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May 21, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
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Putin sells GAS to china

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May 21, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
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Putin sells GAS to china

Sure, why not? If you run a business you need customers. China is a big customer.

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Everything is about money, not about you, not about the people in Ukraine.





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May 21, 2014, 06:57:03 PM
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Burn wood.
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May 21, 2014, 06:59:54 PM
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Putin sells GAS to china

Sure, why not? If you run a business you need customers. China is a big customer.

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Everything is about money, not about you, not about the people in Ukraine.







Everything is about money?

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May 21, 2014, 07:02:50 PM
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your parents bought you to the world, for what?  for money HuhHuh??
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May 21, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
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two mother-fuckers can trade each other  Sad
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May 21, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
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ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!!  Angry

In the eyes of politicans, yes. Calm down and let me explain.

There is always a financial aspect to war in the eyes of the politicians/banksters. Sending an army over costs a lot of money, so they want to benefit in one way or another.
The International Monetary Fund has approved a two-year $17.1 billion loan package for Ukraine, this is one way to get money back. Another way is resources (both Russia and US/EU are interested in the resources in the Ukraine). Do you think the US wants to involve in a war on the other side of the globe for free?




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May 21, 2014, 08:09:29 PM
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Everything is about money?

ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!!  Angry

In the eyes of politicans, yes. Calm down and let me explain.

There is always a financial aspect to war in the eyes of the politicians/banksters. Sending an army over costs a lot of money, so they want to benefit in one way or another.
The International Monetary Fund has approved a two-year $17.1 billion loan package for Ukraine, this is one way to get money back. Another way is resources (both Russia and US/EU are interested in the resources in the Ukraine). Do you think the US wants to involve in a war on the other side of the globe for free?






no they want, even if they had some use of it, they would think twice before entering

they don't want to enter a conflict with Russia, they know what the conflict could cause and they're most probably going to stick with political and economic sanctions
military intervention?

they're not that brave, maybe just some financial help to Ukraine..

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May 21, 2014, 08:10:48 PM
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Everything is about money?

ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!!  Angry

In the eyes of politicans, yes. Calm down and let me explain.

There is always a financial aspect to war in the eyes of the politicians/banksters. Sending an army over costs a lot of money, so they want to benefit in one way or another.
The International Monetary Fund has approved a two-year $17.1 billion loan package for Ukraine, this is one way to get money back. Another way is resources (both Russia and US/EU are interested in the resources in the Ukraine). Do you think the US wants to involve in a war on the other side of the globe for free?






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May 21, 2014, 08:14:26 PM
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Only the winning keep the loot. Losing side have nothing.

the attack will cost more then the loot, modern warfare is too expensive
especially if you have to transfer your army from the other side of the globe and you can't just simply steal everything you see

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May 21, 2014, 08:51:01 PM
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Yes, china just signed some deal about gas with russia, they should have signed something but about bitcoins  Grin

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/china-russia-sign-400-billion-gas-deal/2014/05/21/364e9e74-e0de-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html
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May 21, 2014, 11:34:07 PM
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http://rt.com/business/160068-china-russia-gas-deal/


This thread-title and start is absolutely horrible, fyi TS.



I just love that repeating scene of Putin and Xi Jinping cheering. Great times Ahead for everyone, bitcoiners aswell!

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May 21, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
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This deal is a win win situation for Russia and China

Russia - a sanction by western countries has little effect now to Russia. Europe needs Russian gas and Russia can sell that gas to China.

China - Most gas and oil came to China thru sea routes. This sea routes can be easily blocked in times of war. A supply of oil and gas coming from siberia make China not too dependent on sea routes.
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May 22, 2014, 12:00:07 AM
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Putin sells GAS to china

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Pipeline wont be built for years. 

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May 22, 2014, 12:03:24 AM
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Gas prices in China and Japan are way higher than they are in Europe.  Russia was effectively giving away charity to Europe for several decades in return for capital investment, lessening up on visas, et cetera - but it seems like relationship is dead now due to the Ukraine thing.

European gas bills are slowly going to be hiked up minimum 3 times within the next 10 years, so there isn't protests on the streets when Europeans have to pay international rates for natural gas.

Europeans will have to get used to wearing coats indoors, less they want to return to coal or frack more in Romania.

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May 22, 2014, 12:12:29 AM
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Gas prices in China and Japan are way higher than they are in Europe.  Russia was effectively giving away charity to Europe for several decades in return for capital investment, lessening up on visas, et cetera - but it seems like relationship is dead now due to the Ukraine thing.

European gas bills are slowly going to be hiked up minimum 3 times within the next 10 years, so there isn't protests on the streets when Europeans have to pay international rates for natural gas.

Europeans will have to get used to wearing coats indoors, less they want to return to coal or frack more in Romania.

Can I Guess you're american?


What will this mean for americans, do you think? It basically means that the road to dollar collapse just got a lot Shorter. Russia and China will not purchase USD to trade between their countries, they will use their own currency. Soon others will follow. This means the Death for the petrodollar. That means: If my Guess was correct: You'll be wearing coats, guns and shoes indoors for some years to come.

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May 22, 2014, 12:13:46 AM
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While US and Europe put pressure on Russia for invading Ukrane, Russia is surely going to sell cheap gas to China. China is their ally afterall. Internation trade is politics.
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May 22, 2014, 01:26:41 AM
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Gas prices in China and Japan are way higher than they are in Europe.  Russia was effectively giving away charity to Europe for several decades in return for capital investment, lessening up on visas, et cetera - but it seems like relationship is dead now due to the Ukraine thing.

European gas bills are slowly going to be hiked up minimum 3 times within the next 10 years, so there isn't protests on the streets when Europeans have to pay international rates for natural gas.

Europeans will have to get used to wearing coats indoors, less they want to return to coal or frack more in Romania.

Natural gas is all about location.  Location.  Location.  Location.

If you can't get it somewhere it is worth less there it is and more where it isn't.  That is why natural gas is so cheap in America as well.  The price will stay that way until the pipeline is built (4 years) or demand lowers (unlikely).  Europe has a few years to change sources and MUST START NOW on meaningful plans or they will get quite cold.  Except for France. 



Can I Guess you're american?


What will this mean for americans, do you think? It basically means that the road to dollar collapse just got a lot Shorter. Russia and China will not purchase USD to trade between their countries, they will use their own currency. Soon others will follow. This means the Death for the petrodollar. That means: If my Guess was correct: You'll be wearing coats, guns and shoes indoors for some years to come.

The USA is in better shape then the naysayers would like to believe.  Ten years ago the USA was reliant on imported oil and gas and had to pay for it.  If this where to have happened ten years ago there would be bigger problems.  Now the USA is a net energy exporter and is only growing output.  People will have to pay for that energy in USD.  Even if the market is small, the USA will not be hurt, it won't be purchasing much energy from hostile players. 



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May 22, 2014, 01:58:18 AM
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Gas prices in China and Japan are way higher than they are in Europe.  Russia was effectively giving away charity to Europe for several decades in return for capital investment, lessening up on visas, et cetera - but it seems like relationship is dead now due to the Ukraine thing.

European gas bills are slowly going to be hiked up minimum 3 times within the next 10 years, so there isn't protests on the streets when Europeans have to pay international rates for natural gas.

Europeans will have to get used to wearing coats indoors, less they want to return to coal or frack more in Romania.

Natural gas is all about location.  Location.  Location.  Location.

If you can't get it somewhere it is worth less there it is and more where it isn't.  That is why natural gas is so cheap in America as well.  The price will stay that way until the pipeline is built (4 years) or demand lowers (unlikely).  Europe has a few years to change sources and MUST START NOW on meaningful plans or they will get quite cold.  Except for France.  



Can I Guess you're american?


What will this mean for americans, do you think? It basically means that the road to dollar collapse just got a lot Shorter. Russia and China will not purchase USD to trade between their countries, they will use their own currency. Soon others will follow. This means the Death for the petrodollar. That means: If my Guess was correct: You'll be wearing coats, guns and shoes indoors for some years to come.

The USA is in better shape then the naysayers would like to believe.  Ten years ago the USA was reliant on imported oil and gas and had to pay for it.  If this where to have happened ten years ago there would be bigger problems.  Now the USA is a net energy exporter and is only growing output.  People will have to pay for that energy in USD.  Even if the market is small, the USA will not be hurt, it won't be purchasing much energy from hostile players.  





Except China's trade deals with Russia, Australia, Germany, the EU, Iran, Brazil and a slew of others, and its recent massive gold buy up, and its heavy investing in green and futures tech, and a slew of other things has put China in the #1 spot, already surpassing the US in Jan/Feb as the #1 exporter in the world...and the US doesn't really do shit anymore but give dipshits in suits consulting jobs.

China doesn't have to set foot in this country to take down the US. They want to conquer the world economically and they're actively and systematically doing so while the US bloats and smugly hollers "we're nummer one!" all the way into poverty.

We will be hurt and hurt badly when China, Russia and others knock out the petrodollar, toss the US bonds, devalue our currency and send it into the ultimate unrecoverable nosedive.

We're not #1. We're #2. And living in denial. China can easily make the US its bitch. The arrogance of the oh so mighty US is the problem that will only make our Empire fall that much harder and more of a shock to the unexpecting.

You say "anti government" like that's a bad thing...

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May 22, 2014, 02:19:04 AM
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@Serenitys: Only the People With capacity/capability to understand/know are in denial. Theese are just repeaters of printed lies. Thanks for writing what I meant but was too lazy to put in print Smiley

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