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June 12, 2014, 05:24:42 AM
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One day people will mine old landfills for hard drives like they mine gold   (just kidding Cheesy)


This could relate to the float of a stock.   They only count the shares often traded, the fact that bill gates has 10% held of microsoft for years is not counted in the worth of the share so far as I know.   If he sold them then its included in the market capitalisation

I think the marketcap site started doing this partly, excluding premine and other coins that have not yet released the coins properly
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Well in the case of losing 5000 bitcoins (current worth of 3.3Million) when bitcoin price rises enough....people may very well go digging for old hard drives in landfields....

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June 12, 2014, 05:46:22 AM
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Say someone lost their private key containing 10000+ BTC... How long would it take for that to affect the market price of bitcoins since there will be less of a supply of bitcoin and more demand?


I don't think it would have the greatest effect due to the fact that the market is big.

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June 12, 2014, 08:34:04 AM
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One day people will mine old landfills for hard drives like they mine gold   (just kidding Cheesy)


This could relate to the float of a stock.   They only count the shares often traded, the fact that bill gates has 10% held of microsoft for years is not counted in the worth of the share so far as I know.   If he sold them then its included in the market capitalisation

I think the marketcap site started doing this partly, excluding premine and other coins that have not yet released the coins properly
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Well in the case of losing 5000 bitcoins (current worth of 3.3Million) when bitcoin price rises enough....people may very well go digging for old hard drives in landfields....

I would if I had a reasonable idea of where it might be.

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June 12, 2014, 09:22:16 AM
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Say someone lost their private key containing 10000+ BTC... How long would it take for that to affect the market price of bitcoins since there will be less of a supply of bitcoin and more demand?

A friend of a friend of mine has lost more then 10000 in his old computer. He forgot about those coins and now he dont have his PC anymore ( He was mining on it back in 2009) so now he does not have 6 milions in his pocket, but not sure how this is going to affect the network and also are these BTC lost forever? Is there a way to resurect them?
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June 12, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
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Say someone lost their private key containing 10000+ BTC... How long would it take for that to affect the market price of bitcoins since there will be less of a supply of bitcoin and more demand?

Well , if someone realy looses 10 000 btc, that would make some change to price, but not as much as one would think.
On the other hand , if someone would have their key/wallet leaked, and attacker liquidated that btc, impact would be much bigger
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June 12, 2014, 10:57:57 AM
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There is 5000 btc sitting on some junked laptop in a landfill somewhere that I threw out. I dont even give it a second thought.

Is that your laptop you are talking about?
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June 14, 2014, 12:33:50 AM
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Say someone lost their private key containing 10000+ BTC... How long would it take for that to affect the market price of bitcoins since there will be less of a supply of bitcoin and more demand?

Well , if someone realy looses 10 000 btc, that would make some change to price, but not as much as one would think.
On the other hand , if someone would have their key/wallet leaked, and attacker liquidated that btc, impact would be much bigger

It would not affect the price of BTC unless that person decides to use fiat to purchase other BTC to replace his "lost" coins.

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June 14, 2014, 12:53:37 AM
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not sure how this is going to affect the network and also are these BTC lost forever? Is there a way to resurect them?
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They always say there is 21m btc  well not really and this is why.   Maybe there is only 20m because so many got lost like this.   Same thing happens with copper coins except decades later you can still find those.
No is the answer to your question, Ive never heard anyone reverse engineering the bitcoin out of a lost address.  If that were possible it would make reverse charges and all sorts of things possible so I think its fairly simple to say once its gone then you would literally have to physically dig up the old hard disk.

   Only other thing is if Jonny mnemonic had memorised the exact unique code for that btc address in his head, how long is that someone want to say?  Then you can reconstruct.

I guess the other idea might be what if they forked and changed the rules somehow so coins can be recovered


The effect on the network is natural deflation.  There is a tale of a popstar burning 2 million cash, same thing.  The value isnt lost really, it was just paper.  In effect value of these lost coins is now placed with those in distribution.   Obviously hash codes by themselves might be unique but they are not of inate use so the value is transient.  If your friend lost 1000 coins, he made a donation to every other btc holder.
 The creator of btc was a smart guy and allegedly he has alot in a wallet? my guess is they'll never be used for this reason, maybe he removed all temptation or  not; there was the case of an ancient Indian temple where they discovered hundreds of gold bars kept over centuries and amazingly never used by the temple priests

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June 14, 2014, 02:55:31 PM
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The majority of coins from 2009 are probably already gone or inaccessible.

10k coins from a wallet that was just sitting there anyway isn't going to have any effect on the market in the short term because the coins were not in circulation anyway.

In the long term all these losses add up to reduced supply of bitcoins.
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