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Unfortunately I must resign as an individual member of the Bitcoin Foundation.  Reasons are many, but the following are salient:
Charlie Shrem engaging in alleged money laundering and associated crimes.
Mark Karpeles misappropriating people's money to the tune of millions.
Brock Pierce being associated with alleged pedophilia. (Now newly elected to an industry seat)
This is not the direction this foundation needs to take.  The foundation members need to emulate very high moral values and ethics in business and in personal dealings, especially as it involves money.  So far, the track record of prominent Bitcoin Foundation members has been abysmal.  I know that most foundation members are probably swell people and are not like this.  However, the acts of a few, have overshadowed us all unfortunately.

I no longer want to be associated with these people.

It is my wish that as the Bitcoin Foundation lay in ashes, another organization can rise up from these ashes and take its proper place representing the great idea that is bitcoin.

I would also like to thank all the hard work and volunteers who have coded Bitcoin Core, various other projects, and came up with some very creative ideas to deal with various problems.  You are awesome.

Goodbye and Best Wishes,

Patrick

Don't just walk away from the Bitcoin Foundation post you resignation at the link below.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/

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Unfortunately I must resign as an individual member of the Bitcoin Foundation.  Reasons are many, but the following are salient:
Charlie Shrem engaging in alleged money laundering and associated crimes.
Mark Karpeles misappropriating people's money to the tune of millions.
Brock Pierce being associated with alleged pedophilia. (Now newly elected to an industry seat)
This is not the direction this foundation needs to take.  The foundation members need to emulate very high moral values and ethics in business and in personal dealings, especially as it involves money.  So far, the track record of prominent Bitcoin Foundation members has been abysmal.  I know that most foundation members are probably swell people and are not like this.  However, the acts of a few, have overshadowed us all unfortunately.

I no longer want to be associated with these people.

It is my wish that as the Bitcoin Foundation lay in ashes, another organization can rise up from these ashes and take its proper place representing the great idea that is bitcoin.

I would also like to thank all the hard work and volunteers who have coded Bitcoin Core, various other projects, and came up with some very creative ideas to deal with various problems.  You are awesome.

Goodbye and Best Wishes,

Patrick

Don't just walk away from the Bitcoin Foundation post you resignation at the link below.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/

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May 10, 2014, 04:37:27 PM
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They have been given opportunity to do something good for the bitcoin community and used it to their advantange. Typical human being  Huh

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May 10, 2014, 04:40:52 PM
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May 10, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
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This.

Lot of FUD going down this week, probably because BTC is slowly creeping back up the exchange rate... they know what's coming and they're afraid... they'll be desperate soon. Followed by hopeless.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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May 10, 2014, 05:55:52 PM
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"alleged"
"alleged"
"alleged"
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"alleged"

I love how this guy wants to convict people himself and doesn't want to be associated with anyone who has even been ACCUSED of a crime.

Don't you get that is what the gov'ts and Power Elite want...they want to get people on trumped up and false charges and have the sheep run away.

We don't need Patrick on the Foundation...good riddance
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May 10, 2014, 06:03:27 PM
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title rechange

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resignation makes you think he is employed, which is not the case. also those with morals that are leaving, will just concentrate the immoral that stay, thus it will become more biased towards a more immoral path they take.

my real question. apart from paying a few devs to help secure bitcoin-core. what has the foundation done?
have they attended the latest lobby meeting in which mastercard reps went to?
apart from just explaining what bitcoin is to government bodies have they actually been involved in changing laws to be less draconian?

most videos of official government hearings have just been waffle about how bitcoin is great and has potential, but was very lacking in any actual material/plans of action. to make bitcoin more legally acceptable for common man on the street.

its not a "here is what we will do to make businesses more ethical and approachable so you dont need to whip us"
its more "we are nice people dont whip us, we wont hurt anyone, and we wont also get involved with anyone that hurts others either(ignoring)"

bitcoin spokesmen seem to be more submissive rather than dominant about the law. so i view the foundation as just employers of the bitcoin-core crew and a bunch of time wasting pubic faces that talk alot but do not actually have any goals, plans or achievements.

basically i s this as the history of TBF
launch: membership fee's help half baked commitments of TBF become a reality to help the community

now:  the reality of community membership fee's help TBF be committed to become half baked (sun tanned and stoned)

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May 10, 2014, 06:03:50 PM
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Never heard of any of these guys. I dont know why people care about the foundation.

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May 10, 2014, 07:50:12 PM
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Holy shit, Batman, what the hell brought all this on?  Roll Eyes


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May 10, 2014, 08:09:31 PM
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Holy shit, Batman, what the hell brought all this on?  Roll Eyes


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May 10, 2014, 09:18:06 PM
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The Bitcoin foundation is irrelevant, don't conform to their system just like how people don't conform to the idea that governments should have a monopoly over money, the great thing about open source cryptocurrencies is no matter what anybody tries, nobody can control it, not without taking down the whole internet.
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May 10, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
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I don't know exactly how members their are in the foundation. I remembered the list was quite long. So, a handful of members resigning is not a big deal to the foundation. I doubt they will react.

I respect those who resigned. I do not know who they are and how important they are in the foundation. IMO, they are doing the right thing, standing up to what they believe in. Whether the acused are guilty or not, they are not the type of people anyone should be associated with.
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May 10, 2014, 10:48:16 PM
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This is not a good time for this kind of stuff  but I guess we can't expect life to always work out the way we want it to or even Bitcoin.  Not sure what to say about the public resignation at this time.  Alot of this info is "up in the air" and I'm reserving judgement until I know more.  I will say it does not look good.
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This is not a good time for this kind of stuff  but I guess we can't expect life to always work out the way we want it to or even Bitcoin.  Not sure what to say about the public resignation at this time.  Alot of this info is "up in the air" and I'm reserving judgement until I know more.  I will say it does not look good.

True.

If there are any real life visionaries and leaders at the Bitcoin Foundation he/she/they need to stand up right now and act decisively. You can only defer to Satoshi Nakamoto for so long.
From what I have seen I am not hopeful.

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Well said, if there are people that have their wits about them over there then now is the time to get things in order as best as possible.  Not the kind of scandals they need to be associated with in their position at all.
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May 10, 2014, 11:06:56 PM
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<putting on tin foil hat>

Is it possible that this is the way TBF hoped it would play out so that some other entity, namely Bruce Fenton's Bitcoin Association, can take its place? Remember, stakes are high concerning Bitcoin, with even a 28-year-old woman committing suicide(?) over it.

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May 10, 2014, 11:08:41 PM
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Good choice to resign.

Shysters feigning legitimacy and virtue—what a joke the Bitcoin Foundation is and always has been, like collusive politicians making promises that the people of this very forum actually believed and wherefore offered their financial support. The lot of you, let your Bitcoin Foundation Membership badge be your Scarlet Letter.

At least the Bitcoin Foundation needs Bitcoin more than Bitcoin needs them.



The time is ripe for genuine leadership and vision.

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May 10, 2014, 11:09:39 PM
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<putting on tin foil hat>

Is it possible that this is the way TBF hoped it would play out so that some other entity, namely Bruce Fenton's Bitcoin Association, can take its place? Remember, stakes are high concerning Bitcoin, with even a 28-year-old woman committing suicide(?) over it.

<hat off>

I wouldn't be surprised, actually. Stakes are pretty damn high at this point.
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I wonder what made you join the foundation in the first place. All they do is shake hands, smile and wipe butts.


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Don't just walk away from the Bitcoin Foundation post you resignation at the link below.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/
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Thanks for the heads up, this is big news.  Dropping like flies abandoning the titanic.
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Don't just walk away from the Bitcoin Foundation post you resignation at the link below.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/
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Thanks for the heads up, this is big news.  Dropping like flies abandoning the titanic.

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/SOS-503/

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May 11, 2014, 04:40:36 AM
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Never been a fan of TBF, and I don't think they have done anything enough meaningful for bitcoin

But if the foundation members could jointly provide some fiat reserve as backing for bitcoin, to ensure its price stability, I might consider join Cool

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Never been a fan of TBF, and I don't think they have done anything enough meaningful for bitcoin

But if the foundation members could jointly provide some fiat reserve as backing for bitcoin, to ensure its price stability, I might consider join Cool

The dumbest thing i have heard this year.... i hope nothing can top this. This forum never cease to amaze me tho.



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it's easy. Log out. Register new account. Done  Wink



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i wonder how they still have lots of companies as members, there must be a big scam going on that is more worth than the companies image
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And start all over as a noob?  Roll Eyes

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Never thought I would read something like this so soon when I (among a few others) criticized TBF from day one. At that time such criticism was not well received at all.

Thumbs up for admitting a mistake.


TBF has already done a lot of damage. Disband it asap.

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The only reason I joined was to go to the conference in San Jose.  That was a watermark event here in the US.  A great conference and an important milestone.  The foundation (Patrick Murck specifically) make great progress with the US government in Washington.

With the election of Pierce they are just a travesty and it negates much of the good they have done in the past.

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Since The Bitcon Foundation is big too fail, I propose saving it with Save TBF at savetbf.org.

Here's the plan. Start a company and register it in Cyprus, calling it SunAdo, named after Lot's wife. With me so far? Good! Then we raise VC capital of $10xM USD and buy it out. Then, we get theymos' website builder guy who improved this forum with the $350K USD he received to-date of the $1M USD projected to finish the job to revamp TBF. Then, we put some low-lives on the board and fucked it all up again.

The other option is to let Bitcoin Association fill the role of TBF... WHAT THE FUCK AM I PENNING?
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Never been a fan of TBF, and I don't think they have done anything enough meaningful for bitcoin

But if the foundation members could jointly provide some fiat reserve as backing for bitcoin, to ensure its price stability, I might consider join Cool

The dumbest thing i have heard this year.... i hope nothing can top this. This forum never cease to amaze me tho.


To be a currency, you need some degree of price stability, otherwise it is just a speculative commodity with wild price swings. If all the bitcoin-accepting merchant immediately convert coins to fiat money to avoid exchange risk, bitcoin will not become a true net currency that is fiat money independent

With a large bitcoin and fiat money reserve, the volatility can be greatly reduced, to make it function more like a normal currency

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Please remove my name from the Bitcoin Foundation, I, Polycoin, am resigning.

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He points to Charlie Shrem (former BitInstant CEO and accused money launderer), Mark Karpeles (former Mt. Gox CEO), and Brock Pierce (newly-elected board member who has dealt with legal issues of his own) as reasons why the Foundation is headed the wrong way.

it's beginning to look like 'the heads of the 5 families' from the Godfather.

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Please remove my name from the Bitcoin Foundation, I, Polycoin, am resigning.

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Dude, you need to go here https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/951-post-your-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-here/ then come back and let us know your queue position, unless you want to sell it, then I suggest going to the Marketplace section.

Hey, I just thought of something. As people resign, I move up the ladder. Having never been in any bitcoin mining hardware queues, I find this... Not sure what I find, but I move up nonetheless.
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This just in:
Brock Pierce, Associate Of Embattled X-Men Director, Joins The Bitcoin Foundation
http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicolasmedinamora/brock-pierce-associate-of-embattled-x-men-director-joins-the
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Never been a fan of TBF, and I don't think they have done anything enough meaningful for bitcoin

But if the foundation members could jointly provide some fiat reserve as backing for bitcoin, to ensure its price stability, I might consider join Cool

The dumbest thing i have heard this year.... i hope nothing can top this. This forum never cease to amaze me tho.


To be a currency, you need some degree of price stability, otherwise it is just a speculative commodity with wild price swings. If all the bitcoin-accepting merchant immediately convert coins to fiat money to avoid exchange risk, bitcoin will not become a true net currency that is fiat money independent

With a large bitcoin and fiat money reserve, the volatility can be greatly reduced, to make it function more like a normal currency

I am a fan of most your ideas johnyj, but I don't think your proposed fiat bidwall idea would work.  Let's imagine that for several months it actually accomplishes what you want and we see a reduction in bitcoin price volatility.  If this happens, then bitcoin becomes more useful as a currency like you said.  But if it becomes more useful, then demand to hold bitcoin will increase, thereby pushing up the price.  Eventually, the price will explode upwards again, rise too high too fast, and eventually crash--increasing volatility all over again.  

So I think the only way to reduce volatility is to increase adoption (and thus bitcoin's market cap) organically .

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He points to Charlie Shrem (former BitInstant CEO and accused money launderer), Mark Karpeles (former Mt. Gox CEO), and Brock Pierce (newly-elected board member who has dealt with legal issues of his own) as reasons why the Foundation is headed the wrong way.

it's beginning to look like 'the heads of the 5 families' from the Godfather.

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Courageous move my fuckin' ass! Prior to me posting on Brock Pierce ~3 weeks ago, there were only 3-4 mundane posts pertaining to him on this forum. Now, his cohorts are exposing their user accounts on this forum, some stemming back over three years.
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This just in:
Brock Pierce, Associate Of Embattled X-Men Director, Joins The Bitcoin Foundation
http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicolasmedinamora/brock-pierce-associate-of-embattled-x-men-director-joins-the

I have first dibs on posting the first Brock Pierce meme: https://bitcorati.com/2014/05/11/leave-brock-pierce-alone-rumors-bitcoin-foundation-board-member/

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I wish I could change my avatar image.  Embarrassed

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Nice sig. I just wish the EFF didn't come up so often during my searches unrelated to them, for it makes me want to did deeper, and I'm not quite ready for that rabbit hole if one exist.
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I can't believe anyone would be a member in the first place. Who the hell thought a foundation claiming to represent a decentralized currency was a good idea?

And the best part of course, you have to pay money to join! They even have a "Platinum: $100,000" option.  What a blatant money-making scheme. Can we just stop mentioning this stupid, pointless organization and let it die?

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I can't believe anyone would be a member in the first place. Who the hell thought a foundation claiming to represent a decentralized currency was a good idea?

And the best part of course, you have to pay money to join! They even have a "Platinum: $100,000" option.  What a blatant money-making scheme. Can we just stop mentioning this stupid, pointless organization and let it die?

Could not put if better myself, let this pointless "foundation" die. They do not represent the bitcoin community at all, any "company or foundation" can, they are not special, and most members of the foundation are money grabbers. You are stupid if you pay to be a member of this foundation, they will do nothing but damage bitcoin.

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I can't believe anyone would be a member in the first place. Who the hell thought a foundation claiming to represent a decentralized currency was a good idea?

This exactly is the key point! That's the reason I rejected it from the very beginning.

It's not only about some shady charactors being at its board. It's the structure that makes it dangerous, because it is a centralized gateway for political influence on the bitcoin protocol from within and from outside TBF.
What makes it worse is that the TBF mission goal is to lobby (= bootlick) for bitcoin by embracing "regulation" (= jeopardizing the decentralized nature of bitcoin) to please governmental crooks.

If some kind of "bitcoin foundation" existed it should be anonymous, decentralized and apolitical with the only goal to collect funds for bitcoin protocol development. But for this purpose no foundation is needed. Developers could just post a donation address.

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If some kind of "bitcoin foundation" existed it should be anonymous, decentralized and apolitical with the only goal to collect funds for bitcoin protocol development. But for this purpose no foundation is needed. Developers could just post a donation address.

This has been my opinion for a while. The developers could at least provide this as an alternative option to paying for Bitcoin Foundation stuff.

A single multi-sig address, with a key from each full time core developer, would be ideal. Then they could come up with the number of minimum number of signatures to spend for themselves, and decide who gets what money and why for themselves. I suspect spending on things like permanent offices and full-time secretaries would get little consensus until they were sitting on a huge war chest.

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If some kind of "bitcoin foundation" existed it should be anonymous, decentralized and apolitical with the only goal to collect funds for bitcoin protocol development. But for this purpose no foundation is needed. Developers could just post a donation address.

This has been my opinion for a while. The developers could at least provide this as an alternative option to paying for Bitcoin Foundation stuff.

A single multi-sig address, with a key from each full time core developer, would be ideal. Then they could come up with the number of minimum number of signatures to spend for themselves, and decide who gets what money and why for themselves. I suspect spending on things like permanent offices and full-time secretaries would get little consensus until they were sitting on a huge war chest.

I like this idea.  We should explore it more.   Maybe a separate thread?  A github?  This is after all an open source community.
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bitcoin foundation is only a slogan, if they dont do good for bitcoin, they doesn't matter

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bitcoin foundation is only a slogan, if they dont do good for bitcoin, they doesn't matter

That is naive and short sited.

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that slogan just made them shit load of monayyyyyy Cheesy
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I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 

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I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 

I see the light.  Only the mighty Foundation stands between bitcoin cryptocurrency freedom and Orwellian doom.


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I'm sure our overlords in Washington will do a good job coming up with their own laws. Who needs a foundation? I say we stop fighting for our rights and go with whatever reqirements regulators and banking lobbyists come up with.  Oh yes, the banking industry is not going to stop lobbying for their interests. They will dominate the discussion and get whatever they can get away with.
If I were a bank I would re-double my efforts right now and preclude any talk of bitcoin ATMs or selling/buying bitcoin without an expensive trade license. I would also go after your ISP for allowing bitcoin to exist on their network. You know, to keep the terrorists at bay. 
 

I see the light.  Only the mighty Foundation stands between bitcoin cryptocurrency freedom and Orwellian doom.


Almost. Only WE stand between these things. You and me fellow peer. Hey we should organize a fight! We could start some kind of.... Oh, I don't know... a foundation or something.  Cheesy

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@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!
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May 12, 2014, 05:27:00 PM
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@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!
I am. I don't hold a seat or anything. But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

I am open to other groups or efforts. The foundation could be one of may prongs. But ranting to the quire on a random internet forum produces nothing of value; except the value they provide bank lobbyist.  Undecided

 


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@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!
I am. I don't hold a seat or anything. But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

I am open to other groups or efforts. The foundation could be one of may prongs. But ranting to the quire on a random internet forum produces nothing of value; except the value they provide bank lobbyist.  Undecided

yea i hear you, but still, TBF should be aware they're voicing for kinda anarchists-liberals people (bitcoiners) and technology, so they should therefore be careful with their actions because of being under constant scrutiny and pressure.
i mean, that Gox scandal when they still sent noobs to the doomed plateform, the lack of real schedule, plans and reports.. and now that peado being nominated. thats all terrible choices. even if unfounded. its very bad advertising for Bitcoin in general and they should have known better.
How would you want to address govs and layers if it remains shady aspects on your side?
Anyho, keep it up man. im sure not all TBF members are greedy incompetent scums that just happened to be there first Smiley
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May 12, 2014, 06:39:30 PM
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The Bitcoin Foundation is collapsing amid a storm of controversy - an article by The Cryptocurrency Times http://www.usacryptocoins.com/thecryptocurrencytimes/uncategorized/the-bitcoin-foundation-is-collapsing-amid-a-storm-of-controversy/
It is not collapsing. This article is invalid. If you look at the thread, many people have/are leaving TBF. I won't be posting in that thread, but leaving is the main option for me. Enough is enough. You can still find a few ignorant individuals who are ignoring all of this.

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For what it's worth, here's Brock's response to the claims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQuJR80mUY
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@rodeoX are you part of TBF?!
I am. I don't hold a seat or anything. But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

I am open to other groups or efforts. The foundation could be one of may prongs. But ranting to the quire on a random internet forum produces nothing of value; except the value they provide bank lobbyist.  Undecided

 



Who needs that? I do not. That's you who needs it, that's not "our" needs.

The foundation could not be "may prongs" or anything. Your organization is a shame to whoever speaks the bitcoin name around. The ordinary people, include the lawmakers, they read the news. They read about all the factual frauds and other crimes, including pedophilia, your organization with the bitcoin name is associated with. And so, they think we are all like the crooks from your organization.
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Take a look at the Decentralized Union: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=606463.0
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May 13, 2014, 12:02:18 AM
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bitcoin foundation is only a slogan, if they dont do good for bitcoin, they doesn't matter

I think at the time when the Bitcoin Foundation was put together there was such a need.  Now I'm unsure all I'm sure of is this is in no way a good thing for Bitcoin.  Surprising how this has already turned out in a short amount of time if you ask me.
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If some kind of "bitcoin foundation" existed it should be anonymous, decentralized and apolitical with the only goal to collect funds for bitcoin protocol development. But for this purpose no foundation is needed. Developers could just post a donation address.

This has been my opinion for a while. The developers could at least provide this as an alternative option to paying for Bitcoin Foundation stuff.

A single multi-sig address, with a key from each full time core developer, would be ideal. Then they could come up with the number of minimum number of signatures to spend for themselves, and decide who gets what money and why for themselves. I suspect spending on things like permanent offices and full-time secretaries would get little consensus until they were sitting on a huge war chest.

I like this idea.  We should explore it more.   Maybe a separate thread?  A github?  This is after all an open source community.

Why complicate the obvious? I think devs know how to post a donation address...

But there needs to be an org to talk to lawmakers and the people who work hard there (different than the celebs) are making a difference at a very high level. People like Patrick Murck, Brian Gross, Elizabeth Plowshay, Jim Harper, Jinyoung Englund, and others.

People here seem to love to play the victim and fight all power. Even when that power is acting on their behalf. I think we are at a critical moment in the fight for our economic future and our bitcoin rights. Banks and other players are making there moves in a sensible organized way. While we bitch at each other and spew ridiculous conspiracy theories. That sort of thing is not going to get you anywhere with regulators.

You don't get it. Bitcoins potential stems from the technology behind it. Believing you can do deals with lawmakers in favor of Bitcoin is hopelessly naive.

Instead the one and only focus should be improvement of Bitcoins technology - for example usability, decentralized access and privacy. Bitcoin is a true technological revolution in finance. Such revolutions do not have to ask for permission by whatever crooks currently in charge, they just happen.

An organization such as the TBF where all members must reveal their identities and which tries to serve as a central access point for the ever growing governmental need for "regulation" is a disservice and danger to bitcoin, because all members of this organization (even assuming all adhere to the highest standard of integrity - which obviously isn't the case) can easily be blackmailed to harm bitcoin. - Ever thought about why Satoshi preferred to stay anonymous?

We don't need lobbying for bitcoin. We need government-shielded bitcoin technology from independent developers.

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But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries. In fact it represents bitcoin. Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 
It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

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But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

For me Brock is mostly irrelevant (he's innocent until proven guilty), it's not about a single person it's about the very structure and central aim of TBF that contradicts essential characteristics of bitcoin: decentralized, trustless (in relation to people) and apolitical. It's the entire TBF that is ill-constructed, undemocratic and a gateway for political influence on the bitcoin protocol. Therefore the whole thing must be disbanded.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries.

Proof? Who thinks  that? TBF represents only itself - its board and its members. These members are certainly not anarchists nor revolutionaries but well adapted to societal norms.

In fact it represents bitcoin.

An outrageous and impertinent claim. They've enthroned themselves as bitcoin overlords with ZERO legitimacy.

Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 

You state obvious facts which never have been disputed and are in fact a counterargument against your defense of TBF.

It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

It was never claimed that regulators would go away. They will try to enforce regulation with or without TBF. But with TBF it will be much easier for them to accomplish their destructive goals because of the central TBF-bootlicker-access-point. And when they have achieved a bit of regulation they want more...

The problem of regulation must be circumvented and made obsolete through the advancement of bitcoin technology (>> enhanced privacy and decentralization).

You can't negotiate with people that have all the power who either don't understand bitcoin, are ignorant, or are actively combating bitcoins promise for the majority. To trust in the word of such people is plain dumb.

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Bitcoin Foundation had its purpose to help prosper Bitcoin but it has been strike by many negative feedbacks and outlooks.

It was never an Official central organization in the first place.

Let's see how it goes and what they announce at the upcoming conference in Amsterdam this coming weekend.
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But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused"...
Therefore the whole thing must be disbanded.
Must implies it will happen. Yet it is highly unlikely.
People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries.
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Proof? Who thinks  that? TBF represents only itself - its board and its members. These members are certainly not anarchists nor revolutionaries but well adapted to societal norms.
How bout a few post above "TBF should be aware they're voicing for kinda anarchists-liberals people"

In fact it represents bitcoin.

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An outrageous and impertinent claim. They've enthroned themselves as bitcoin overlords with ZERO legitimacy.
Where does it say that in our charter?

Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 

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You state obvious facts which never have been disputed and are in fact a counterargument against your defense of TBF.
Don't understand what your saying?

It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

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It was never claimed that regulators would go away. They will try to enforce regulation with or without TBF. But with TBF it will be much easier for them to accomplish their destructive goals because of the central TBF-bootlicker-access-point. And when they have achieved a bit of regulation they want more...
So do you pay taxes? Why are you a boot licker or something?
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The problem of regulation must be circumvented and made obsolete through the advancement of bitcoin technology (>> enhanced privacy and decentralization).
That's just laughable.

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You can't negotiate with people that have all the power who either don't understand bitcoin, are ignorant, or are actively combating bitcoins promise for the majority. To trust in the word of such people is plain dumb.
You can, and I do. And they do not have the power.

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For what it's worth, here's Brock's response to the claims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQuJR80mUY

You can't expect him to do anything else but deny everything.

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They have been given opportunity to do something good for the bitcoin community and used it to their advantange. Typical human being  Huh

Sad but true  Undecided
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For what it's worth, here's Brock's response to the claims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQuJR80mUY

You can't expect him to do anything else but deny everything.
Of course, but it's worth observing nonetheless.

His body language makes me incredulous.
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Charlie Shrem also looks to be a scammer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0

Him and Karpleles as initial Foundation board members. Cripes

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I don't know how many members are in the foundation.Those who are resigning don't know what's the reason but it's really a bad news. Sad

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But again, look how much confusion there is. Brock was apparently "accused" of something 15 years ago, but there is no evidence or a trial or anything. Do you know something? If you do please call the police. I myself did not vote for him however an accusation is not enough to ask for his seat, which he was elected too. If something had been discovered it would be him leaving the foundation, not me.

People also seem to think the foundation represents anarchists and revolutionaries. In fact it represents bitcoin. Math is not moral or political and there are communists, libertarians, Jihadists, etc. using bitcoin. It is a global phenomenon and includes many people who would disagree with any of us. 
It is self delusion to think doing nothing will make all the regulators go away. There will be more laws the only question is what they will be.

Not sure why, but your posts on the bitcoin foundation are full of delusions.

Believing the things you do does not make them true....
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I don't know how many members are in the foundation.Those who are resigning don't know what's the reason but it's really a bad news. Sad
It was some months ago. Several people left for various reasons including that they felt the foundation was not transparent enough. At least a few ended up not leaving after all.


Not sure why, but your posts on the bitcoin foundation are full of delusions.

Believing the things you do does not make them true....
Oh, what things?

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if you don't like the rotten and centralised foundation join the distributed, legitimate one here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934517.0

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I don't know how many members are in the foundation.Those who are resigning don't know what's the reason but it's really a bad news. Sad
It was some months ago. Several people left for various reasons including that they felt the foundation was not transparent enough. At least a few ended up not leaving after all.


Not sure why, but your posts on the bitcoin foundation are full of delusions.

Believing the things you do does not make them true....
Oh, what things?
For example, your defense of Pierce.  Leave the pedo stuff aside, look at his long history of hard core drug use, which he admits to, IIRC.  So he publicly admits to felonies for which he has not been convicted.

I'm not saying that a lot of us don't have problems, or that they perhaps shouldn't be left buried in the past.  

But this attitude of yours that there's a transitional line between "good human" and "bad human" crossed when a court issues a felony conviction?   That's ridiculous.  

Second you allege that "the Foundation represents Bitcoin."  Well, maybe to a lot of people and for very good reasons The Foundation represented Mark Karpeles.  Ever heard of him?  

Ever looked at how many non profit foundations have multiple board members under criminal indictments?

Basically, NONE.  Not one in a thousand.  But you'd ignore that, apparently...

By your logic not only is Pierce innocent, but also Shrem and Karpeles, and many others who are well known scammers and hustlers.    Obviously, something is rotten in your logic there.  That is what I feel impelled to point out.
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if you don't like the rotten and centralised foundation join the distributed, legitimate one here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934517.0
What do you think about the gemini winklevi exchange being centralized as hell but being praised as the saviour of bitcoin? is centralization good or bad for bitcoin?
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I don't know how many members are in the foundation.Those who are resigning don't know what's the reason but it's really a bad news. Sad
It was some months ago. Several people left for various reasons including that they felt the foundation was not transparent enough. At least a few ended up not leaving after all.


Not sure why, but your posts on the bitcoin foundation are full of delusions.

Believing the things you do does not make them true....
Oh, what things?
For example, your defense of Pierce.  Leave the pedo stuff aside, look at his long history of hard core drug use, which he admits to, IIRC.  So he publicly admits to felonies for which he has not been convicted.

I'm not saying that a lot of us don't have problems, or that they perhaps shouldn't be left buried in the past.  

But this attitude of yours that there's a transitional line between "good human" and "bad human" crossed when a court issues a felony conviction?   That's ridiculous.  

Second you allege that "the Foundation represents Bitcoin."  Well, maybe to a lot of people and for very good reasons The Foundation represented Mark Karpeles.  Ever heard of him?  

Ever looked at how many non profit foundations have multiple board members under criminal indictments?

Basically, NONE.  Not one in a thousand.  But you'd ignore that, apparently...

By your logic not only is Pierce innocent, but also Shrem and Karpeles, and many others who are well known scammers and hustlers.    Obviously, something is rotten in your logic there.  That is what I feel impelled to point out.

I understand. I would ask you to consider that I am not defending Pierce, Shrem, or Karpeles. I am trying to separate facts from accusations. I lobbied against Brock Peirce for his seat. But the election had him as the winner anyway. Should I disregard a fair vote because he was accused of something in the past? Should his drug use preclude him from serving? If so then why can George Bush do acid and coke and still be president? It's true that if Brock were convicted I would feel different. Not because he goes from being good to bad, but because the claim was seriously looked at and investigated by a court rather than a bitcoin forum.
Look at the case of Mark K. You would think from reading here that he stole the money at Gox. There is no evidence of that, but the people who lost money want to blame someone rather than face the idea that an anonymous thief took their money and it is gone forever. Maybe Mark did take the money, maybe not. We do not know. That's the fact, and all I'm saying. 


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January 28, 2015, 04:41:25 PM
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So you are basically telling me that this guy is resining and speaking about other people that they are doing crimes etc... and those people won't go to jail ? Could someone please explain why ?

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January 28, 2015, 04:45:57 PM
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So you are basically telling me that this guy is resining and speaking about other people that they are doing crimes etc... and those people won't go to jail ? Could someone please explain why ?
No. What crimes are you talking about?

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January 28, 2015, 04:47:39 PM
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So you are basically telling me that this guy is resining and speaking about other people that they are doing crimes etc... and those people won't go to jail ? Could someone please explain why ?
No. What crimes are you talking about?

"Charlie Shrem engaging in alleged money laundering and associated crimes."
"Brock Pierce being associated with alleged pedophilia. (Now newly elected to an industry seat)"

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January 28, 2015, 04:58:33 PM
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So you are basically telling me that this guy is resining and speaking about other people that they are doing crimes etc... and those people won't go to jail ? Could someone please explain why ?
No. What crimes are you talking about?

"Charlie Shrem engaging in alleged money laundering and associated crimes."
"Brock Pierce being associated with alleged pedophilia. (Now newly elected to an industry seat)"

Charlie Shrem was arrested and is facing sentencing. When that happened he left the board. As far as I know the only accusation came from the police. He was right to step down.If he had not he would have been removed.

In the case of Brock Pierce there was some kind of complaint years ago. It was looked at and he was cleared. As much as pedophiles get us all upset, we can't start acting on a mere accusation. Every day we see countless baseless claims here. If that is going to be the benchmark then we are going nowhere. I myself have been accused of being in the Illuminati, a secret agent, and an alien.  Roll Eyes 
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January 28, 2015, 05:19:17 PM
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I understand. I would ask you to consider that I am not defending Pierce, Shrem, or Karpeles. I am trying to separate facts from accusations. I lobbied against Brock Peirce for his seat. But the election had him as the winner anyway. Should I disregard a fair vote because he was accused of something in the past? Should his drug use preclude him from serving? If so then why can George Bush do acid and coke and still be president? It's true that if Brock were convicted I would feel different. Not because he goes from being good to bad, but because the claim was seriously looked at and investigated by a court rather than a bitcoin forum.
Look at the case of Mark K. You would think from reading here that he stole the money at Gox. There is no evidence of that, but the people who lost money want to blame someone rather than face the idea that an anonymous thief took their money and it is gone forever. Maybe Mark did take the money, maybe not. We do not know. That's the fact, and all I'm saying. 

Before making statements such as that bolded above, I would go back and read a fair number of the court transcripts and examine the timelines.  I would not make them lightly, because that actually does put you in the position of defending Karpeles, Pierce, Shrem, etc.

Having read a number of the legal transcripts, I assure you that the "We do not know" statement is to a fair extent, false.  I have the impression that you have not done so, but are well intentioned.  This has implications. 

For example, your claim that Brock's stuff was "seriously looked at and investigated by a court" has no merit.  In reality, a large number of "convictions" are plea bargains by those who don't have the money for court.  And a large number of dismissals are achieved by way of money passing hands or otherwise an agreement being reached between the defendant and the plaintiff. 

And what none of the above truly handles well is the continuing fact that bad has swirled around the Bitcoin Foundation.  You can't make the stink go away by trying over and over to put these characters in the "innocent until proven guilty" category.

RE George Bush.  Rather than discredit my point, you make it.  Pierce signed up and paid to run for director only a few days before voting closed.  IIRC.  This put the awareness, disclosure and fact-searching relative to his past post-election, rather than prior to the election.  There was actually NOT a discussion on these issues prior to the election.  Bush freely admitted pre election that he'd gone through some rough times.

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January 28, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
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I understand. ...
...We do not know. That's the fact, and all I'm saying.  

Before making statements such as that bolded above, I would go back and read a fair number of the court transcripts and examine the timelines.  I would not make them lightly, because that actually does put you in the position of defending Karpeles, Pierce, Shrem, etc.

Having read a number of the legal transcripts, I assure you that the "We do not know" statement is to a fair extent, false.  I have the impression that you have not done so, but are well intentioned.  This has implications.  

For example, your claim that Brock's stuff was "seriously looked at and investigated by a court" has no merit.  In reality, a large number of "convictions" are plea bargains by those who don't have the money for court.  And a large number of dismissals are achieved by way of money passing hands or otherwise an agreement being reached between the defendant and the plaintiff.  

And what none of the above truly handles well is the continuing fact that bad has swirled around the Bitcoin Foundation.  You can't make the stink go away by trying over and over to put these characters in the "innocent until proven guilty" category.

RE George Bush.  Rather than discredit my point, you make it.  Pierce signed up and paid to run for director only a few days before voting closed.  IIRC.  This put the awareness, disclosure and fact-searching relative to his past post-election, rather than prior to the election.  There was actually NOT a discussion on these issues prior to the election.  Bush freely admitted pre election that he'd gone through some rough times.
Pedophiles are almost never in a position to plea bargain or to have their cases dropped. Maybe I have not seen it, but I find no record of a plea or court action. Not that I disagree that many crimes are bargained away, but Pedos are hated by everyone, including the other inmates and the nature of their crimes combined with high recidivism keeps most judges from dealing. In any case, the police need to be informed if anyone has any info, not me. If there is something to the charge they have the power to investigate.
As far as not disclosing his past and starting his election bid at the last minute... Well, that is part of why I did not vote for him. But he did win. The time for people to ask about his past was when he was running.  
The bottom line is that we do not know. You say we do via court records, but where is the conviction then?

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Pedophiles are almost never in a position to plea bargain or to have their cases dropped. Maybe I have not seen it, but I find no record of a plea or court action. Not that I disagree that many crimes are bargained away, but Pedos are hated by everyone, including the other inmates and the nature of their crimes combined with high recidivism keeps most judges from dealing. In any case, the police need to be informed if anyone has any info, not me. If there is something to the charge they have the power to investigate.
As far as not disclosing his past and starting his election bid at the last minute... Well, that is part of why I did not vote for him. But he did win. The time for people to ask about his past was when he was running.  
The bottom line is that we do not know. You say we do via court records, but where is the conviction then?

Well, there you go again.  Focusing on Pierce. 

When I make a statement such as:


Having read a number of the legal transcripts, I assure you that the "We do not know" statement is to a fair extent, false.  I have the impression that you have not done so, but are well intentioned.  This has implications.

....the intent is not to demonstrate a conviction, but to indicate the presence of many facts in those documents.  Again, you seem to be trying to conflagrate "conviction" with "bad human."  Or you may be limiting "fact" to "presence or absence of conviction."

I disagree with that, having hired over the years probably hundreds of "convicted felons", and I can assure you that they do not represent "bad people."   court documents will show situations, associates, events, many things that certainly do shed a light on matters.

Make no mistake about it, you come across as an apologist for Pierce in particular, and somehow attempt to disassociate the BF from actions of it's directors, past and present.  Might want to reconsider that...
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