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Author Topic: Lets find out just how powerful the manipulator really is.  (Read 3151 times)
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January 26, 2012, 03:49:17 AM
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The data is out there:
Where did GeniuSxBoy get the number of people currently connected to Mt. Gox live?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31614.0

I think the max number of people connected to the various live charting sites during the recent craziness would be a pretty good indicator. I am not sure whether this data is available or not though.



Lower left corner of Goxlive shows the currently connected: 430 right now. If you sum all the (known) live charting sites, it wouldn't be every trader. Those so inclined to do so, will write their own, along with the bots they use. I am about to write my own personal app for it since the sites are definitely suckin'. Though it would still run on the same API the the others run on, so it may not be more reliable anyway.

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January 26, 2012, 03:54:02 AM
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The data is out there:
Where did GeniuSxBoy get the number of people currently connected to Mt. Gox live?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31614.0

I think the max number of people connected to the various live charting sites during the recent craziness would be a pretty good indicator. I am not sure whether this data is available or not though.



Lower left corner of Goxlive shows the currently connected: 430 right now. If you sum all the (known) live charting sites, it wouldn't be every trader. Those so inclined to do so, will write their own, along with the bots they use. I am about to write my own personal app for it since the sites are definitely suckin'. Though it would still run on the same API the the others run on, so it may not be more reliable anyway.

I somehow never noticed that. Thanks. I think if your personal charting app failed (as probably happens during big movements), you would at least try to connect to the public ones.
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January 26, 2012, 03:57:19 AM
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Excuse me but as the founder and owner of DialCoin, BeyondBanks, DCAO, smallplanet, BitDex and BitTalk Media I'd have to say your concept of "The Manipulator" is juvenile at best.

The real manipulators are the ones keeping the gates. You're looking in the wrong direction.

What if I don't think "The Manipulator" is even a he/she/it, or that the non-he/she/it really even manipulates in the classic sense of the term?

Seriously though, what do you think my concept of the manipulator is?
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January 26, 2012, 03:58:21 AM
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Excuse me but as the founder and owner of DialCoin, BeyondBanks, DCAO, smallplanet, BitDex and BitTalk Media I'd have to say your concept of "The Manipulator" is juvenile at best.

The real manipulators are the ones keeping the gates. You're looking in the wrong direction.

What if I don't think "The Manipulator" is even a he/she/it, or that the non-he/she/it really even manipulates in the classic sense of the term?

Seriously though, what do you think my concept of the manipulator is?

Whenever I see "The Manipulator", I feel it's describing some rich fat-cat playing around with Bitcoin. Am I far off base?

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January 26, 2012, 04:02:24 AM
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It's just people playing with way more money than most of the other traders trying to use this to their advantage.
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January 26, 2012, 04:05:05 AM
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Excuse me but as the founder and owner of DialCoin, BeyondBanks, DCAO, smallplanet, BitDex and BitTalk Media I'd have to say your concept of "The Manipulator" is juvenile at best.

The real manipulators are the ones keeping the gates. You're looking in the wrong direction.

What if I don't think "The Manipulator" is even a he/she/it, or that the non-he/she/it really even manipulates in the classic sense of the term?

Seriously though, what do you think my concept of the manipulator is?

Whenever I see "The Manipulator", I feel it's describing some rich fat-cat playing around with Bitcoin. Am I far off base?

Not too far, but I think it's someone/group that knows exactly what they are doing. A pro trader, or at least someone who is very smart and knows ho to use their weight to pull it off. I highly doubt it is someone just "playing around with BTC for lulz".

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January 26, 2012, 04:06:19 AM
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Ah, I meant player in the sense of "in the bitcoin game".
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January 26, 2012, 04:41:46 AM
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Excuse me but as the founder and owner of DialCoin, BeyondBanks, DCAO, smallplanet, BitDex and BitTalk Media I'd have to say your concept of "The Manipulator" is juvenile at best.

The real manipulators are the ones keeping the gates. You're looking in the wrong direction.

You are so right Matthew, everyone should listen to you closely on this one.

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January 26, 2012, 04:43:37 AM
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He is working for The Manipulator! GET HIM!

"Bitcoin had been transformed from an anarachistic challenge to the financial status quo, to the crypto spawn of Satan, fuelled by cut-throat greed and delusions of avarice." - MatTheCat
"these people don't seem to want to stop till Bitcoin is completely destroyed and left like an old cum rag in the corner of the room." - ShroomsKit
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January 26, 2012, 04:46:19 AM
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He is working for The Manipulator! GET HIM!

Every post you make supports bitcointalk.org, a forum hosted by KalyHost, which is owned and operated by Mark Karpeles, who owned MtGox, which you use to trade your money.

Everyone who uses this forum is working for the manipulator and don't you forget it.

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January 26, 2012, 04:47:03 AM
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off topic...well set up polling OP
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January 26, 2012, 04:48:04 AM
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He is working for The Manipulator! GET HIM!

Every post you make supports bitcointalk.org, a forum hosted by KalyHost, which is owned and operated by Mark Karpeles, who owned MtGox, which you use to trade your money.

Everyone who uses this forum is working for the manipulator and don't you forget it.
I suggest heading back to SA and learning about trolling. Or at least what irony is. Grin

The Manipulator is a concept I find as ridiculous as you do. It’s just an excuse for people who lose money on Bitcoins.

"Bitcoin had been transformed from an anarachistic challenge to the financial status quo, to the crypto spawn of Satan, fuelled by cut-throat greed and delusions of avarice." - MatTheCat
"these people don't seem to want to stop till Bitcoin is completely destroyed and left like an old cum rag in the corner of the room." - ShroomsKit
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January 26, 2012, 04:49:58 AM
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He is working for The Manipulator! GET HIM!

Every post you make supports bitcointalk.org, a forum hosted by KalyHost, which is owned and operated by Mark Karpeles, who owned MtGox, which you use to trade your money.

Everyone who uses this forum is working for the manipulator and don't you forget it.
I suggest heading back to SA and learning about trolling. Or at least what irony is. Grin

The Manipulator is a concept I find as ridiculous as you do. It’s just an excuse for people who lose money on Bitcoins.

Word.

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January 26, 2012, 04:51:58 AM
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However, I believe it makes it easier for people to deal with their losses. It’s like religion in that sense – maybe I shouldn’t be bashing it.

If this is the Bitcoiner’s way of dealing with a loss, so be it. Smiley

"Bitcoin had been transformed from an anarachistic challenge to the financial status quo, to the crypto spawn of Satan, fuelled by cut-throat greed and delusions of avarice." - MatTheCat
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January 26, 2012, 05:00:33 AM
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It’s just an excuse for people who lose money on Bitcoins.


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I've never had a problem with a manipulator or the thought of one. He has made me a lot of money with the volatility. It was probably easiest from August through November. The swings were very predictable back then.

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January 26, 2012, 05:03:08 AM
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there are many manipulators.

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January 26, 2012, 05:16:41 AM
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He is working for The Manipulator! GET HIM!

Every post you make supports bitcointalk.org, a forum hosted by KalyHost, which is owned and operated by Mark Karpeles, who owned MtGox, which you use to trade your money.

Everyone who uses this forum is working for the manipulator and don't you forget it.

Saw your coverage of that on your Video Show, surprised more people do not realize this.

Also Kudos to the Bitcoin Magazine. That's going to make some waves.
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January 26, 2012, 05:18:55 AM
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Does he no longer own Mt. Gox?
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January 26, 2012, 05:31:58 AM
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Does he no longer own Mt. Gox?

I meant to type "Owns" but I guess it's still appropriated since it used to be Jedds and then it got pwned.  Cheesy

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January 26, 2012, 05:40:48 AM
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Does he no longer own Mt. Gox?

I meant to type "Owns" but I guess it's still appropriated since it used to be Jedds and then it got pwned.  Cheesy

really?
I though Mark was the founder of Magic the Gathering ox.

When did he take over the forum? I remember seeing it somewhere...
Around June or July, maybe as late as the Cosbycoin incident?

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