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August 22, 2014, 09:12:06 AM
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Preliminary remark: don't even think of accusing me of shilling for BBR. If an altcoin community can't handle criticism, or even just critical questions, it isn't worth investing in, imo.


x-post from another thread. The rest of the thread can be safely ignored, full of shit posts.


Have you tried downloading the client? Everything is clunky and slow. I'm not really big on Cryptonote, but I tried Boolberry, just to see if the problem was endemic to Cryptonote, and it isn't. Boolberry was basically one click, fast and everything worked. Using Monero gave me the perception that it was put together by incompetents. These people are holding up a pile of shit and claiming that it's gold. The community is literally full of megalomaniac delusionals. At least put some effort into usability!

Absolutely agreed. I posted about this previously:

I've just attempted to install XMR wallet on OSX. visited the (awfully formatted) page at http://monero.cc/getting-started/ to extract the OSX setup in a tar.bz2 archive

I'm left with some cryptic error in the command line about boost librarys



Meanwhile the BBR wallet was a simple one click to setup



Right now, BBR just works- one click setup. It syncs faster than XMR. The interface is not in wireframe or mockup stage, it's out now and perfectly intuitive  It improves upon the anonymity of CN

It has inbuilt capability to reduce the size of the blockchain by 30-70% BBR features aliases, so you can send money to your friend tony by typing  @tony and clicking send , just like twitter messages. Meanwhile with XMR you are forced to copy and paste long sequences of numbers. BBR has completely open source GPU miners, that don't hold you to ransom by stealing hashpower or forcing a donation to the dev like with XMR.

BBR has got a much more attractive emission curve that actually had a bit of foresight. XMR was cloned verbatim without much thought it seems. greedy miners will love it though.. BBR has more sensible block times. with BBR there is more chance for ecosystem to mature to a level where a larger pool of participants can gain rewards, XMR will be 50% mined in a year, which has been a death sentence for other coins.  BBR will require less daily BTC inflow to maintain the current price, the list goes on.

 Monero is praised as the 'only contender in the risk for global liquidity market' or some shit, claimed as the next litecoin, pumped all day long by rpietila and his band of merry men. Jumping on the trollbox is a harrowing experience because you get accosted by guys who ask if they can just take 2 minutes of your time to tell you about monero almost instantly. We're seeing 1000x price increase predictions for XMR. Not going to happen of course but it sounds good, and that's what matter- gives a target and a bit of hope. Who would want to miss out on 1000x gains? no-one so join the train! Meanwhile BBR is ranking barely above CleanWaterCoin, below applecoin, guldencoin, zccoin etc and constantly hemorrhaging. What a Sorry state of affairs. I know which one I see more upwards potential in

XMR proponents and shills will come here and spout the same story 'we are not taking part in a race' we're doing things slowly and gradually. Tortoise and the hare style. They make these insinuations BBR has rushed and that'll cost them the race that they are already losing for completely different reasons

If you haven't actually used the two, go and use them both side by side. BBR just works well, now. Perfectly decent user experience. I know I come across here like a massive BBR shill but it just boggles my mind to see the disparity in valuation. BBR is almost 5% of the price of XMR. you can literally nearly by 20BBR for every 1 XMR. The fundamentals are not in place to support that fuckery.


Looks like a reasonable enough post to me, but I can only evaluate some of the arguments made... the GUI aspect for example looks plausible to me, but I don't know what's supposed to be better about the BBR emission curve, for example.

So, any comments on the other points? Any stringent reason why I shouldn't shift part of my XMR holdings into BBR as a hedge?

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August 22, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
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Looks like a reasonable enough post to me, but I can only evaluate some of the arguments made... the GUI aspect for example looks plausible to me, but I don't know what's supposed to be better about the BBR emission curve, for example.

So, any comments on the other points? Any stringent reason why I shouldn't shift part of my XMR holdings into BBR as a hedge?

Replied to you in that thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8482531#msg8482531

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August 22, 2014, 10:33:01 AM
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Looks like a reasonable enough post to me, but I can only evaluate some of the arguments made... the GUI aspect for example looks plausible to me, but I don't know what's supposed to be better about the BBR emission curve, for example.

So, any comments on the other points? Any stringent reason why I shouldn't shift part of my XMR holdings into BBR as a hedge?

Replied to you in that thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751095.msg8482531#msg8482531

Will respond there as well. Good answers, btw.

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August 22, 2014, 11:27:15 AM
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BLABLABLA

Are you gonna post this in every topic which is relevant to XMR? Please, this is just sad..

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August 22, 2014, 11:33:23 AM
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Perhaps a self-moderated topic is the way to go next time.
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August 22, 2014, 12:21:25 PM
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Perhaps a self-moderated topic is the way to go next time.

Maybe you can make a new speculation thread and we let the moderator close this one? To much trolling going on here..

Low volume today worries me a bit, maybe it's just the calm before the storm  Cheesy

It might be good signal, volume is usually low before triangle breakout  Wink I am betting we are breaking upwards.
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August 22, 2014, 12:26:36 PM
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Perhaps a self-moderated topic is the way to go next time.

Perhaps, but then we might be accused of censorship. Also I believe you already have a dedicated and moderated Monero speculation economics thread (which currently serves a similar purpose), I guess the good thing about mine is that it draws in the low level troll talk and hopefully leaves yours to be the place for more serious talk.

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August 22, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
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Also, the trolls are so stupid and their arguments so weak that they are in fact helping our cause, I think.
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August 22, 2014, 12:30:12 PM
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Also, the trolls are so stupid and their arguments so weak that they are in fact helping our cause, I think.

Unfortunately, the sane people typically don't want to read stuff with a low signal-to-noise ratio, so this is the reason the trolls should be deleted. It hinders adoption.
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August 22, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
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Also, the trolls are so stupid and their arguments so weak that they are in fact helping our cause, I think.

Unfortunately, the sane people typically don't want to read stuff with a low signal-to-noise ratio, so this is the reason the trolls should be deleted. It hinders adoption.

Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.

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In addition, I think we really need a good official forum and move some of the heavier technical talk into our own community.
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August 22, 2014, 12:43:01 PM
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Unfortunately, the sane people typically don't want to read stuff with a low signal-to-noise ratio, so this is the reason the trolls should be deleted. It hinders adoption.
Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.
Smiley

In addition, I think we really need a good official forum and move some of the heavier technical talk into our own community.
Actually rpietila is right. I was always in favor of a good coin moving to a moderated thread. Obviously it has to be made by someone who's more active and trusted supporter of x Coin.
The trolls do hinder adoption as some people do not realize that they are actually well trolls.
Doesn't Monero have an official forum?

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August 22, 2014, 12:46:35 PM
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Also, the trolls are so stupid and their arguments so weak that they are in fact helping our cause, I think.

Unfortunately, the sane people typically don't want to read stuff with a low signal-to-noise ratio, so this is the reason the trolls should be deleted. It hinders adoption.

Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.

Smiley

In addition, I think we really need a good official forum and move some of the heavier technical talk into our own community.

It would be good for monero to make something like this, monerotalk for example! Litecoin has this also and I think it would be helpfull for adoption.

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August 22, 2014, 12:55:28 PM
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We will have a custom forum and its already in the works, but we wont use standard forum software so it will take a bit.
If we just launch a forum we are stuck like bitcointalk with SMF or whatever forum software we choose later. But thats not sufficient of what we need feature and security wise.
So give it a little bit more time.

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August 22, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
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I am against censorship. I want to hear the opposite voice and see if it has a point or is a troll.

However someone who opens 3 threads fuding Monero in half an hour and posting on other threads the same thing with large red fonts without actually stating anything needs to be banned for spamming...

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August 22, 2014, 02:10:29 PM
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Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.

Not sure, but I believe the OP has the right to lock a thread, also not self-moderated..
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August 22, 2014, 02:15:11 PM
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Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.

Not sure, but I believe the OP has the right to lock a thread, also not self-moderated..

Well I can't find the option anywhere...
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August 22, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
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Well to be honest I read your threads and the main Monero thread way more than this one, I wouldn't mind if a moderator closed it.

Not sure, but I believe the OP has the right to lock a thread, also not self-moderated..

Well I can't find the option anywhere...

Edit the OP then click "additional options" at the bottom
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August 22, 2014, 02:33:24 PM
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