Aboy68
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June 11, 2014, 10:57:05 AM |
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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.
//Aboy68
I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days. First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting. Look at this spread of errors it makes me  ??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on? Calculated coins Wallet coins Diff 213,3277512 126,95 -68% 202,5632982 146,3 -38% 144,6901068 152,24 5% 146,3821938 152,24 4% 154,8686699 156,65 1% 170,2160332 157,8 -8% 181,9166571 157,8 -15% 127,0696147 94,17 -35% 111,6924741 80,61 -39% 82,82930888 95,38 13% 92,20017242 90,37 -2% 91,59280485 48,8 -88% All information is grabbed from these pages: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10. Total coins a day: 7488 coins. Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be. //Aboy68 |
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June 11, 2014, 11:27:14 AM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. |
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June 11, 2014, 12:20:55 PM |
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Aboy68:
Using the numbers on the CryptoBullionPools page, which are the ones you should use when calculating, my payment seem to be right in line.
Another user has reported his works out correctly as well.
I recommend tracking it for a few more days and using only the CryptoBullionPools numbers, as they're the ones that matter.
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June 11, 2014, 12:27:32 PM |
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My numbers are pulling correctly off cryptobullionpools.com
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Go CureCoin!
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 12:59:09 PM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones. Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910. I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong. |
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June 11, 2014, 01:24:12 PM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones. Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910. I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong. Have you tried coming into the IRC and chatting with the dev team to see if they can fix it? Have you double checked all accounts are pulling correctly with same pass keys and such? Console is Estimated PPD..... Make sure your pulling numbers on stats pages and cryptobullionpools.com Best bet is to chat in IRC and see if we can get it solved for you. |
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June 11, 2014, 01:39:16 PM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones. Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910. I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong. I can only say my numbers seem to be running correctly. You can't just look at PPD but at the WUs you submitted. If they're not submitted then they're not counted. (eg. shares on a normal mining pool) |
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones. Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910. I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong. I can only say my numbers seem to be running correctly. You can't just look at PPD but at the WUs you submitted. If they're not submitted then they're not counted. (eg. shares on a normal mining pool) Of course I understand that. And they are submitted. Here is a sample of one of my logs from today: 13:27:54:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 242500 out of 250000 steps (97%)
13:40:48:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 245000 out of 250000 steps (98%)
13:55:14:WU02:FS00:0xa4:Completed 247500 out of 250000 steps (99%)
13:55:15:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 171.67.108.200:8080
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Assigned to work server 128.143.231.202
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Requesting new work unit for slot 00: RUNNING cpu:3 from 128.143.231.202
13:55:16:WU00:FS00:Connecting to 128.143.231.202:8080
13:55:18:WU00:FS00:Downloading 3.67MiB
13:55:23:WU00:FS00:Download complete
13:55:23:WU00:FS00:Received Unit: id:00 state:DOWNLOAD error:NO_ERROR project:8576 run:1 clone:7 gen:427 core:0xa3 unit:0x000018fb0a3b1e5952288863eadf5941
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Aboy68
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June 11, 2014, 03:56:12 PM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. This is the most important to do, to document the data that are used to calculate the payout. Then we secure the data that are used. Is this something we can do? |
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 04:08:40 PM |
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First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting.
I think that daily variations are maybe because of different time zones / times taken into account between pool and certified WUs. I didn't have enough information from data sources to make 11 days calculation, I could do only for 10. I believe Your math is shifted for one day, therefore difference arose. Also, during this 10 days, time for payment was shifted for 17 hours. That point could be also source for some difference. Anyhow, there is no 40-50% difference for sure. My opinion is that pool should have historical data and calculations for folders, so there will not be doubts about it. Like it is now, there is possibility for confusion and miscalculations. Edit: Edited percentages. Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones. Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910. I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong. Have you tried coming into the IRC and chatting with the dev team to see if they can fix it? Have you double checked all accounts are pulling correctly with same pass keys and such? Console is Estimated PPD..... Make sure your pulling numbers on stats pages and cryptobullionpools.com Best bet is to chat in IRC and see if we can get it solved for you. Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated." I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth! |
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June 11, 2014, 04:09:13 PM |
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I have to say that this is a pretty innovative idea. Good luck with the coin.  |
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June 11, 2014, 06:06:31 PM |
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Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.
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Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated."
I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth!
In your statistics no day in which you have received - 8792 PPD. PPD for a particular day, must look at the statistics: http://kakaostats.com/usum.php?u=1919725http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=658527PPD on the two statistics are differ because they are in different time zones. PPD of FAHControl serves to see the progress of a WU. |
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 06:14:13 PM |
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Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.
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Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated."
I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth!
In your statistics no day in which you have received - 8792 PPD. PPD for a particular day, must look at the statistics: http://kakaostats.com/usum.php?u=1919725http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=658527PPD on the two statistics are differ because they are in different time zones. PPD of FAHControl serves to see the progress of a WU. Well, thank you. It looks like folding is not possible on my machines though all looks really fine and the log files don't show any errors. That's sad because I wanted to participate to improve medical research. |
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June 11, 2014, 07:04:27 PM |
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Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.
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Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated."
I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth!
In your statistics no day in which you have received - 8792 PPD. PPD for a particular day, must look at the statistics: http://kakaostats.com/usum.php?u=1919725http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=658527PPD on the two statistics are differ because they are in different time zones. PPD of FAHControl serves to see the progress of a WU. Well, thank you. It looks like folding is not possible on my machines though all looks really fine and the log files don't show any errors. That's sad because I wanted to participate to improve medical research. How many days have you done folding? |
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June 11, 2014, 07:33:06 PM |
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Well, thank you. It looks like folding is not possible on my machines though all looks really fine and the log files don't show any errors. That's sad because I wanted to participate to improve medical research.
Nooo, you quickly lifting the white flag. Your hardware is good for FAH. I guess for 7950 is not installed the appropriate driver under Linux. Ask for help in the Folding Forum. 70 000-80 000 PPD is real for your hardware. To date, this must to cover electricity bills. |
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 08:17:25 PM |
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Ridiculous! Now you blame it on time zones.
Here are the estimated PPD (FAHControls) from yesterday on my 3 computers: 3660 + 1471 + 3661 = 8792 PPD. This morning cryptobullionpools showed 471 (!), yesterday it was 910.
I hesitate to call it fraudulent but there is something VERY wrong.
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Yes I am on IRC. One of the devs said: "Worth to be investigated."
I know that the PPD in FAHControl are estimated and I would accept 10% off. But it's less than a tenth!
In your statistics no day in which you have received - 8792 PPD. PPD for a particular day, must look at the statistics: http://kakaostats.com/usum.php?u=1919725http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=658527PPD on the two statistics are differ because they are in different time zones. PPD of FAHControl serves to see the progress of a WU. Well, thank you. It looks like folding is not possible on my machines though all looks really fine and the log files don't show any errors. That's sad because I wanted to participate to improve medical research. How many days have you done folding? Eight. Got 0.15 CURE so far. |
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Rainer4256
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June 11, 2014, 08:20:46 PM |
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Well, thank you. It looks like folding is not possible on my machines though all looks really fine and the log files don't show any errors. That's sad because I wanted to participate to improve medical research.
Nooo, you quickly lifting the white flag. Your hardware is good for FAH. I guess for 7950 is not installed the appropriate driver under Linux. Ask for help in the Folding Forum. 70 000-80 000 PPD is real for your hardware. To date, this must to cover electricity bills. I'm not lifting any flag (except that of my country).  You are right, I expected more. And yes the appropriate drivers are installed. I'm mining scrypt coins since last year without any troubles. I just set up an instance at Digitalocean. Let's see what I'm going to get for 5$ monthly. |
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June 11, 2014, 08:37:31 PM |
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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.
//Aboy68
I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days. First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting. Look at this spread of errors it makes me ??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on? Calculated coins Wallet coins Diff 213,3277512 126,95 -68% 202,5632982 146,3 -38% 144,6901068 152,24 5% 146,3821938 152,24 4% 154,8686699 156,65 1% 170,2160332 157,8 -8% 181,9166571 157,8 -15% 127,0696147 94,17 -35% 111,6924741 80,61 -39% 82,82930888 95,38 13% 92,20017242 90,37 -2% 91,59280485 48,8 -88% All information is grabbed from these pages: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10. Total coins a day: 7488 coins. Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be. //Aboy68 It's quite possible that daily payouts vary a bit from what is shown on those stats (For example they right now show 2,694,052 while ours show 2,733,030 for you). Based on some napkin math on my end, you should have gotten 184.8486 coins in the latest frame, what payout did you receive? |
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Aboy68
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June 11, 2014, 09:28:59 PM |
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My payout have been about -40% off and that is not a calculations error.
//Aboy68
I did calculations, and looks like there is difference on daily basis, but total is very close to what it should be. So please do total calculation of at least 10 days. First the payout are only based on daily shares so the averages out in 10 days are even more strange, there should not be ANY variations in these type of calculations. For fun I did a 12day calculation and it was still -12% off from what it should be. -12% for my are almost 3 GPU's not working and that are a lot of waste for noting. Look at this spread of errors it makes me ??, again - Please developers - put all details on the table. What is going on? Calculated coins Wallet coins Diff 213,3277512 126,95 -68% 202,5632982 146,3 -38% 144,6901068 152,24 5% 146,3821938 152,24 4% 154,8686699 156,65 1% 170,2160332 157,8 -8% 181,9166571 157,8 -15% 127,0696147 94,17 -35% 111,6924741 80,61 -39% 82,82930888 95,38 13% 92,20017242 90,37 -2% 91,59280485 48,8 -88% All information is grabbed from these pages: http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=224497http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=656893Daily points 2014-05-30 to 2014-06-10. Total coins a day: 7488 coins. Please look deeper in to your setup, something are not what it should be. //Aboy68 It's quite possible that daily payouts vary a bit from what is shown on those stats (For example they right now show 2,694,052 while ours show 2,733,030 for you). Based on some napkin math on my end, you should have gotten 184.8486 coins in the latest frame, what payout did you receive? It's so confusing that you can read out statistics from different pages, and then they are not synct in time so they are all different, it would be nice with someone that point to a source of data we all should use to know..... it takes to much energy to drive this issue, if you all find a nice solution to this confusedness, I'm the one to be the first to say thank you. Keep on folding and be happy! I will continue, my dad did die in cancer  //Aboy68 |
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June 11, 2014, 11:31:34 PM |
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since the devs did not release the addresses ipo where paid to due to ipo holders concern for privacy, can they at least tell us how many ipo coins are left at the addresses they paid out too, since it seems clear this coin will go no where until there is no ipo left to dump... ty
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