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January 29, 2017, 02:31:34 PM
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Ignoring the  electric difference (~$15.77 USD per year for *total system* @ $0.01 per kWh):

GTX 1070
Cost: ~$400 USD
PPD: 600,000
FLDC per month: 12,000 - ~$14.72 USD
CURE per month: 787 - ~$35.43 USD
Purchase ROI: ~8 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$599 USD

GTX 1080
Cost: ~$600 USD
PPD: 800,000
FLDC per month: 16,000 - ~$19.29 USD
CURE per month: 1050 - ~$47.25 USD
Purchase ROI: ~9 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$798 USD

The only way 1070 tops 1080 is with a constrained initial "budget" where one would be buying 6x1070 vs 4x1080; however, in that narrow of a constraint, ROI isn't an actual concern (as it's trumped by initial purchase limitations).

*total system* revenue of 6 cards is 1070 ~$3,593.48 per year and 1080 ~$4,791.31 per year.

I think there is an error while calculations for "FLDC per month". I have a 1070 overclocked. According to my calculations, should I get about 30k FLDC per month after halving.
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January 29, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
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@(ComputerGenie & Bardcuda)

Maybe instead of fighting you should meet around a beer, do the math together peacefully and then write a white paper about the absolutely most optimal configuration for high performance folding that could be published on CURE, FLDC and F@H websites Cheesy

Only if I get a hug first Cheesy
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January 29, 2017, 03:02:54 PM
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I think there is an error while calculations for "FLDC per month". I have a 1070 overclocked. According to my calculations, should I get about 30k FLDC per month after halving.
You have one GTX 1070 card overclocked enough to get 1,500,000 PPD out of it?

If you have to ask why, you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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January 29, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
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I think there is an error while calculations for "FLDC per month". I have a 1070 overclocked. According to my calculations, should I get about 30k FLDC per month after halving.
You have one GTX 1070 card overclocked enough to get 1,500,000 PPD out of it?

1070 @ 2.0 GHz: 670k PPD
970 @ 1.43 GHz: 370k PPD
From 12.17.2016 to 12.31.2016 I received 25.3k FLDC (~1/2 month). Before halving I was getting (on both cards) about 102k FLDC per month.
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January 29, 2017, 04:45:48 PM
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I think there is an error while calculations for "FLDC per month". I have a 1070 overclocked. According to my calculations, should I get about 30k FLDC per month after halving.
You have one GTX 1070 card overclocked enough to get 1,500,000 PPD out of it?

1070 @ 2.0 GHz: 670k PPD
970 @ 1.43 MHz: 370k PPD
From 12.17.2016 to 12.31.2016 I received 25.3k FLDC (~1/2 month). Before halving I was getting (on both cards) about 102k FLDC per month.
Ahhhhh

We'll all know more in a week or so; however, for folks I've talked to, the general thought is roughly PPD*0.02. That's, of course, not taking into account that for every flop that the network grows, the per user FLDC diminishes (hence the "I'm too lazy to explain" comments).

As a side note, if we're wrong in our "PPD*0.02" estimate, the flip-side is that:
For every bit we're short on our estimate, the lead of 1 GTX1080 (vs 1 GTX1070) grows exponentially by whatever we're off.

If you have to ask why, you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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January 29, 2017, 05:09:08 PM
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http://foldingcoin.xyz/?token=FLDC&total=250000&start=2017-01-28&end=2017-01-29

Click "show stats"

Ctrl+F and find your address (or any address that had more than 0 if you just want to figure out the PPD per FLDC ratio)
Your PPD for that day (28th in this case) will appear in the right-most column.
Find-next (F3) and you will see your FLDC "payout" for that day.
Divide to get the ratio.

In my case 511k PPD / 763 FLDC = 670 PPD / FLDC or 0.0015 FLDC / PPD (again, this is valid for the 28th only as "difficulty" can change)

EDIT: Edited to adjust for the recent halvening.
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January 29, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
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http://foldingcoin.xyz/?token=FLDC&total=500000&start=2017-01-28&end=2017-01-29

Click "show stats"

Ctrl+F and find your address (or any address that had more than 0 if you just want to figure out the PPD per FLDC ratio)
Your PPD for that day (28th in this case) will appear in the right-most column.
Find-next (F3) and you will see your FLDC "payout" for that day.
Divide to get the ratio.

In my case 511k PPD / 1526 FLDC = 335 PPD / FLDC or 0.003 FLDC / PPD (again, this is valid for the 28th only as "difficulty" can change)

After December 17, 2016 everything should be divided /2. Is that correct?
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January 29, 2017, 05:36:07 PM
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After December 17, 2016 everything should be divided /2. Is that correct?
If you keep the link with "500000", then yes.

Edit: It should be noted, however, that that is only an estimate and only covers a given day..

If you have to ask why, you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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January 29, 2017, 05:37:46 PM
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After December 17, 2016 everything should be divided /2. Is that correct?
Not 100% but I'm pretty sure the halvening is already taken into account with these stats. I don't know though cuz I stopped folding for about a month in early November after ZEC was released and then I spent another month not doing anything cuz I rearranged everything to do a crossfire setup and test out Star Citizen. Only just started folding again about a week ago and haven't gotten another payout yet.

EDIT:
If you keep the link with "500000", then yes.

Ahh in that case let me edit that post.

EDIT2: Fixed!
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January 29, 2017, 05:52:02 PM
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After December 17, 2016 everything should be divided /2. Is that correct?
If you keep the link with "500000", then yes.

Edit: It should be noted, however, that that is only an estimate and only covers a given day..

Thanks, corrected link.

http://foldingcoin.xyz/?token=FLDC&total=250000&start=2017-01-28&end=2017-01-29
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January 29, 2017, 08:22:26 PM
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....
Your math is so far off, it's no wonder that you're confused.


600,000 PPD * 8 1070s = 4,800,000 PPD
800,000 PPD * 6 1080s = 4,800,000 PPD

OK, so you've spent the same $ to get the same PPD

 By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s.

 (the $400 and $600 are close enough I'm not going to quibble over the actual pricing, which is a very little less in both cases to go with the lowest-cost cards on Newegg on any given day).

 *HOWEVER* your figure of 800K PPD for a 1080 appears to be HIGHLY optimistic based on the database at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html# (I don't have any 1080s so I can't compare based on my own figures), while that 600k figure is in line with my 1070 farm of VERY MILDLY overclocked 1070 cards but very PESSAMISTIC vs the database.

 I think you're trying to make a case here based on BAD DATA.



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January 29, 2017, 09:11:41 PM
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what happened to the other coin they were releasing with curecoin?

they did an alpha or beta release and it went wrong?

What is happening with that coin and when is the snap shot on the cure coin wallet?

It was some quantum resistant new design?

Is it shelved for good or is it still worth holding this cure coins in my wallet awaiting some snapshot date to quality for the new coin?

I have seen no futher mention of it in months now?

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January 29, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
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....
Your math is so far off, it's no wonder that you're confused.


600,000 PPD * 8 1070s = 4,800,000 PPD
800,000 PPD * 6 1080s = 4,800,000 PPD

OK, so you've spent the same $ to get the same PPD

 By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s.

 (the $400 and $600 are close enough I'm not going to quibble over the actual pricing, which is a very little less in both cases to go with the lowest-cost cards on Newegg on any given day).

 *HOWEVER* your figure of 800K PPD for a 1080 appears to be HIGHLY optimistic based on the database at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html# (I don't have any 1080s so I can't compare based on my own figures), while that 600k figure is in line with my 1070 farm of VERY MILDLY overclocked 1070 cards but very PESSAMISTIC vs the database.

 I think you're trying to make a case here based on BAD DATA.
  • The pricing in that comment is using is his figures, not mine
  • Figuring PPD based off of 1 WU (a single job of a single project run - which is what that sheet does if you actually look at the numbers) is the epitome of "BAD DATA"
EDIT:
  • "This database was created to compare frame times with other users in order to see whether your PPD is where it should be or if there is something wrong with the system (instability, incorrect client configuration, throttling etc.)"

If you have to ask why, you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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January 29, 2017, 09:57:21 PM
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By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s.

 (the $400 and $600 are close enough I'm not going to quibble over the actual pricing, which is a very little less in both cases to go with the lowest-cost cards on Newegg on any given day).

 *HOWEVER* your figure of 800K PPD for a 1080 appears to be HIGHLY optimistic based on the database at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html# (I don't have any 1080s so I can't compare based on my own figures), while that 600k figure is in line with my 1070 farm of VERY MILDLY overclocked 1070 cards but very PESSAMISTIC vs the database.

 I think you're trying to make a case here based on BAD DATA.
  • The pricing in that comment is using is his figures, not mine

Actually those were your figures. My figures were $550 and $800 CAD respectively (even though it's actually more like $510 vs. $780 for the cheapest dual or triple fan design but I was being conservative). I knew if I used my own figures you would nitpick everything.

@QuintLeo, the difference comes from the fact that you need an extra $400 for the rest of the components of each rig (One really good PSU like an EVGA 1300W G2 and then cheap/used everything else, milk crate or self-built wood/aluminum or whatever for case/chassis etc.). You only need one rig for 6 cards and two rigs for 8. I wanted to use his own example of the worst case for the 1070s where you need to pay for an extra rig and only get 7 or 8 cards to show that even in that worst case and with his overly optimistic 1080 PPD numbers, the 1070s still come out ahead. But of course it's still wrong because FLDC only pays out once a month lol.

But you're completely ignoring the fact that the guy with lower per-rig income would have 50% more of those rigs lol
Now, I'm sure you're still stuck on the "more cards" end of your thought so, remember this...
Cards 7 & 8 will need another full set of hardware to run.

Ignoring the  electric difference (~$15.77 USD per year for *total system* @ $0.01 per kWh):

GTX 1070
Cost: ~$400 USD

PPD: 600,000
FLDC per month: 12,000 - ~$14.72 USD
CURE per month: 787 - ~$35.43 USD
Purchase ROI: ~8 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$599 USD

GTX 1080
Cost: ~$600 USD

PPD: 800,000
FLDC per month: 16,000 - ~$19.29 USD
CURE per month: 1050 - ~$47.25 USD
Purchase ROI: ~9 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$798 USD

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what happened to the other coin they were releasing with curecoin?

they did an alpha or beta release and it went wrong?

What is happening with that coin and when is the snap shot on the cure coin wallet?

It was some quantum resistant new design?

Is it shelved for good or is it still worth holding this cure coins in my wallet awaiting some snapshot date to quality for the new coin?

I have seen no futher mention of it in months now?

I think Vorksholk was waiting on some legal or copyright stuff or something like that but it was more or less finished...that was my understanding anyway.
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January 29, 2017, 10:22:52 PM
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@ bardacuda It seems you have trouble following along, so let me hlp you:
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$600 x 6 + $400 = $4000 (The cost of a 6-card 1080 rig)
Now, being the neanderthal that I am, I decide to take that same amount of money and buy 1070s instead, because "Oooh, I can has even more shinies!"
So I spend $800 on two barebones rigs and have $3200 left over and buy 8x 1070 cards...
...
OK, so you've spent the same $ to get the same PPD
...
By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s...
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  • The pricing in that comment is using is his figures, not mine
...

If you have to ask why, you wouldn`t understand my answer.
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Nope I follow just fine. The $400/$600 and PPD/power figures all came from you. Only the rig cost came from me.
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...Only the rig cost came from me.
Which was the part he was off by. Wink

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Right just as I explained. Don't see where I'm going off course here.
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By your own figures, you've spent $3200 on the 1070s but $3600 on the 1080s.

 (the $400 and $600 are close enough I'm not going to quibble over the actual pricing, which is a very little less in both cases to go with the lowest-cost cards on Newegg on any given day).

 *HOWEVER* your figure of 800K PPD for a 1080 appears to be HIGHLY optimistic based on the database at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vcVoSVtamcoGj5sFfvKF_XlvuviWWveJIg_iZ8U2bf0/pub?output=html# (I don't have any 1080s so I can't compare based on my own figures), while that 600k figure is in line with my 1070 farm of VERY MILDLY overclocked 1070 cards but very PESSAMISTIC vs the database.

 I think you're trying to make a case here based on BAD DATA.
  • The pricing in that comment is using is his figures, not mine

Actually those were your figures. My figures were $550 and $800 CAD respectively (even though it's actually more like $510 vs. $780 for the cheapest dual or triple fan design but I was being conservative). I knew if I used my own figures you would nitpick everything.

@QuintLeo, the difference comes from the fact that you need an extra $400 for the rest of the components of each rig (One really good PSU like an EVGA 1300W G2 and then cheap/used everything else, milk crate or self-built wood/aluminum or whatever for case/chassis etc.). You only need one rig for 6 cards and two rigs for 8. I wanted to use his own example of the worst case for the 1070s where you need to pay for an extra rig and only get 7 or 8 cards to show that even in that worst case and with his overly optimistic 1080 PPD numbers, the 1070s still come out ahead. But of course it's still wrong because FLDC only pays out once a month lol.

But you're completely ignoring the fact that the guy with lower per-rig income would have 50% more of those rigs lol
Now, I'm sure you're still stuck on the "more cards" end of your thought so, remember this...
Cards 7 & 8 will need another full set of hardware to run.

Ignoring the  electric difference (~$15.77 USD per year for *total system* @ $0.01 per kWh):

GTX 1070
Cost: ~$400 USD

PPD: 600,000
FLDC per month: 12,000 - ~$14.72 USD
CURE per month: 787 - ~$35.43 USD
Purchase ROI: ~8 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$599 USD

GTX 1080
Cost: ~$600 USD

PPD: 800,000
FLDC per month: 16,000 - ~$19.29 USD
CURE per month: 1050 - ~$47.25 USD
Purchase ROI: ~9 months "raw cost" per card
Yearly Revenue: ~$798 USD

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what happened to the other coin they were releasing with curecoin?

they did an alpha or beta release and it went wrong?

What is happening with that coin and when is the snap shot on the cure coin wallet?

It was some quantum resistant new design?

Is it shelved for good or is it still worth holding this cure coins in my wallet awaiting some snapshot date to quality for the new coin?

I have seen no futher mention of it in months now?

I think Vorksholk was waiting on some legal or copyright stuff or something like that but it was more or less finished...that was my understanding anyway.

Thanks for reply I will seek him out and ask him directly again.

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January 30, 2017, 07:58:26 PM
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Perhaps reply to this topic in the curecoin forums:

https://www.curecoin.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3898

It hasn't been updated, but I think those forums are followed more closely by Cygnus and Vorksholk than this thread is, which is understandable with the amount of irrelevant posts one has to read through to get caught up if you've been away from this thread for a while (I'm clearly guilty of adding to this number. See above  Cheesy). Also it was posted by Cygnus so he may get a notification in his e-mail or something if you reply to it.

I've chatted with whoever runs the CureCoin account on Facebook and they seem to respond pretty quickly too. I don't think it's either of the devs but I'm sure they could get in touch with them if you ask.
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