[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[m3]

http://themerkle.com/speculation/clams-technical-analysis-for-4262015/

Technical Analysis for 4/26

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[dooglus]

Well, yes, that's what a bootstrap.dat file *is*. You just write all the blocks in the main chain into a file one after the other.

I added a command 'dumpbootstrap' to clamd that creates the bootstrap.dat file rather than writing a separate Python script to do it.

You can probably just merge the commit into your coin.

Hmm.. I thought that python script stripped out all the orphan blocks.. and "to create a no-fork best chain version" as it states.
If I write out all the blocks into one file,  I see the client trying to work through all the orphan blocks when importing..  (tail -f debug.log to see the messages).

I'll look at dumpbootstrap,  thank you.

Note that I said "in the main chain".

Orphan blocks are by definition not in the main chain.

See https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/commit/3bb9c0ed for the initial commit.

At its core it just does this - finds each block in order, reads it from disk, writes it to the bootstrap file:

Code:

+        for (int nHeight = 0; nHeight <= nBlocks; nHeight++)
+        {
+            CBlockIndex* pblockindex = FindBlockByHeight(nHeight);
+            block.ReadFromDisk(pblockindex, true);
+            fileout << FLATDATA(Params().MessageStart()) << fileout.GetSerializeSize(block) << block;
+        }

[qiwoman2]

My guess is we see around .004 again.  It would be nice to see it get to where the bid could have a fat ass stack on it as to accommodate possible winner confidence on Just-dice and other places.  

The other day I was fucking around with a friend and he wouldn't take my action because he was concerned 4,000 CLAMS was more than he could sell.  People need confidence they can sell their 4k CLAMS and from a sellers stand point I could really "feel" that confidence in the .004 range.  That is where I'll be buying I think.... (yet again who knows.)

There are currently existing buy orders for 17,000 CLAMs at 0.004 and higher. Nobody would have any trouble selling 4,000 CLAMs at 0.004 or higher.

My CLAMS vs their cash.  It was also a little bit ago, but that 20% range was enough to have them say no.  They won 2000 CLAMS and had 0 issues getting them into BTC of course.  It just appears thin (like you said it could go either way)... at .004 I think it would look thick.  I figure everyone who has a invested above .004 would probably chip something at it if it was at that level.

I think it was mostly players losing on Just-Dice and buying more to try to win back their losses driving the price up, and people taking advantage of the higher prices to cash out driving it back down. I doubt that a small bet about the price on cryptsy had much to do with it, but I could be wrong.

Probably right doog.

Apart from Just-Dice where else can we use Clams and how many clams are there now in existence/ I really like the community support that Clams has. We were also going to translate the site into Chinese but not heard anything of that as yet.

[kolloh]

Apart from Just-Dice where else can we use Clams and how many clams are there now in existence/ I really like the community support that Clams has. We were also going to translate the site into Chinese but not heard anything of that as yet.

According to Just-Dice:
68,461 of 3,208,032 sets of 4.60545574 CLAM were dug up so far from the initial distribution
315,294 CLAM were dug up and 337,828 CLAM were staked for a total of 653,122 CLAM

I know there is also https://bustaclam.com/ which is a clam clone of bustabit. Not sure what other places you can use clam at the moment.

[BayAreaCoins]

Apart from Just-Dice where else can we use Clams and how many clams are there now in existence/ I really like the community support that Clams has. We were also going to translate the site into Chinese but not heard anything of that as yet.

www.BitDice.me
www.FortuneJack.com
www.BustaClam.com

[garthkiser]

Apart from Just-Dice where else can we use Clams and how many clams are there now in existence/ I really like the community support that Clams has. We were also going to translate the site into Chinese but not heard anything of that as yet.

We didn't forget about your translation offer
There's just lots of other work going on lately.
When website work does come up again, you'll be remembered.

[ShapeShift.io]

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[SuperClam]

Apart from Just-Dice where else can we use Clams and how many clams are there now in existence/ I really like the community support that Clams has. We were also going to translate the site into Chinese but not heard anything of that as yet.

PURCHASE ON AMAZON.COM WITH CLAMS: ShapeShift.io‬ has partnered with Purse.io, a service that matches customers wishing to purchase ‪bitcoin‬ with bitcoin holders wanting to purchase items with retail giant Amazon.com. You can now make your purchases with Clam: http://bit.ly/1JTnSdP

Hopefully helpful?

[luckygenough56]

so if i didn't own btc/ltc/doge in any cold wallets before late 2014, i have no clams ?? 

[Trent Russell]

Small technical question: Is the clamspeech message a part of the transaction that's signed?

[BayAreaCoins]

so if i didn't own btc/ltc/doge in any cold wallets before late 2014, i have no clams ?? 

Hot wallets work too as long as you are in control of the private key.

The address just needs to have been funded on May 12th, 2014 in order to have received free CLAMS.

[ShapeShift.io]

so if i didn't own btc/ltc/doge in any cold wallets before late 2014, i have no clams ?? 

Anyone can buy CLAMS instantly on ShapeShift.io (pay with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Dogecoin, or about 25 other altcoins)

[dooglus]

Small technical question: Is the clamspeech message a part of the transaction that's signed?

When signing a transaction, we copy the transaction, blank out the details we don't want to include, serialise the transaction and hash it.

The serialisation is done like this:

Code:

    IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE
    (
        READWRITE(this->nVersion);
        nVersion = this->nVersion;
        READWRITE(nTime);
        READWRITE(vin);
        READWRITE(vout);
        READWRITE(nLockTime);
        if (this->nVersion > LEGACY_VERSION_1)
        {
          READWRITE(strCLAMSpeech);
        }
    )

so yes, the CLAMspeech is included. It makes sense because otherwise the guy staking a block could change the speech in all the transactions he is including to whatever he wanted.

[Trent Russell]

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so yes, the CLAMspeech is included. It makes sense because otherwise the guy staking a block could change the speech in all the transactions he is including to whatever he wanted.

Thanks dooglus.

Some of the meta-coins on bitcoin like counterparty encode their data in bitcoin txs using OP_RETURN outputs. In CLAMs someone could use CLAMspeech for this purpose. I know that wasn't the intention of CLAMspeech, but unless I'm missing something it seems to fit the need more directly than OP_RETURN outputs. Does anyone know of someone working on something like this?

[jubalix]

hi....so how is it ensured that your priv keys are not stolen?

[dooglus]

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so yes, the CLAMspeech is included. It makes sense because otherwise the guy staking a block could change the speech in all the transactions he is including to whatever he wanted.

Thanks dooglus.

Some of the meta-coins on bitcoin like counterparty encode their data in bitcoin txs using OP_RETURN outputs. In CLAMs someone could use CLAMspeech for this purpose. I know that wasn't the intention of CLAMspeech, but unless I'm missing something it seems to fit the need more directly than OP_RETURN outputs. Does anyone know of someone working on something like this?

I don't know if anyone is working on it, but I have definitely seen the core devs of CLAM talking about using CLAMspeech as a field to hold counterparty-type information.

There's also some talk (and code) about using the speech field to hold hashes of documents, and providing some kind of "notary" feature, where you can use the CLAM client to notarize the existence of a document, and to search the blockchain for such data.

[dooglus]

hi....so how is it ensured that your priv keys are not stolen?

Well, first off, it is safest to assume that they *will* be stolen, and so to empty your address and commit to never using it again before importing your wallet into the CLAM client.

But the fact is that the CLAM client doesn't send the private keys anywhere. You import your old BTC wallet, and the CLAM client uses them to sign transactions which claim the 4.6 CLAMs from the initial distribution. Only the signature is broadcast over the network, not the private keys themselves.

The problem is that you have to trust that that is true, or spend a lot of time checking the code to make sure that it is true. And so it is easier to assume it isn't true, that the client is going to try to steal your keys, and so it's best to make sure the keys are worthless before giving them to the client.

tl;dr: the client won't steal your keys, but "better safe than sorry" so why not empty them first anyway?

[jubalix]

hi....so how is it ensured that your priv keys are not stolen?

Well, first off, it is safest to assume that they *will* be stolen, and so to empty your address and commit to never using it again before importing your wallet into the CLAM client.

But the fact is that the CLAM client doesn't send the private keys anywhere. You import your old BTC wallet, and the CLAM client uses them to sign transactions which claim the 4.6 CLAMs from the initial distribution. Only the signature is broadcast over the network, not the private keys themselves.

The problem is that you have to trust that that is true, or spend a lot of time checking the code to make sure that it is true. And so it is easier to assume it isn't true, that the client is going to try to steal your keys, and so it's best to make sure the keys are worthless before giving them to the client.

tl;dr: the client won't steal your keys, but "better safe than sorry" so why not empty them first anyway?

yeah your right, bit of a stupid question by me, you would empty addresses.

I guess that a bit of a hassle for cold storage.

Your distribution model is interesting, however does it favor people or encourage people who have lots of addresses with small amounts.

or did you chose some min amount of BTC on an address before you sent.

The thread is kinda long so hard to plow through and find this

[kolloh]

Your distribution model is interesting, however does it favor people or encourage people who have lots of addresses with small amounts.

or did you chose some min amount of BTC on an address before you sent.

The thread is kinda long so hard to plow through and find this

It was for addresses with any non-dust amount. The model certainly does favor those who had a lot of addresses with small amounts rather than those keeping all amounts in single addresses.

[picolo]

Your distribution model is interesting, however does it favor people or encourage people who have lots of addresses with small amounts.

or did you chose some min amount of BTC on an address before you sent.

The thread is kinda long so hard to plow through and find this

It was for addresses with any non-dust amount. The model certainly does favor those who had a lot of addresses with small amounts rather than those keeping all amounts in single addresses.

The model doesn't favor people arriving after the fact 

BTC price of CLAM should increase this summer.