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Author Topic: [ANN][CRYPT] CryptCoin x11 + PoS | P2P Anonymity | 0% Premine | Commander  (Read 506441 times)
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June 21, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
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Lol I doubt they would tell you before they told the team anyway, unless you're super special and I'm missing something?
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June 21, 2014, 07:04:14 PM
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Lol I doubt they would tell you before they told the team anyway, unless you're super special and I'm missing something?

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June 21, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
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Lol I doubt they would tell you before they told the team anyway, unless you're super special and I'm missing something?

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June 21, 2014, 07:08:17 PM
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Nothing at all ,and especially a big fat lie , is capable of stopping CRYPT  success
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June 21, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
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Nothing at all ,and especially a big fat lie , is capable of stopping CRYPT  success

Which lie? That proposed anonymity method won't provide any anonymity at all?
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June 21, 2014, 07:13:32 PM
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Get ready!  Btc-e announcement tonight!

for real?
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June 21, 2014, 07:14:09 PM
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CRY on BTC-e??   Answer:



Donate BTC: 1FzpMgR34pJbEqtiMEujRiidoL7PgGPaUH
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June 21, 2014, 07:20:07 PM
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LOL I can create something like that, with answer yes of course..  Cheesy

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June 21, 2014, 07:24:13 PM
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Really? A screenshot? Man just use developer tools on any page and change the html as you want.

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June 21, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
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For anyone who doesn't know, this is BTC-e's stock standard cut and paste response to any coin adding question. They will never tell you ahead of time.

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June 21, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
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Nothing at all ,and especially a big fat lie , is capable of stopping CRYPT  success

Which lie? That proposed anonymity method won't provide any anonymity at all?


you fucking slime trol you know exactly what lie i'm talking about!The lie is that there has never been a hidden block at crypt.Even a blind man can see that! I cannot believe that there are people that support the propaganda of liers and scammers like ATTIOUS!But again this is a good sign for the community to understand the dirty part that disgusting trolls are playing.Now go back underground you mole!
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June 21, 2014, 07:56:50 PM
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Nothing at all ,and especially a big fat lie , is capable of stopping CRYPT  success

Which lie? That proposed anonymity method won't provide any anonymity at all?


you fucking slime trol you know exactly what lie i'm talking about!The lie is that there has never been a hidden block at crypt.Even a blind man can see that! I cannot believe that there are people that support the propaganda of liers and scammers like ATTIOUS!But again this is a good sign for the community to understand the dirty part that disgusting trolls are playing.Now go back underground you mole!

How the hell should I know which lie you're talking about? There are too many possible lies around CryptoCoin.

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June 21, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
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Aaaargh why do I need to go on a 10hr trip Sad Would love to keep watching this soap instead. Hugggeeee cliffhanger..

Will crypt be listed on BTC-e tonight? Will there be a big announcement by BTC-e to stop this FUD? Find out tonight in the dark allys of BTCtalk DOT org


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June 21, 2014, 07:59:37 PM
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It seems to me that bad guys behind others coins like DRK and BC want to destroy this amazing coin.  

Screw dark and BC but at least DRK has been honestly trying and just hyping with BS and deleting any analysis of their concept like crypt coin has done (http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptCoin/comments/28e8be/security_analysis_of_cryptcoins_cryptcast_feature/)

Do you have any link to the analysis of their (DRK) concept?

To the best of my knowledge:

Dark uses modified coinjoin with game theory addition.

Plain coinjoin with blind signatures is problematic in DOS scenarios as the attacker can't be punished and the transactions halt forever (that was the first DarkSend implementation back in February). It's also problematic in that inputs / outputs can be co-related as recently evidenced.

DarkSend uses non-blind signing (the node knows what is being transacted) to solve the DoS issue (attacker penalized by losing transaction collateral) but it represents a regression (probably temporary) in terms of anonymity. To solve the mapping-the-transactions issue, two layers have been proposed.

1) make the nodes expensive to acquire, otherwise a bad actor could flood the network with his nodes and map everything (1000 DRK requirement to buy a node). As more nodes are acquired price goes up and creates a positive feedback loop that escalates the price even more. Thus the bad actor will the require immense capital to acquire the vast majority of the nodes.

2) multiple DarkSends through the nodes. In this way even if a bad actor controls 40% of the network nodes, 5 darksends reduce the problem to 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 = 1% to get a mapped transaction. IF you do it 10 times even more.

As for (2) an anonymity upgrade plans to replace the necessity for multiple darksends (undisclosed details)

To solve the issue of coinjoin input-output matching, DRK uses a homogenizing denomination pool of 10 coins where all inputs are 10. The plan was to use multiple denomination pools (1-10-100-1000 etc) but there is a problem encountered in the need to send more coins. Imagine if you want to send 600 coins and you need to input 1000 coins. So the denomination pools will be redesigned to account for that issue or dealt with another way.

Problems pending for fix are

a) Change can still be linked for common ownership. This is planned to be fixed in upcoming RCs (denominated change or something like that)
b) Strong IP obfuscation has to be merged (I2P) otherwise network broadcasts betray the user anyway
c) The 10 DRK limit of the denominating pool has to be lifted but at the same time preserve homogeneity of input or find an alternate way to deal with input/output matching.
d) Masternode payments (they get 20% of the mining income for providing the anonymity service / mixing) are glitching and presenting fork issues
e) A way to conceal who is transacting what must be found so that the Masternode doesn't know as a way to eliminate the need for multiple DarkSends which would bloat the blockchain.
f) Traffic on the network will have to increase when everything is done, so that mixing can occur - otherwise with no DarkSends there can be no mixing.
g) The code has to be reviewed by third parties to fix outstanding issues or security holes (later RCs)
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June 21, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
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Nothing at all ,and especially a big fat lie , is capable of stopping CRYPT  success

Which lie? That proposed anonymity method won't provide any anonymity at all?


you fucking slime trol you know exactly what lie i'm talking about!The lie is that there has never been a hidden block at crypt.Even a blind man can see that! I cannot believe that there are people that support the propaganda of liers and scammers like ATTIOUS!But again this is a good sign for the community to understand the dirty part that disgusting trolls are playing.Now go back underground you mole!

How the hell should I know which lie you're talking about? There are too many possible lies around CryptoCoin.



man if you don't know what i'm talking about don't be ironic
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June 21, 2014, 08:03:05 PM
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Buy orders building up.... Gonna explode soon...
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June 21, 2014, 08:04:49 PM
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Anyone who cant see that crypt is on a downwards trend is blind. I'm also willing to bet a fair amount of BTC that btc-e wont be adding crypt anytime soon let alone this evening.

SO I ASK, WHERE ARE ALL THE CONFIDENT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE BTC-E FUD, SHOW YOURSELVES AND PUT YOUR BTC WHEN YOUR MOUTH IS!
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June 21, 2014, 08:11:04 PM
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Mintpal BTC volume up 33% for CRYPT in the last few hours........
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June 21, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
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Mintpal BTC volume up 33% for CRYPT in the last few hours........

Yet the price in only falling!
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June 21, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
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It seems to me that bad guys behind others coins like DRK and BC want to destroy this amazing coin.  

Screw dark and BC but at least DRK has been honestly trying and just hyping with BS and deleting any analysis of their concept like crypt coin has done (http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptCoin/comments/28e8be/security_analysis_of_cryptcoins_cryptcast_feature/)

Do you have any link to the analysis of their (DRK) concept?

To the best of my knowledge:

Dark uses modified coinjoin with game theory addition.

Plain coinjoin with blind signatures is problematic in DOS scenarios as the attacker can't be punished and the transactions halt forever (that was the first DarkSend implementation back in February). It's also problematic in that inputs / outputs can be co-related as recently evidenced.

DarkSend uses non-blind signing (the node knows what is being transacted) to solve the DoS issue (attacker penalized by losing transaction collateral) but it represents a regression (probably temporary) in terms of anonymity. To solve the mapping-the-transactions issue, two layers have been proposed.

1) make the nodes expensive to acquire, otherwise a bad actor could flood the network with his nodes and map everything (1000 DRK requirement to buy a node). As more nodes are acquired price goes up and creates a positive feedback loop that escalates the price even more. Thus the bad actor will the require immense capital to acquire the vast majority of the nodes.

2) multiple DarkSends through the nodes. In this way even if a bad actor controls 40% of the network nodes, 5 darksends reduce the problem to 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 x 0.4 = 1% to get a mapped transaction. IF you do it 10 times even more.

As for (2) an anonymity upgrade plans to replace the necessity for multiple darksends (undisclosed details)

To solve the issue of coinjoin input-output matching, DRK uses a homogenizing denomination pool of 10 coins where all inputs are 10. The plan was to use multiple denomination pools (1-10-100-1000 etc) but there is a problem encountered in the need to send more coins. Imagine if you want to send 600 coins and you need to input 1000 coins. So the denomination pools will be redesigned to account for that issue or dealt with another way.

Problems pending for fix are

a) Change can still be linked for common ownership. This is planned to be fixed in upcoming RCs (denominated change or something like that)
b) Strong IP obfuscation has to be merged (I2P) otherwise network broadcasts betray the user anyway
c) The 10 DRK limit of the denominating pool has to be lifted but at the same time preserve homogeneity of input or find an alternate way to deal with input/output matching.
d) Masternode payments (they get 20% of the mining income for providing the anonymity service / mixing) are glitching and presenting fork issues
e) A way to conceal who is transacting what must be found so that the Masternode doesn't know as a way to eliminate the need for multiple DarkSends which would bloat the blockchain.
f) Traffic on the network will have to increase when everything is done, so that mixing can occur - otherwise with no DarkSends there can be no mixing.
g) The code has to be reviewed by third parties to fix outstanding issues or security holes (later RCs)


Wow, thanks for your detailed answer. I will study this for sure. Where did you get such large amount of implementation details?
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