be able to see it

James - This has been going on for weeks now. I've known about this for nearly a month or so. The disconnect here comes from you being TOO discrete and too vague.

It's not just about the price. We surround ourselves with good people. We want to do great things. We want to do good business.
You're asking for a lot of money. I'm asking for a phone call. We CAN work something out but it HAS to be reasonable for both parties.

I don't doubt that you're a very capable, smart guy - with a special skill set. But let's hammer this out properly.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

I suggest this entire deal is called off for both VRC and SuperNET's sake.
VRC has went through enough drama and SuperNET has yet to really begin.
This whole "deal" looks very suspect in general and as a way to buy into the whole SuperNET core.
Either way this seems very bad for business on both sides, even it does take place.

there all good points , and i think we need to put this to a vote and see if we can even get the funds together.... or maybe we can negotiate but he's right he doesn't get anything unless he performs, I'm leaning for yes... but i think a voting process is the best way to go about this

about his whole anonymous thing with james , his proof is in the numbers. those are real and current and still thriving but i can obviously see the concerns ppl will have. i think now is the time for everyone to voice their opinion and lets get a voting system started.

Didn't you want to go to bed?   I understand that you cannot sleep now.
Why shouldn't James make Millions out of this deal? It's absolutely okay, as long as he delivers. What do we have to lose? Ten percent out of nearly nothing. What, if we don't make the deal? A&B won't stop fudding and trolling, investors stay away and....
I hope we find together, I vote with a big Yes

[VeryVeriViral]

I'm ALL for a vote but can't see how the community will be able to pull THAT much VeriCoin together.

2.6 million??? In total??? The community needs to REALLY think about those numbers. Be smart guys.

The 300,000 - 600,000 VRC plan is FAR more doable and reasonable iMO.
I could get my investors to pay you in straight up cash if need be.
But they're not gonna do that the way James wants to do this - what investor would?

Anyhow I'm going to review his previous work over the weekend and see what it's really worth IMO.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

[ereborltc]

James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

i wont have time to go to forums, they need to come back here and post or I wont be able to see it

James - This has been going on for weeks now. I've known about this for nearly a month or so. The disconnect here comes from you being TOO discrete and too vague.

It's not just about the price. We surround ourselves with good people. We want to do great things. We want to do good business.
You're asking for a lot of money. I'm asking for a phone call. We CAN work something out but it HAS to be reasonable for both parties.

I don't doubt that you're a very capable, smart guy - with a special skill set. But let's hammer this out properly.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

I suggest this entire deal is called off for both VRC and SuperNET's sake.
VRC has went through enough drama and SuperNET has yet to really begin.
This whole "deal" looks very suspect in general and as a way to buy into the whole SuperNET core.
Either way this seems very bad for business on both sides, even it does take place.

there all good points , and i think we need to put this to a vote and see if we can even get the funds together.... or maybe we can negotiate but he's right he doesn't get anything unless he performs, I'm leaning for yes... but i think a voting process is the best way to go about this

about his whole anonymous thing with james , his proof is in the numbers. those are real and current and still thriving but i can obviously see the concerns ppl will have. i think now is the time for everyone to voice their opinion and lets get a voting system started.

Didn't you want to go to bed?   I understand that you cannot sleep now.
Why shouldn't James make Millions out of this deal? It's absolutely okay, as long as he delivers. What do we have to lose? Ten percent out of nearly nothing. What, if we don't make the deal? A&B won't stop fudding and trolling, investors stay away and....
I hope we find together, I vote with a big Yes

lolol heap can't sleep of course ... i just hope james can negotiate a bit cause its true, how are we gonna raise a couple million vericoin... but I'm all for it if we can my vote is obviously a big YES, but dunno...thats so much vrc, i don't see how we can realistically pull that off.

[albert_mt]

I could get my investors to pay you in straight up cash if need be.

Could you clarify who are the investors you represent and what is your affiliation with the vericoin developers please?

[sluppy]

Okay James. You want to do a deal? We need FULL transparency, a whitepaper or spec sheet summarizing exactly what "superNET" is exactly and most importantly - what it does for VeriCoin - the brand - specifically.
Regardless of your skill set or the platform that you're creating… you are asking for a LOT of money. Period.

You want to do business - do it legit. Let's hammer out a reasonable deal that makes sense for BOTH sides - but not until you respect OUR terms as well.

Aside from Ethereum and your (very vague) superNET… there are other REALLY interesting decentralization projects and platforms already in the works. Including decentralized exchanges and marketplaces.
*And these guys aren't anonymous or asking for exuberant sums of VeriCoin.

VeriCoin is aimed directly for the masses. Your deal isn't going to make or break this coin… whatsoever as we have massive plans for the long term span of this coin AND this community.
Why should we hire an anonymous coder when we could literally take the same money and hire someone who isn't so vague?

How do you want to do this? I have Skype. Hell I'd even give you my personal number. We ARE interested but we won't be bullied or coerced into something that can potentially be a scam etc.

Personally I don't see why you don't just buy in VeriCoin right now… at these RIDICULOUSLY low prices… join the team (or deliver the code) and THEN legitimately make a profit from it.
That's a WIN/WIN for both sides AND it's GOOD business.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

Please research me in NXT and BTCD threads and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.940
github.com/jl777/libjl777 has just 20,000 of my 40,000 lines I wrote since march
MGW is already in production and NXT AE is almost in the top 10 of all exchanges
JLH was the first crypto asset to trade on an exchange
I tripled a small 1500 BTC sharkfund0 in a bit more than three months
I did a 100x on BTCD marketcap in 6 weeks and about $7 million of marketcap gains
I have made NXT investors over 150 million NXT profits in 4 months
My announcing that BBR might join SuperNET did this: https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr look at it on ALL timeframe and guess when I announced. It went from a few BTC per day volume to 100+ BTC and #2 in polovolume
If you need more proof of my skills, you can ask chanc3r who has 20+ years of relevant tech experience and reviewed my MGW.

I have proven myself, at least I believe I have. If this is not enough, then please reject this deal and my commitment to honor the deal has been satisfied and I can close this thread. I am doing this because I promised drkman that I would, no other reason. If the VRC community supports me then despite my reluctance I will do my best. With the management of SuperNET and the coding I still have to do, my preference is that the VRC community reject this as this deal structure is not consistent with SuperNET model and it will cause some confusions

James

How about we add a little Line to your deal like , After u Buy them from the escrow u will commit to Not Sell Any for at least 6 months after the escrow criteria are met ?
Or leave them @ the escrow for another 6 months.
U should understand that its a HUGE ammount of the Total coins , I personally wouldnt see any benifit to u dumping them But it never hurts to get a little insurance.
Im all for this deal But you are kinda turning into Bow Jackson , "i like to talk about myself in 3rd person"(the JL effect if u will) that kind of stuff wich scares me a little.
Also Darkman How did this go from 500k to so much more all of a sudden ?

[jl777]

@jl777 are you willing to negotiate ,cause the truth is it might be impossible to raise such an amount? somewhere between 500-800k seems like something the community can pull off especially if we got a little help from the devs.

I prefer not to do this without overwhelming community support
if you are saying the community is only willing to commit 2% into this, then it tells me there is weak support
Since I am coming in as some sort of supposed magic man, the expectations will be high
but high expectations and low commitment are not good combinations

if this is the community's limits, then I prefer to just say, it was nice that we tried, but best to go our separate ways.

I am already multimillionaire, I dont do this for the money. the money is just what happens when I am successful and since 90% of the marketcap gain will go to others and there is no risk since I am asking for a payment of 0.00000000 and infact in the success scenario I would be purchasing

So, the fact that this is really being debated so much tells me that this community does not understand business very well and this makes it harder for success. I am not asking you to believe that I can do this so just pay me money. You do understand if I dont cause VRC to go 5x, I get nothing. If you think it is any sort of easy thing to go from $1 mil to $5 mil marketcap, then why not somebody else to do it?

In hours the SuperNET funding will start. So, please at least come to a consensus as to whether this is DOA or not very soon. If it is DOA, then we are done and that is fine.
All it takes is a few whales, I assume there are some with some large percentage like in any coin. If they can come up with the coins, then even if the community is split 50/50 everyone benefits

Once the SuperNET funding starts, I expect to be quite busy and might not have time to check this thread, so best to at least have a partial indication right away. There is no sense to drag this out. I suggest this:

1. DOA or no DOA within 24 hours
2. if not DOA, start fund raising
3. If less than 500K raised in any day, then fund raising is failed
4. if target is reached I will honor my commitment

I know you all feel that the VRC is the center of the universe and who is this arrogant jl777 guy coming out of nowhere. I would feel this too. I am telling you honestly my main value for VRC prior to my having time next year will be the SuperNET effect, but with a 6 month delay it wont be like for BBR. So, this is a long term plan. I know, totally sucks for crypto, but that is all I can do, I have to take care of the 10,000 (estimated) BTC SuperNET as my first priority.

I hope you can understand this and I apologize for my brashness, arrogance, deadlines, etc. It is unfortunately forced by circumstance and I am doing what I can given the constraints

James

[jl777]

@jl777 are you willing to negotiate ,cause the truth is it might be impossible to raise such an amount? somewhere between 500-800k seems like something the community can pull off especially if we got a little help from the devs.

maybe the interest can stay in the escrow instead of going to a fund.. just a thought

the entire amount will be in escrow and all staking donated to a community fund

[jl777]

Okay James. You want to do a deal? We need FULL transparency, a whitepaper or spec sheet summarizing exactly what "superNET" is exactly and most importantly - what it does for VeriCoin - the brand - specifically.
Regardless of your skill set or the platform that you're creating… you are asking for a LOT of money. Period.

You want to do business - do it legit. Let's hammer out a reasonable deal that makes sense for BOTH sides - but not until you respect OUR terms as well.

Aside from Ethereum and your (very vague) superNET… there are other REALLY interesting decentralization projects and platforms already in the works. Including decentralized exchanges and marketplaces.
*And these guys aren't anonymous or asking for exuberant sums of VeriCoin.

VeriCoin is aimed directly for the masses. Your deal isn't going to make or break this coin… whatsoever as we have massive plans for the long term span of this coin AND this community.
Why should we hire an anonymous coder when we could literally take the same money and hire someone who isn't so vague?

How do you want to do this? I have Skype. Hell I'd even give you my personal number. We ARE interested but we won't be bullied or coerced into something that can potentially be a scam etc.

Personally I don't see why you don't just buy in VeriCoin right now… at these RIDICULOUSLY low prices… join the team (or deliver the code) and THEN legitimately make a profit from it.
That's a WIN/WIN for both sides AND it's GOOD business.

Jay Jay
@VeryVeriViral

Please research me in NXT and BTCD threads and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.940
github.com/jl777/libjl777 has just 20,000 of my 40,000 lines I wrote since march
MGW is already in production and NXT AE is almost in the top 10 of all exchanges
JLH was the first crypto asset to trade on an exchange
I tripled a small 1500 BTC sharkfund0 in a bit more than three months
I did a 100x on BTCD marketcap in 6 weeks and about $7 million of marketcap gains
I have made NXT investors over 150 million NXT profits in 4 months
My announcing that BBR might join SuperNET did this: https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr look at it on ALL timeframe and guess when I announced. It went from a few BTC per day volume to 100+ BTC and #2 in polovolume
If you need more proof of my skills, you can ask chanc3r who has 20+ years of relevant tech experience and reviewed my MGW.

I have proven myself, at least I believe I have. If this is not enough, then please reject this deal and my commitment to honor the deal has been satisfied and I can close this thread. I am doing this because I promised drkman that I would, no other reason. If the VRC community supports me then despite my reluctance I will do my best. With the management of SuperNET and the coding I still have to do, my preference is that the VRC community reject this as this deal structure is not consistent with SuperNET model and it will cause some confusions

James

How about we add a little Line to your deal like , After u Buy them from the escrow u will commit to Not Sell Any for at least 6 months after the escrow criteria are met ?
Or leave them @ the escrow for another 6 months.
U should understand that its a HUGE ammount of the Total coins , I personally wouldnt see any benifit to u dumping them But it never hurts to get a little insurance.
Im all for this deal But you are kinda turning into Bow Jackson , "i like to talk about myself in 3rd person"(the JL effect if u will) that kind of stuff wich scares me a little.
Also Darkman How did this go from 500k to so much more all of a sudden ?

I can commit to not selling for 3 years from today
If more time is needed for the community, then I can extend it a bit, but I need closure on this so if the fund raising drys up it needs to be declared a NO-GO
we can use some common sense to figure this out.
so if on any given day X comes in, we can project when it will be completed
if this project date is beyond 2 weeks from now for 2 days in a row, it is a NO-GO

[sluppy]

will hold for 3 years , Im in .
Great deal take it now before this "sucker"(jokin) changes his mind.
I also like that u addressed that u wont have much time to add code since your going to have your hands full with Supernet I was thinking the same thing but forgot to ask.
Everything Crystal Its a lot of coins but if they get taken of the market for 3 years thats good for Everyone . a solid investor that will hold for 3 years no matter what , those are hard to find.

[ereborltc]

will hold for 3 years , Im in .
Great deal take it now before this "sucker"(jokin) changes his mind.
I also like that u addressed that u wont have much time to add code since your going to have your hands full with Supernet I was thinking the same thing but forgot to ask.
Everything Crystal Its a lot of coins but if they get taken of the market for 3 years thats good for Everyone . a solid investor that will hold for 3 years no matter what , those are hard to find.

i read his terms and its clear. thats the deal take it or leave it and we have 24 hrs... so you guys want to play conspiracy theorists or are we gonna try and get this done , a decision in 24 hrs then we raise 500k in another 24hrs .

IM A VOTE FOR YES so we need some whales to step forward and everyone for that matter ,even you BARABBAS as you say we would be crazy not to jump all over this , so lets go lets group up and make this happen!!

[setup]

It's very early in the US. Somebody has to wake up our devs

[libertynow]

will hold for 3 years , Im in .
Great deal take it now before this "sucker"(jokin) changes his mind.
I also like that u addressed that u wont have much time to add code since your going to have your hands full with Supernet I was thinking the same thing but forgot to ask.
Everything Crystal Its a lot of coins but if they get taken of the market for 3 years thats good for Everyone . a solid investor that will hold for 3 years no matter what , those are hard to find.

i read his terms and its clear. thats the deal take it or leave it and we have 24 hrs... so you guys want to play conspiracy theorists or are we gonna try and get this done , a decision in 24 hrs then we raise 500k in another 24hrs .

IM A VOTE FOR YES so we need some whales to step forward and everyone for that matter ,even you BARABBAS as you say we would be crazy not to jump all over this , so lets go lets group up and make this happen!!

I have a lot of respect for James.  I've been tracking him since NXT and as soon as I found out he was working on BTCD, I bought some BTCD, too.  From everything I can tell, he's a fantastic developer and a really hard working.

Now, I'm not a whale, but maybe a large guppy?  I am willing to make a decent contribution and I think we should move forward with this project.  Can we have people hop into the IRC channel so we can discuss?  What do the devs think?

James, just to be clear... I tried to catch up on the thread as best as I could, but you're looking for how many VRC?  Was it 2%?  5.2 million?  That does seem like a lot...

Thanks for your consideration, James.

[Bananacat]

will hold for 3 years , Im in .
Great deal take it now before this "sucker"(jokin) changes his mind.
I also like that u addressed that u wont have much time to add code since your going to have your hands full with Supernet I was thinking the same thing but forgot to ask.
Everything Crystal Its a lot of coins but if they get taken of the market for 3 years thats good for Everyone . a solid investor that will hold for 3 years no matter what , those are hard to find.

5-10% of coins off market with other large investors holding. That alone will cause the price to jump. Mere discussion of the deal has raised price/volume in the short amount of time its been announced.