Kids Are Using Bitcoin to Buy Fake IDs Online

[pdawg]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

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[jc01480]

Of course.  They're saving their greenbacks for the hardcore drugs they buy on the street.  The cause is not the coin, it's a lack of guidance and support through good parenting. 

[Bitcoin Magazine]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

so just sell it to them.  they're obvoiusly buying it.

[Yakamoto]

Of course.  They're saving their greenbacks for the hardcore drugs they buy on the street.  The cause is not the coin, it's a lack of guidance and support through good parenting. 

This.

Admit you're a bad parent and don't watch your kid, don't blame the coin.

Not saying that if your kid did it secretly but you are very strict or watch what your kid does, for that I commend you. It's just TOO MANY PEOPLE BLAME BITCOIN.

[acoindr]

good for them.

in my day, i had to make my own fake id to
get into the bars. 

My parents helped me make my fake id, an altered photocopy of my birth certificate so I could get my first job a few months before legal age. I was eager to have my own money. Imagine someone like me ending up here.

[Bitcoin Magazine]

if u restrict kidz from downloading fake ids you restrict their freedoms as Americans.  might as well live in china

[madmadmax]

How is it immoral exactly again?

Morality != legality, it might be legal to fuck your mates wife but it is immoral, same thing the opposite. I just don't see how this is bad unless you let the state dictate your morals.

[Beliathon]

Go kids!

[jc01480]

Go kids!

Dude, you have way too much time on your hands...lol.

[Beliathon]

Go kids!

Dude, you have way too much time on your hands...lol.

Thanks to Bitcoin, I have been liberated from a life of wage-slavery.

[leopard2]

I love the part about the Secret Services sting operation to catch those kids 

LOL are they a bunch of overstaffed clowns, or did one of the Obama kids try to buy booze with one of these ID's? 

[zeetubes]

... it might be legal to fuck your mates wife but it is immoral....

You'd probably be doing him a huge favor.

[LostDutchman]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

Kids been fakin' IDs for years.

Had one when I was at college and was buyin' beer at 16.

Not a big deal.

[franky1]

this is a non-news topic

for:
1) fake ID's are common
2) the link to the site providing ID's, does not look like a popular industry standard ID manufacturer, it looks like someones home workshop
3) the hype should be measured inline with a photography student making cards in a school locker room and being outed by the school newspaper..

in short, no big deal in real life international terms

[LostDutchman]

this is a non-news topic

for:
1) fake ID's are common
2) the link to the site providing ID's, does not look like a popular industry standard ID manufacturer, it looks like someones home workshop
3) the hype should be measured inline with a photography student making cards in a school locker room and being outed by the school newspaper..

in short, no big deal in real life international terms

Yep.

You are 100% spot on but the media will indeed do its thing.

[serenitys]

LOL most kids can use photoshop like a pro and make IDs...and before btc they'd use cash to get them. I don't see the headline as anything more than typical bs fear mongering trying to spook people away from bitcoin.

[KSGuy]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

Kids been fakin' IDs for years.

Had one when I was at college and was buyin' beer at 16.

Not a big deal.

Exactly what I was thinking..lol
I didn't need one, I looked older then I was in HS but a fake ID isn't something that just came about from Bitcoin..lmao

[serenitys]

How is it immoral exactly again?

Morality != legality, it might be legal to fuck your mates wife but it is immoral, same thing the opposite. I just don't see how this is bad unless you let the state dictate your morals.

Not quite a morals issue, either.

If you fuck your mate's wife, and she had no say, then it's rape, which is illegal.
If you fuck your mate's wife and she consented, it's her choice over yours, so it's mostly just unfortunate for you 

[hilariousandco]

Of course.  They're saving their greenbacks for the hardcore drugs they buy on the street.  The cause is not the coin, it's a lack of guidance and support through good parenting. 

This.

Admit you're a bad parent and don't watch your kid, don't blame the coin.

Not saying that if your kid did it secretly but you are very strict or watch what your kid does, for that I commend you. It's just TOO MANY PEOPLE BLAME BITCOIN.

It doesn't always come down to bad parenting. Teenage kids are usually just rebellious and do this kind of stuff. How many people here used fake ID or drunk underage?

And of course buying fake ID with Bitcoin is no different than buying it was cash, and is probably easier and far nore prevelant to do so with it.

[Sage]

"Underage" kids buying fake Ids to subvert government laws?  Shocking 

We'd better ban Bitcoin before this trend catches on.

[zeetubes]

Morality != legality, it might be legal to fuck your mates wife but it is immoral, same thing the opposite. I just don't see how this is bad unless you let the state dictate your morals.

Not quite a morals issue, either.

If you fuck your mate's wife, and she had no say, then it's rape, which is illegal.
If you fuck your mate's wife and she consented, it's her choice over yours, so it's mostly just unfortunate for you 

I think this ad sums it up nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1erIiT0V6Q

[gary08]

This news is intent to defame the bitcoin, Money also can buy fake IDs.

[bryant.coleman]

This news is intent to defame the bitcoin, Money also can buy fake IDs.

That is the real intention. But too many negative stories like this will backfire upon them.

[Its About Sharing]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol. 

We have bigger worries than fake ID's...

IAS

[kuroman]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

I know I'm stating the obvious here but aren't they buying fake IDs and been doing so before Bitcoin? Bitcoin as any other currency or commodity can be misused but that doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to with it, but with the peoples that using it attention

[LostDutchman]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol. 

We have bigger worries than fake ID's...

IAS

You know, a few years back, the IDF (Israeli Defence Force) would find its potential fighter pilots in video game arcades.

They'd keep on the lookout for the top scorers and then offer them positions in the air force.

[serenitys]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol. 

We have bigger worries than fake ID's...

IAS

You know, a few years back, the IDF (Israeli Defence Force) would find its potential fighter pilots in video game arcades.

They'd keep on the lookout for the top scorers and then offer them positions in the air force.

Indeed...like the tri letter agencies find all the best hackers and get them to help instead ;-p

[Beliathon]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol.

This problem will be solved when there is no longer an infinite amount of fiat money being printed and shipped directly to military industrial complex war profiteers.

Please see Bitcoin vs. Political Power

P.S.
Did you know President Eisenhower warned America about the dangers of the military industrial complex?

[cbeast]

in other news: Kids Are Using Fake IDs to buy Bitcoins Online.

[cbeast]

in other news: Bitcoiners are Using Fake IDs to buy Kids Online. *joke*

[counter]

kids have used dollars to buy fake id's for a much longer amount of time.  Kids use computers to do the same thing themselves...  So I suggest we ban everything so kids will stay out of trouble forever.. agreed?

[jbrnt]

What is the article trying to say? Bitcoin is evil and is only used for shaddy deals?

Well, kids have been using cash to buy fake ids, drugs, guns (list goes on) with cash for decades. So cash is evil too? I think "bitcoin" has become the magic word in journalism. Pick any old story, stick in the magic word and people will read it.

[BoscoMurray]

I bought fake ID from adverts in The Viz and HMV using GBP. Once may fake ID even provided the police with my particulars, since I was in no fit state to give them up myself 

Many thousands of these fake ID's must have been sold and yet the adverts were never stopped, never mind slating GBP over it!

It took bloody ages to get those ID's, since money had to be sent using a cheque. Now the lucky wee buggers can send payment in a matter of minutes!

[JamesSchofield]

I'm sure children use Cash to buy these things also, Can't blame the currency. 

[LostDutchman]

I'm sure children use Cash to buy these things also, Can't blame the currency. 

This will be used as a false flag to gain further control over bitcoin and crypto as a whole.

This sort of thing is what government does.

Ask me.

At a very low point in my life I worked for government.

[Cryptopher]

What a piece of crap article. Anyone can run an article based on something that can be bought using bitcoins.

I find it ironic that a non-forgable currency/asset can be used to buy a forgeable ID. I mean come on, the problem here is that ID cards aren't robust enough. By discussing the medium in which is used to purchase said fake IDs only shows that officials accept them as a part of our society.

[RUEHL]

I'm sure children use Cash to buy these things also, Can't blame the currency.  

This will be used as a false flag to gain further control over bitcoin and crypto as a whole.

This sort of thing is what government does.

Ask me.

At a very low point in my life I worked for government.

yea, i'm suspecting the big bank illuminati are secretly funding some terrorist cells with bitcoins, via some kind of bitcoin mixer.

once the cell does their evil deeds, a computer or smartphone is conveniently found at an assailant's apartment with the bitcoin addresses used for funding.  local bitcoins was used for conversion to FIAT.

Smoking bullet to ban bitcoin.

[PeterReid]

Children will be Children.
It could be worse.

[griffin]

I'm sure children use Cash to buy these things also, Can't blame the currency. 

yeah im agree we cant blame the currency
we should blame the kids and the seller maybe 

[Zooey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

[Fugofugo]

haha sometimes kids could be very creative, but actually the problem not in the coin

[BillieGin]

Back on my day, you just had to go to the bad part of town to get one. This seems safer.

[LesterTheEight]

Another scare tactic to keep the general public from using bitcoin.. truth is, more crime has been done with the American dollar then all other currency's combined

[Balls]

This is just scare tactics pure and simple. People will see the truth eventually.

[guybrushthreepwood]

OMG THE KIDS ARE BUYING FAKE IDS AND DRUGS SHOCK HORROR!

Another scare tactic to keep the general public from using bitcoin.. truth is, more crime has been done with the American dollar then all other currency's combined

People fear what they don't understand and they don't seem to realise that though, and just believe bitcoin is being used to buy bad stuff without even thinking about all the bad stuff that is bought with regular cash every day.

[openyourmind]

well, okay. what's the difference, what do they spend them for? the main thing that they are involved in bitcoin community

[makebitcoin]

They could of just as easily bought on with cash. I don't see why they should of wrote an article about this.

[blatchcorn]

Smart kids

[TheDoors]

Not the worst thing they can buy with money. The problem is not in bitcoin, but in their relations with parents and breeding. When I was a kid I didn’t have even a thought of buying beer, in their age id’s are the last thing to think about. 

[Lauda]

The media will try anything to put Bitcoin in a negative view. It's not like the kids don't buy fake IDs everyday using fiat. 

[cryptoanarchist]

The problem is that there aren't enough people selling quality fake IDs.

[justusranvier]

Another scare tactic to keep the general public from using bitcoin.. truth is, more crime has been done with the American dollar then all other currency's combined

It's awesome. I love these kinds of articles.

The kinds of people who read The Atlantic will buy fewer Bitcoins. This is great news for me because, in general, I prefer that those people have as little economic power in the future as possible.

On the other hands, a bunch of kids who didn't already know just learned that Bitcoins are immediately useful to them.

Bitcoin is winning the hearts and minds of the next generation, while undermining the older generations who've spent their whole lives running up debts and starting wars all over the world.

[vipgelsi]

What a stupid idea.

[acs267]

So, in the news report they said people were offering discounts for buying fake ID's with Bitcoin?

Jeez, that's smart. Telling people that at first, you could buy it without Bitcoin. Which is certainly obvious. People have been doing it for years, yet, they wrote that to target XBT/BTC? When the article even states you could obviously buy it with fiat?

[romneymoney]

When I was in HS I had an legal age drunk friend who would buy anytime for a little tip.

[Its About Sharing]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol. 

We have bigger worries than fake ID's...

IAS

You know, a few years back, the IDF (Israeli Defence Force) would find its potential fighter pilots in video game arcades.

They'd keep on the lookout for the top scorers and then offer them positions in the air force.

That doesn't shock me. "Victory" at all costs, just wonder for who, or is that what?

[Fatpony]

At least they are not ordering a contract killer to get rid of their math teacher.

[Its About Sharing]

A more concerning thing for me is the Military getting involved in video games to desensitize children to killing.
And throw on that offering college to 18 year old kids after a few years of becoming hired killers. (often times).
They should think of raising the minimum age of going in the military to 21, like alcohol.

This problem will be solved when there is no longer an infinite amount of fiat money being printed and shipped directly to military industrial complex war profiteers.

Please see Bitcoin vs. Political Power

P.S.
Did you know President Eisenhower warned America about the dangers of the military industrial complex?

Clearly inflating money at will is a form of slavery, just too bad people en mass don't understand banking. Bitcoin/Crypto is our chance...

Very familiar with Eisenhower's statement. My favorite is Kennedy's speech on Secret Societies (They) killed him a few weeks later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdUsJHeVXiE

[Lauda]

The problem is that there aren't enough people selling quality fake IDs.

That is another problem indeed. I've been looking around a bit, they are average quality at best. It's not like you can't really find a person who knows a person that can make these. There are a lot of them going around these days.

[fancyboy]

At least they are not ordering a contract killer to get rid of their math teacher.

I believe it would cost much more coins than just fake id 
By the way, i never read an article about contract killers using bitcoin..

[professorXY]

I wish my kid was using bitcoin to buy fake ids instead of smoking whis his friens after classes

[Lauda]

At least they are not ordering a contract killer to get rid of their math teacher.

I believe it would cost much more coins than just fake id 
By the way, i never read an article about contract killers using bitcoin..

You can pay them with just about anything these days. You won't find such news, but I'm sure that some would accept bitcoin.
One can find all kinds of things (including these IDs) in the 'Deep Web'.

[Yakamoto]

At least they are not ordering a contract killer to get rid of their math teacher.

I believe it would cost much more coins than just fake id 
By the way, i never read an article about contract killers using bitcoin..

You can pay them with just about anything these days. You won't find such news, but I'm sure that some would accept bitcoin.
One can find all kinds of things (including these IDs) in the 'Deep Web'.

And I stay on the surface web for a reason

[haploid23]

News headline of century:

"Before bitcoins came about, kids were buying fake ID with cash". Very surprising, right??

[Lauda]

You can pay them with just about anything these days. You won't find such news, but I'm sure that some would accept bitcoin.
One can find all kinds of things (including these IDs) in the 'Deep Web'.

And I stay on the surface web for a reason

This is just the ordinary web. I don't think that anyone calls it the 'surface web'. 
Indeed, you should stay away from the Deep Web and all related illegal activity there. 

[Yakamoto]

You can pay them with just about anything these days. You won't find such news, but I'm sure that some would accept bitcoin.
One can find all kinds of things (including these IDs) in the 'Deep Web'.

And I stay on the surface web for a reason

This is just the ordinary web. I don't think that anyone calls it the 'surface web'. 
Indeed, you should stay away from the Deep Web and all related illegal activity there. 

Well, I call it the surface web. It's just the antonym to "deep", so that's my thought process.

The deep web isn't very cool anyways, I have no interest in anything there anyways. Anything that I am interested in that may be available there I can find legally and from a licensed company.

[googlemaster1]

Hey, if CNN covers this, something tells me localbitcoins traffic will increase by 50%.  Someone note Alexa traffic rankings and mark my words!

[neighborrr]

so just sell it to them. no matter how they spend them!

[RomeoCharlie]

so just sell it to them. no matter how they spend them!

that's right! we are on a free market, I don't care what they spend it for after they bought it from me  )

[iluvpie60]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

So what, my cousin bought fake IDs from China using a credit card, you just buy a "toy" and in the toy comes 2 fake IDs. He showed me the whole process and got them pretty quick. BTC isn't some thing that magically allows everyone to start doing illegal things. The illegal things were happening in cash/credit cards before BTC existed.

non-story.

[iluvpie60]

Hey, if CNN covers this, something tells me localbitcoins traffic will increase by 50%.  Someone note Alexa traffic rankings and mark my words!

Too lazy yourself to note the traffic rankings?

[Lauda]

This is just the ordinary web. I don't think that anyone calls it the 'surface web'. 
Indeed, you should stay away from the Deep Web and all related illegal activity there. 

Well, I call it the surface web. It's just the antonym to "deep", so that's my thought process.

The deep web isn't very cool anyways, I have no interest in anything there anyways. Anything that I am interested in that may be available there I can find legally and from a licensed company.

Okay then, I'm just saying that it usually isn't called that way. 
Actually the deep web is much better than this one, much more interesting but dangerous as well. 

[Fatpony]

At least they are not ordering a contract killer to get rid of their math teacher.

I believe it would cost much more coins than just fake id 
By the way, i never read an article about contract killers using bitcoin..

Well silkroad comes to my mind

[gogxmagog]

you need ID to get verified on the exchanges now. where do they get the btc for those IDs?

[Yakamoto]

you need ID to get verified on the exchanges now. where do they get the btc for those IDs?

ID.

Really.

WELP localbitcoins it is now, unless they twisted that around too.

[gogxmagog]

seems legit

[Yakamoto]

seems legit

10/10 would accept.

[counter]

Children will be Children.
It could be worse.

Agreed and bad journalists will be... well you know.

News headline of century:

"Before bitcoins came about, kids were buying fake ID with cash". Very surprising, right??

Isn't it funny how such an obvious fact is overlooked by the media in this case.  They would love to act like all of a sudden kids stopped using the dollar and their buying all the fake id's, lol.

[serenitys]

Wow kids are using bitcoin for fake IDs?!

Adults, grown men in suits use fiat to fund bank heists and fund wars that wreck nations and threaten the economy. When THEY are in prison, then I'll worry about a kid getting a fake ID. 

[b!z]

if u restrict kidz from downloading fake ids you restrict their freedoms as Americans.  might as well live in china

MUH FREEDOMS

[alani123]

The thing is that you can find someone to sell you almost anythng online. Is it because of the anonymity bitcoin offers? I don't think so! Bitcoin's anonymity is partial, realy few people use the appropriate tools to be fully anonymous with it. There are several other payment processors that provide anonymous transactions and are used for fraud too. Why put the blame on bitcoin when there are registered companies that profide the same tools to fraudsters and also in a larger volume?

Few examples would be Perfect money and Payeer. Top e-currency payment processors used for controversial transactions and money laundering.

[bluemeanie1]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/how-kids-are-using-bitcoin-to-buy-fake-ids-online/362008/

kids are using US Dollars to buy fake IDs.  Should we ban US Dollars?

notice how they are never consistent with this thinking.

-bm

[oXo]

Of course.  They're saving their greenbacks for the hardcore drugs they buy on the street.  The cause is not the coin, it's a lack of guidance and support through good parenting. 

I agree to most of this, it doesn't matter if they do it with cash or with bitcoins as those are just currencies, but it's people's nature's and teaching that determine these.

[mezmerizer9]

Well today, no one wants to blame their kids, Its always someone elses fault.

[keithers]

Poor parents are always the ones that are so quick to blame everyone but themselves for their children's decisions and actions.   They love to point the finger at someone (in this case Bitcoin), and blame bitcoin for their inability to monitor their own kids.

If it wasn't bitcoin they would be buying these with cash anyway.   Probably the cash that they obtained from selling the pills out of these same parents medicine cabinets. 

[Davis14]

If there was no bitcoin then they would just be using something else perhaps LTC?