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[djm34]

我们为什么要支持chatcoin而不是talkcoin。请大家先仔细考虑：

虚拟货币的核心价值在哪儿？
这一点我想大家都明白：去中心化，规则确定，无人可以操控产量。

而这一点恰恰是talkcoin所不具有的，为什么这么说呢我的分析如下：

首先看talkcoin的特点：
1，投票时每个人都可以通过发送一定的币到某个地址而控制每个区块的产量。
2，投票时每个人都可以通过发送一定的币到某个地址而控制作者每个区块的奖励数。

3，这个地址的私钥显然只有作者有。虽然作者说某一天会把投票的币发到一个没有私钥的地址。而一个地址有没有私钥是不能被证明的（如果能够轻易证明一个地址没有私钥那就意味着你可以很容易的计算出任何地址的私钥，因为由私钥可以推导地址而反过来去不可以）

通过这两点可以得到这样的结果：
1，如果作者想增加产量的时候无论币价格多么高，也无论投票数目由多少作者都有足够的货币投票。很显然作者的币是可以无限制循环使用在投票上的。
2，如果作者想增加自己获得的份额也可以使用投票决定。（作者很阴险，从来没有公开过talkcoin的作者捐献规则）。这已经被证实了作者在某些区块将自己获得的份额提高的了40%
显然
这样的一个币，是不适合长期投资的

如果你坚信这样的一个币你必须承担道德危机.

请注意一点：人性是贪婪的！

所以请支持chatcoin

by @zhiwufy from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675803.320

For private chatting,ichat is functionally far far better than tac's.You may have a try.

undead_phenix, please change your name in vulture  

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[Undead_Phenix]

我们为什么要支持chatcoin而不是talkcoin。请大家先仔细考虑：

虚拟货币的核心价值在哪儿？
这一点我想大家都明白：去中心化，规则确定，无人可以操控产量。

而这一点恰恰是talkcoin所不具有的，为什么这么说呢我的分析如下：

首先看talkcoin的特点：
1，投票时每个人都可以通过发送一定的币到某个地址而控制每个区块的产量。
2，投票时每个人都可以通过发送一定的币到某个地址而控制作者每个区块的奖励数。

3，这个地址的私钥显然只有作者有。虽然作者说某一天会把投票的币发到一个没有私钥的地址。而一个地址有没有私钥是不能被证明的（如果能够轻易证明一个地址没有私钥那就意味着你可以很容易的计算出任何地址的私钥，因为由私钥可以推导地址而反过来去不可以）

通过这两点可以得到这样的结果：
1，如果作者想增加产量的时候无论币价格多么高，也无论投票数目由多少作者都有足够的货币投票。很显然作者的币是可以无限制循环使用在投票上的。
2，如果作者想增加自己获得的份额也可以使用投票决定。（作者很阴险，从来没有公开过talkcoin的作者捐献规则）。这已经被证实了作者在某些区块将自己获得的份额提高的了40%
显然
这样的一个币，是不适合长期投资的

如果你坚信这样的一个币你必须承担道德危机.

请注意一点：人性是贪婪的！

所以请支持chatcoin

by @zhiwufy from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=675803.320

For private chatting,ichat is functionally far far better than tac's.You may have a try.

undead_phenix, please change your name in vulture  

You may say CHAT is a clone of tac.But actually not,There's no vote in CHAT wallet since the very first day.Take a look at what tac new team are doing,so-call v2 wallet has no difference from the old scam one except removing the vote part.

[djm34]

except that you could be the same dev as for talkcoin  

sorry but at the moment I am ready for anything  
(we never saw talkcoin dev defending his coin against yours)

[Jacksp]

I like talkcoin, but i dont like when dev are lying

[46554856]

是谁在质疑TAC？质疑了些什么？为何两个关键人物质疑TAC的同时却大力推荐chat（TAC的复制币）

①TAC群的（凤凰）在质疑tac之前已经放弃tac，在tac群里天天推荐chat，在这一个多月后质疑tac的同一篇文字里还大力推荐chat。   虽然chat从推出就半死不活的没有得到什么关注度。但凤凰的目的已经暴漏无疑。

②tac群里的（群傻）用小号在btt论坛污蔑tac，并与tac的维护者对骂，然后今天也在论坛回帖里也开始明目张胆的推荐chat，搞臭tac只是一次联合的阴谋  凤凰、群傻和CHAT 是什么关系。你们懂的！  CHAT作为tac的复制品。你怎么能相信他后期的开发能力呢？ 搞笑死了。群傻从进群开始就天天污蔑tac，他一直不挖也不买，天天在群里骂tac和其他群成员，他天天活跃在群里，后来被踢出群之后消停了一个月，然后他又加入群，依然天天活跃，天天骂tac，现在又开始明目张胆推荐chat，群友都知道他之前在群里强烈推荐sc，他推荐完几天sc发生了什么大家也都知道，在群里多少人的btc被他忽悠了自己最清楚。          

③TAC原作者的话：
没有私钥或隐藏的类似这样的事情。 当我投票,我金币发送到《创世纪》,我松了这笔钱,它永远的毁灭,每个人都以同样的方式投票。
 There is no private key or hidden things like that. When I vote, I send coins to genesis block, I loose this money and it's destroyed forever, everybody vote in this same way.

④凤凰的质疑文字发布在tac上线几个月后，更是他放弃tac力推CHAT之后的一个多月后。有了对原作者的疑问却不去问原作者，而是在群里和论坛里传播他的猜想。难道不应该是第一时间去找作者表达你的质疑吗？等他回答之后你再继续追问，直到进一步的合适后再告知更多人。很显然，凤凰没有这么做，请问是为什么？凤凰之前怀疑tac分叉，在群里宣扬。后来证明tac没有分叉。凤凰对TAC投资者造成的损失怎么弥补？当时是新钱包推出，应该大涨的，结果很多人抛货，跌了不少。现在没有经过任何核实又来这一套。


⑤搞臭tac难道不是一次联合的阴谋？凤凰、群傻和CHAT是什么关系？  你猜你猜你猜猜猜




群傻何许人也：

质疑TAC的同时推荐chat的那位群里人都认识，大家都叫他群傻，之前推荐SC,骗了不少人。


群傻何许人也：群傻从进群开始就天天污蔑tac，他一直不挖也不买，天天在群里骂tac和其他群成员，他天天活跃在群里，比其他任何人都要活跃。
最初说tac上不了平台，后来tac上了不止一个平台。
然后说tac涨不起来，后来tac翻了很多倍
后来又说tac要死了，结果tac第二天又猛涨
有一段时间他天天推荐sc，几天后sc被发现作者偷币，大跌，群里不少人被他骗取btc
现在又借助凤凰的猜想质疑tac，并且大力推荐chat（tac的复制币）。而凤凰之前怀疑tac分叉，在群里宣扬，有人当时因此抛掉TAC。后来证明tac没有分叉。



群傻后来被踢出群之后消停了一个月，然后他又加入群，依然天天活跃，天天吹牛B、骂架，顺便贬低下tac。用它自己的话说：无利不起早

[djm34]

ok here a small update over the address audit.

This is a short glimpse, this is such a mess all transaction are split into 100 tac subtransaction... very painful to study... if dev had wanted to cover his track he couldn't have done better... except he has become very sloppy: 

We just found out that the chat fee which were supposed to be destroyed in the genesis block are in fact sent to a wallet of talkcoin dev (he has so many   )

Here the address to where the chat fee's are sent is this one (this can be checked in the code)
http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TbU1X3qTcQfGmnvx1dHr1251z9JiviBGC6

Since the last update (2 months ago) these fees should have been destroyed, I think it was announced
But if we look at the last activity (2 weeks ago, well dev is just moving the fund to 2 of his addresses... can't believe he has so much address  ):

shown here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/hash/0000000006c592c85add4962a5bfc08c137d750f55a1b50786d568149ce59bbe

But you may ask how do we now it is his address rather than anything else ?
well because the -votedev fee (the %age of the block sent to dev) address here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TgD7ERrggBPezx6JPP2bpWjAFQW1rafzCn
also send all the coin to this address. http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/Te3XpuBNDi3XY4aJYmgTKWvge5qKanuYWy

Actually it is a new one, before he was sending everything to this address: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TdwPMXTCoTnoJu4fpCiQTJqjiRoe3WaCPQ
which is completely empty since the 19th of june (2 big transfers and dump: filled a first time may 26 dumped may 29 then filled 3rd of june/ dumped june 19th, a new cycle has started after with another address...) in total 260k got probably dumped from this address.

The audit continue, but I think we just show you here that old talkcoin dev lied to all of us telling he was sending the chat fee to be destroyed to the genesis block while in fact he was just cashing them out. 

(to be continued... unfortunately)

[Hodor_keeper_of_the_light]

ok here a small update over the address audit.

This is a short glimpse, this is such a mess all transaction are split into 100 tac subtransaction... very painful to study... if dev had wanted to cover his track he couldn't have done better... except he has become very sloppy: 

We just found out that the chat fee which were supposed to be destroyed in the genesis block are in fact sent to a wallet of talkcoin dev (he has so many   )

Here the address to where the chat fee's are sent is this one (this can be checked in the code)
http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TbU1X3qTcQfGmnvx1dHr1251z9JiviBGC6

Since the last update (2 months ago) these fees should have been destroyed, I think it was announced
But if we look at the last activity (2 weeks ago, well dev is just moving the fund to 2 of his addresses... can't believe he has so much address  ):

shown here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/hash/0000000006c592c85add4962a5bfc08c137d750f55a1b50786d568149ce59bbe

But you may ask how do we now it is his address rather than anything else ?
well because the -votedev fee (the %age of the block sent to dev) address here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TgD7ERrggBPezx6JPP2bpWjAFQW1rafzCn
also send all the coin to this address. http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/Te3XpuBNDi3XY4aJYmgTKWvge5qKanuYWy

Actually it is a new one, before he was sending everything to this address: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TdwPMXTCoTnoJu4fpCiQTJqjiRoe3WaCPQ
which is completely empty since the 19th of june (2 big transfers and dump: filled a first time may 26 dumped may 29 then filled 3rd of june/ dumped june 19th, a new cycle has started after with another address...) in total 260k got probably dumped from this address.

The audit continue, but I think we just show you here that old talkcoin dev lied to all of us telling he was sending the chat fee to be destroyed to the genesis block while in fact he was just cashing them out. 

(to be continued... unfortunately)

Huh Talk to exchanges, wtf. Team got evidences, post history, thread history, etc. It's legit - kicking out old dev, it's not even fukin takeover. It seems like you just didnt talk to exchanges. It's not a takeover since this team already done few releases by itself

[djm34]

ok here a small update over the address audit.

This is a short glimpse, this is such a mess all transaction are split into 100 tac subtransaction... very painful to study... if dev had wanted to cover his track he couldn't have done better... except he has become very sloppy: 

We just found out that the chat fee which were supposed to be destroyed in the genesis block are in fact sent to a wallet of talkcoin dev (he has so many   )

Here the address to where the chat fee's are sent is this one (this can be checked in the code)
http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TbU1X3qTcQfGmnvx1dHr1251z9JiviBGC6

Since the last update (2 months ago) these fees should have been destroyed, I think it was announced
But if we look at the last activity (2 weeks ago, well dev is just moving the fund to 2 of his addresses... can't believe he has so much address  ):

shown here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/hash/0000000006c592c85add4962a5bfc08c137d750f55a1b50786d568149ce59bbe

But you may ask how do we now it is his address rather than anything else ?
well because the -votedev fee (the %age of the block sent to dev) address here: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TgD7ERrggBPezx6JPP2bpWjAFQW1rafzCn
also send all the coin to this address. http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/Te3XpuBNDi3XY4aJYmgTKWvge5qKanuYWy

Actually it is a new one, before he was sending everything to this address: http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TdwPMXTCoTnoJu4fpCiQTJqjiRoe3WaCPQ
which is completely empty since the 19th of june (2 big transfers and dump: filled a first time may 26 dumped may 29 then filled 3rd of june/ dumped june 19th, a new cycle has started after with another address...) in total 260k got probably dumped from this address.

The audit continue, but I think we just show you here that old talkcoin dev lied to all of us telling he was sending the chat fee to be destroyed to the genesis block while in fact he was just cashing them out. 

(to be continued... unfortunately)

Huh Talk to exchanges, wtf. Team got evidences, post history, thread history, etc. It's legit - kicking out old dev, it's not even fukin takeover. It seems like you just didnt talk to exchanges. It's not a takeover since this team already done few releases by itself

we did talk to the exchange however so far they told us that there wasn't any evidence (however we just found out for the chat fee)

[Jacksp]

WTF 
Where is the official thread?
Who are the new dev?

[Hodor_keeper_of_the_light]

we did talk to the exchange however so far they told us that there wasn't any evidence (however we just found out for the chat fee)

So what about - he left this coin and won't continue any development?

[Jacksp]

Where can i see total hashrate¿

[djm34]

new finding:

here a mined block with a huge fee: http://blockexperts.com/tac/height/90720

first number is the block reward and the second number, the dev fee (to the address I showed in my previous message)
so this is 45% fee  what a greedy bastard 

[Jacksp]

new finding:

here a mined block with a huge fee: http://blockexperts.com/tac/height/90720

first number is the block reward and the second number, the dev fee (to the address I showed in my previous message)
so this is 45% fee   what a greedy bastard  

Amazing... he recieved 500.000 TAC with fees...

Coin Generation (Mining)      
Ts9wxgm2n7KSKUaSMGEpKAxeefqguKG6Zg   33.66000000
TgD7ERrggBPezx6JPP2bpWjAFQW1rafzCn   15.46000000

http://blockexperts.com/tac/address/TgD7ERrggBPezx6JPP2bpWjAFQW1rafzCn

[Hodor_keeper_of_the_light]

TEAM!!

Please, try to have a detailed conversation with bittrex and other exchanges, maybe on IRC channel or smth. IT worth trying. We need to explain them this situation - dev left this coin a while ago, like 2 month or smth, 1 month ago he have posted smth about - communty blamed him in stealing. Now, when you have found out that "dev fund" and wanted to fork without it, he have written smth to exchanges like "i'm here, don't support fork". Everyone knows it's bullshit, so please... Everything is in thread, his post history, you've already made some good analysis, djim and Talkteam(with links, details and shit). It's clear as day to everyone who have at least half of brain. Don't give it up, just fucking have a close talk to exchanges, maybe Richie

[TalkTeam]

TEAM!!

Please, try to have a detailed conversation with bittrex and other exchanges, maybe on IRC channel or smth. IT worth trying. We need to explain them this situation - dev left this coin a while ago, like 2 month or smth, 1 month ago he have posted smth about - communty blamed him in stealing. Now, when you have found out that "dev fund" and wanted to fork without it, he have written smth to exchanges like "i'm here, don't support fork". Everyone knows it's bullshit, so please... Everything is in thread, his post history, you've already made some good analysis, djim and Talkteam(with links, details and shit). It's clear as day to everyone who have at least half of brain. Don't give it up, just fucking have a close talk to exchanges, maybe Richie

sorry mate, we tried our very best to explain all our concerns and that our main reason is because we want to take Talkcoin forward and develop it which hasn't been happening as you now.  I don't blame the exchanges because the dev came back and from their point of view we are asking them to change to a new repo and they say they have a policy to support the original devs if they are active which unfortunately ours is despite this being the official thread since near the start.  We had lots of communication and they were open and nice with us about this but its a no go and we dont want to mess up the last chance for Talkcoin by forking the network tomorrow.

[TalkTeam]

Dear Community,

We have decided to remove our proposed fork of the Talkcoin code and resign from the project for the following reasons:

• We didn't expect the dev to return after a month offline and consequently all this negativity and FUD  is putting the final nails in the coffin of a coin that had already experienced a long and steady decline in price and market confidence.
  
• The developer gave no updates for 2 months while Talkcoin was being dumped and only started communicating again recently after receiving 560,000+ TAC from mining and voting for development costs.  Of these funds, around 20% were paid in bounties and we still got no answers as to where the remainder went.
  
• Even though we did our best to explain to the exchanges about the lack of communication on the existence of the devfund and the -votedev command, this was not enough evidence for the exchanges to switch to the new fork with the dev returning and active on the forum.  If we were to continue and fork the network under these circumstances, it is bad for everyone involved.
  
• The team is exhausted from the constant trolling and we would rather spend our energy and $ on a new project that isn't controlled by someone that doesn't share our vision or long term outlook for a coin.  Nor do we want to work with a developer that refuses to work openly or as part of a team.
  

We would like to thank all the investors, miners and the pools xHash.net, MineP.it, DwarfPool.com and Suprnova.cc who supported us plus special thanks to Aizen and bushstar, and we are sorry that we have to retract our takover now to prevent a fork in the network that would only make things worse.  We would strongly suggest to everybody now that you hold the developer accountable to follow through on his recent promises and to provide a clear roadmap and updates as to what is being developed.

We also recommend the community ask that the developer starts to be upfront about what funds he is collecting from the mining rewards and how funds are being spent, as this will go a long way to rebuilding trust in the community as well.

We did our best to rescue the situation, we are sorry we could not achieve this for everyone involved.

Best,

Andy (Talkteam), Chris (Ignition75), Dom (djm34), Atef (karimdr2) & Crz

[negative_feedback]

Dear Community,

We have decided to remove our proposed fork of the Talkcoin code and resign from the project for the following reasons:

• We didn't expect the dev to return after a month offline and consequently all this negativity and FUD  is putting the final nails in the coffin of a coin that had already experienced a long and steady decline in price and market confidence.
  
• The developer gave no updates for 2 months while Talkcoin was being dumped and only started communicating again recently after receiving 560,000+ TAC from mining and voting for development costs.  Of these funds, around 20% were paid in bounties and we still got no answers as to where the remainder went.
  
• Even though we did our best to explain to the exchanges about the lack of communication on the existence of the devfund and the -votedev command, this was not enough evidence for the exchanges to switch to the new fork with the dev returning and active on the forum.  If we were to continue and fork the network under these circumstances, it is bad for everyone involved.
  
• The team is exhausted from the constant trolling and we would rather spend our energy and $ on a new project that isn't controlled by someone that doesn't share our vision or long term outlook for a coin.  Nor do we want to work with a developer that refuses to work openly or as part of a team.
  

We would like to thank all the investors, miners and the pools xHash.net, MineP.it, DwarfPool.com and Suprnova.cc who supported us plus special thanks to Aizen and bushstar, and we are sorry that we have to retract our takover now to prevent a fork in the network that would only make things worse.  We would strongly suggest to everybody now that you hold the developer accountable to follow through on his recent promises and to provide a clear roadmap and updates as to what is being developed.

We also recommend the community ask that the developer starts to be upfront about what funds he is collecting from the mining rewards and how funds are being spent, as this will go a long way to rebuilding trust in the community as well.

We did our best to rescue the situation, we are sorry we could not achieve this for everyone involved.

Best,

Andy (Talkteam), Chris (Ignition75), Dom (djm34), Atef (karimdr2) & Crz

The exchanges refuse to  switch to the new fork and your team removes fork.
Finally,you stupid assholes know you are losers.
Can you be more stupid than this?
 

[Undead_Phenix]

Dear Community,

We have decided to remove our proposed fork of the Talkcoin code and resign from the project for the following reasons:

• We didn't expect the dev to return after a month offline and consequently all this negativity and FUD  is putting the final nails in the coffin of a coin that had already experienced a long and steady decline in price and market confidence.
  
• The developer gave no updates for 2 months while Talkcoin was being dumped and only started communicating again recently after receiving 560,000+ TAC from mining and voting for development costs.  Of these funds, around 20% were paid in bounties and we still got no answers as to where the remainder went.
  
• Even though we did our best to explain to the exchanges about the lack of communication on the existence of the devfund and the -votedev command, this was not enough evidence for the exchanges to switch to the new fork with the dev returning and active on the forum.  If we were to continue and fork the network under these circumstances, it is bad for everyone involved.
  
• The team is exhausted from the constant trolling and we would rather spend our energy and $ on a new project that isn't controlled by someone that doesn't share our vision or long term outlook for a coin.  Nor do we want to work with a developer that refuses to work openly or as part of a team.
  

We would like to thank all the investors, miners and the pools xHash.net, MineP.it, DwarfPool.com and Suprnova.cc who supported us plus special thanks to Aizen and bushstar, and we are sorry that we have to retract our takover now to prevent a fork in the network that would only make things worse.  We would strongly suggest to everybody now that you hold the developer accountable to follow through on his recent promises and to provide a clear roadmap and updates as to what is being developed.

We also recommend the community ask that the developer starts to be upfront about what funds he is collecting from the mining rewards and how funds are being spent, as this will go a long way to rebuilding trust in the community as well.

We did our best to rescue the situation, we are sorry we could not achieve this for everyone involved.

Best,

Andy (Talkteam), Chris (Ignition75), Dom (djm34), Atef (karimdr2) & Crz

No v2 from now on, right? 

[graydust]

Stupid new team,waste our time and power fee.  

[GoldenBTC]

What a lousy joke!