[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[dooglus]

https://twitter.com/richiela/status/589550058112090112

pfft!

richie

I'm guessing this is a fake bittrex-richie?

05:35:32 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> hello
05:35:47 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> where is doouglas
05:35:54 (4764) <@Wilco> canada
05:36:05 (136) <@sqwerty> probably at home
05:36:13 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> damn...
05:36:29 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> i setup all
05:36:37 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> shit....
05:36:42 (4764) <@Wilco> anything we can help with?
05:37:27 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> hahahah
05:37:36 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> well i need 25 btc worth clams
05:37:56 (4764) <@Wilco> yeah i would either send doog a email or wait for him to come online
05:38:11 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> we need clams for 10 min
05:38:18 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> i prepare btc
05:38:20 (1107458) <bittrex-richie> shit
05:39:01 (4764) <@Wilco> sounds dodgy
05:39:07 (136) <@sqwerty> way dodgy
05:39:18 (136) <@sqwerty> 25 btc clams for 10 min... then what.

Be careful out there, people. Scammers gonna scam.

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[tspacepilot]

I have to ask for curiosity, dooglus, did you invent the clams?  Or were you in on the making or planning or launching of clams?  I'm just curious whether this is a project that you've been in from the getgo or if it's something that you stumbled across and took a liking to.

[dooglus]

I have to ask for curiosity, dooglus, did you invent the clams?  Or were you in on the making or planning or launching of clams?  I'm just curious whether this is a project that you've been in from the getgo or if it's something that you stumbled across and took a liking to.

I first heard about CLAM in the Just-Dice chat tab from masterp4. He told me I should look into it because I probably had thousands of free CLAM waiting for me, since each Just-Dice user had their own deposit address, and each address was given 4.6 CLAM.

I took a look, and found that relatively few of the Just-Dice addresses were funded at the time of the CLAM snapshot, because I regularly swept almost all the coins from the hot wallet into a single offsite cold storage address.

Fri Jul 11 01:44:05 2014 (98701) <masterp4> and i agreed with you. it is a way to get btc, even if you hate alts.
Fri Jul 11 01:45:37 2014 (98701) <masterp4> in fact it is a good opportunity.
Fri Jul 11 01:46:52 2014 (98701) <masterp4> for example every qualify addie get you like 4 clams at the price that was yesterday of about. 0.017 you can get a good profit just with a couple of addies.

I ended up digging through all my old retired wallets (BTC and DOGE) and found a total of 52 funded address, so I got a little over 200 free CLAMs.

I liked the initial distribution method, and had never played with any proof-of-stake coin before, so I started to get involved.

[tspacepilot]

I have to ask for curiosity, dooglus, did you invent the clams?  Or were you in on the making or planning or launching of clams?  I'm just curious whether this is a project that you've been in from the getgo or if it's something that you stumbled across and took a liking to.

I first heard about CLAM in the Just-Dice chat tab from masterp4. He told me I should look into it because I probably had thousands of free CLAM waiting for me, since each Just-Dice user had their own deposit address, and each address was given 4.6 CLAM.

I took a look, and found that relatively few of the Just-Dice addresses were funded at the time of the CLAM snapshot, because I regularly swept almost all the coins from the hot wallet into a single offsite cold storage address.

Fri Jul 11 01:44:05 2014 (98701) <masterp4> and i agreed with you. it is a way to get btc, even if you hate alts.
Fri Jul 11 01:45:37 2014 (98701) <masterp4> in fact it is a good opportunity.
Fri Jul 11 01:46:52 2014 (98701) <masterp4> for example every qualify addie get you like 4 clams at the price that was yesterday of about. 0.017 you can get a good profit just with a couple of addies.

I ended up digging through all my old retired wallets (BTC and DOGE) and found a total of 52 funded address, so I got a little over 200 free CLAMs.

I liked the initial distribution method, and had never played with any proof-of-stake coin before, so I started to get involved.

Got it.  I have to say your involvement in CLAM actually brings a lot of credibility that a lot of the alts just don't have.  I'm pretty sure I've got at least one more address which was funded and whose CLAMs I haven't dug.  I'm watching and waiting for now.  Cheers!

[dooglus]

The price has fully recovered from the 20k dump around 17th April:



and there are very few CLAMs available at less than 0.0075 BTC now:



(and not much buy pressure about 0.005 BTC either - that's quite a wide spread so it could easily go either way from here).

[tspacepilot]

Yes, lets see which way that goes.  If clams start selling north of 0.01BTC then I'd certainly take some action to dig up whatever I might have left.

[leptar]

don't know what happened but haven't staked in a few days since i edited the clam.conf file.. all i did was add

splitsize=9.69
debug=stake

so my clam balance wouldn't stake almost all at once.

it looked like it was working but the last stake was 60% of my coins which was allot more then 9.69


TIA,
Leptar

[jmasterson]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

[BayAreaCoins]

My guess is we see around .004 again.  It would be nice to see it get to where the bid could have a fat ass stack on it as to accommodate possible winner confidence on Just-dice and other places. 

The other day I was fucking around with a friend and he wouldn't take my action because he was concerned 4,000 CLAMS was more than he could sell.  People need confidence they can sell their 4k CLAMS and from a sellers stand point I could really "feel" that confidence in the .004 range.  That is where I'll be buying I think.... (yet again who knows.)

I'd say that is the bottom of the dump at this point UNLESS there is a really good service with sound marketing that encourages people to automatically dig their addresses.

I think the CLAM spike was related to that stupid bearish bet on https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/

[kolloh]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

Easiest way is to download the Clam client and import your wallet.dat file.

[BayAreaCoins]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

Easiest way is to download the Clam client and import your wallet.dat file.

Electrum doesn't have a .dat file does it?

I was talking to someone the other day trying to dig with a EW as well.

[shorena]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

Easiest way is to download the Clam client and import your wallet.dat file.

Electrum doesn't have a .dat file does it?

I was talking to someone the other day trying to dig with a EW as well.

/dig on just-dice

Aint getting easier.

[dooglus]

don't know what happened but haven't staked in a few days since i edited the clam.conf file.. all i did was add

splitsize=9.69
debug=stake

so my clam balance wouldn't stake almost all at once.

it looked like it was working but the last stake was 60% of my coins which was allot more then 9.69


TIA,
Leptar

"debug=stake" can cause a lot of output to be written to the debug file, particularly if you have a lot of separate outputs. In extreme cases the extra debugging could be bogging the staking down.

Setting "splitsize" controls the output of your staking, not the inputs. If a 100 CLAM output stakes, it will create ~11 outputs of size 9.69 instead of a single large output of size 101.

[SuperClam]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

This may be helpful? listaddresses->dumpprivkeys

https://electrum.orain.org/wiki/List_of_commands
https://electrum.orain.org/wiki/Python_Console
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139043.0

[kolloh]

how do i claim if i have an electrum wallet?

Easiest way is to download the Clam client and import your wallet.dat file.

Electrum doesn't have a .dat file does it?

I was talking to someone the other day trying to dig with a EW as well.

Oh I wasn't aware electrum didn't use .dat files. Haven't personally tried electrum.

[dooglus]

My guess is we see around .004 again.  It would be nice to see it get to where the bid could have a fat ass stack on it as to accommodate possible winner confidence on Just-dice and other places. 

The other day I was fucking around with a friend and he wouldn't take my action because he was concerned 4,000 CLAMS was more than he could sell.  People need confidence they can sell their 4k CLAMS and from a sellers stand point I could really "feel" that confidence in the .004 range.  That is where I'll be buying I think.... (yet again who knows.)

There are currently existing buy orders for 17,000 CLAMs at 0.004 and higher. Nobody would have any trouble selling 4,000 CLAMs at 0.004 or higher.

I think the CLAM spike was related to that stupid bearish bet on https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/

I think it was mostly players losing on Just-Dice and buying more to try to win back their losses driving the price up, and people taking advantage of the higher prices to cash out driving it back down. I doubt that a small bet about the price on cryptsy had much to do with it, but I could be wrong.

[BayAreaCoins]

My guess is we see around .004 again.  It would be nice to see it get to where the bid could have a fat ass stack on it as to accommodate possible winner confidence on Just-dice and other places.  

The other day I was fucking around with a friend and he wouldn't take my action because he was concerned 4,000 CLAMS was more than he could sell.  People need confidence they can sell their 4k CLAMS and from a sellers stand point I could really "feel" that confidence in the .004 range.  That is where I'll be buying I think.... (yet again who knows.)

There are currently existing buy orders for 17,000 CLAMs at 0.004 and higher. Nobody would have any trouble selling 4,000 CLAMs at 0.004 or higher.

My CLAMS vs their cash.  It was also a little bit ago, but that 20% range was enough to have them say no.  They won 2000 CLAMS and had 0 issues getting them into BTC of course.  It just appears thin (like you said it could go either way)... at .004 I think it would look thick.  I figure everyone who has a invested above .004 would probably chip something at it if it was at that level.

I think it was mostly players losing on Just-Dice and buying more to try to win back their losses driving the price up, and people taking advantage of the higher prices to cash out driving it back down. I doubt that a small bet about the price on cryptsy had much to do with it, but I could be wrong.

Probably right doog.

[rocoro]

@Dooglus

Has the bootstrap.dat for clams been linearized? 
Similar to doing something like this (so no orphans or forks in bootstrap.dat) - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/linearize

Trying to figure out how to do that for PoS coins like yours..  do you happen to have an example linearize-data.py in that regards?

Thanks for any help and help you've provided in the past!

[dooglus]

@Dooglus

Has the bootstrap.dat for clams been linearized? 
Similar to doing something like this (so no orphans or forks in bootstrap.dat) - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/linearize

Trying to figure out how to do that for PoS coins like yours..  do you happen to have an example linearize-data.py in that regards?

Thanks for any help and help you've provided in the past!

Well, yes, that's what a bootstrap.dat file *is*. You just write all the blocks in the main chain into a file one after the other.

I added a command 'dumpbootstrap' to clamd that creates the bootstrap.dat file rather than writing a separate Python script to do it.

You can probably just merge the commit into your coin.

[rocoro]

@Dooglus

Has the bootstrap.dat for clams been linearized? 
Similar to doing something like this (so no orphans or forks in bootstrap.dat) - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/linearize

Trying to figure out how to do that for PoS coins like yours..  do you happen to have an example linearize-data.py in that regards?

Thanks for any help and help you've provided in the past!

Well, yes, that's what a bootstrap.dat file *is*. You just write all the blocks in the main chain into a file one after the other.

I added a command 'dumpbootstrap' to clamd that creates the bootstrap.dat file rather than writing a separate Python script to do it.

You can probably just merge the commit into your coin.

Hmm.. I thought that python script stripped out all the orphan blocks.. and "to create a no-fork best chain version" as it states.
If I write out all the blocks into one file,  I see the client trying to work through all the orphan blocks when importing..  (tail -f debug.log to see the messages).

I'll look at dumpbootstrap,  thank you.