The American Dream

[hilariousandco]

Oh, look it's Honeypot. Bitcointalk's resident racist angry old nationalist. Haven't seen your nonsense around for a while. I guess it's rare that you venture out of your crapcoin playpen with the rest of the children on this forum. Tell me again how you think Ron Paul Coin is going to be worth between 1-10 Bitcoins a piece  . Let me guess, now you'll resort to your barrage of childish cliche insults of calling people a bitch over and over. Still, I guess you've got to cling to that desperate sappy American dream, eh? Keep circling that drain and playing out that string .

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"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
-George Carlin

Another relevant quote from Carlin that I like:

For a long time, my stand-up material has drawn from three sources. The first is the English language: words, phrases, sayings, and the way we speak. The second source, as with most comedians, has been what I think of as the “little world,” those things we all experience every day: driving, food, pets, relationships, and idle thoughts. The third area is what I call the”big world”: war, politics, race, death, and social issues. Without having actually measured, I would say this book reflects the balance very closely. The first two areas will speak for themselves, but concerning the “big world,” let me say a few things.

I’m happy to tell you there is very little in this world that I believe in. Listening to the comedians who comment on political, social, and cultural issues, I notice most of their material reflects an underlying belief that somehow things were better once and that with just a little effort we could set them right again. They’re looking for solutions, and rooting for particular results, and I think that necessarily limits the tone and substance of what they say. They’re talented and funny people, but they’re nothing more than cheerleaders attached to a specific, wished-for outcome. I don’t feel so confined. I frankly don’t give a fuck how it all turns out in this country – or anywhere else, for that matter. I think the human game was up a long time ago (when the high priests and traders took over), and now we’re just playing out the string. And that is, of course, precisely what I find so amusing: the slow circling of the drain by a once promising species, and the sappy, ever-more-desperate belief in this country that there is actually some sort of “American Dream,” which has merely been misplaced. The decay and disintegration of this culture is astonishingly amusing if you are emotionally detached from it. I have always viewed it from a safe distance, knowing I don’t belong; it doesn’t include me, and it never has. No matter how you care to define it, I do not identify with the local group. Planet, species, race, nation, state, religion, party, union, club, association, neighborhood, improvement committee; I have no interest in any of it. I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to. So, if you read something in this book that sounds like advocacy of a particular political point of view, please reject the notion. My interest in “issues” is merely to point out how badly we’re doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don’t confuse me with those who cling to hope. I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they “ought to be.” And I certainly have no interest in fixing them. I sincerely believe that if you think there’s a solution, you’re part of the problem. My motto: Fuck Hope! P.S. Lest you wonder, personally, I am a joyful individual with a long, happy marriage and a close and loving family. My career has turned out better than I ever dreamed, and continues to expand. I am a personal optimist but skeptic about all else. What may sound to some like anger is really nothing more than sympathetic contempt. I view my species with a combination of wonder and pity, and I root for it’s destruction. And please don’t confuse my point of view with cynicism; the real cynics are the ones who tell you everything’s gonna be all right. P.P.S. By the way, if, by chance, you folks do manage to straighten things out and make everything better, I still don’t wish to be included.

Pretty amusing for a useless mouthy fool who has been suckling on the man tits of those 'sappy dreams' for all his life, yet finds it comfortable enough to bitch about it

George Carlin and the rest of those posh smart mouths are in fact the pus dripping from over abundance and complacency that is the cancer of any developed society.

Take note and check yourselves...fucking kids these days

wait, what's your reason for not liking george carlin? isn't he the guy who says to question everything and how fucked up it is?

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He just doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about the greatest country in the world and his American dream.

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i am confused.. he quoted george carlin earlier in page 1. and it's a joke at the expense of the :american dream"..

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Population is brainwash into thinking having a house is a must.

Having a house doesn't mean having a dream.

[TaunSew]

Population is brainwash into thinking having a house is a must.

Having a house doesn't mean having a dream.

Ironically, this is probably written by someone who either owns or resides in a house in the given moment.  

It's just like Al Gore who tells us to quit contributing to global warming, while he constantly flies first class / private jets and eats luxury food imported from all over the world and his mansions (which 9/10 go uninhabited as he can't be everywhere at once) are heated by natural gas.

[nickenburg]

Population is brainwash into thinking having a house is a must.

Having a house doesn't mean having a dream.

Ironically, this is probably written by someone who either owns or resides in a house in the given moment.  

It's just like Al Gore who tells us to quit contributing to global warming, while he constantly flies first class / private jets and eats luxury food imported from all over the world and his mansions (which 9/10 go uninhabited as he can't be everywhere at once) are heated by natural gas.

Well I think having a house is a dream for everyone, something to live in and come home to.
Everyone in the world should have a nice home where he can live, but that's not the case people live on the streets everywhere.
But I think the way we are supposed to get that house is all wrong, be in debt and work your whole life for your house.
Anyone in the world should be able to live in a nice house that's my dream.

[TaunSew]

Population is brainwash into thinking having a house is a must.

Having a house doesn't mean having a dream.

Ironically, this is probably written by someone who either owns or resides in a house in the given moment.  

It's just like Al Gore who tells us to quit contributing to global warming, while he constantly flies first class / private jets and eats luxury food imported from all over the world and his mansions (which 9/10 go uninhabited as he can't be everywhere at once) are heated by natural gas.

Well I think having a house is a dream for everyone, something to live in and come home to.
Everyone in the world should have a nice home where he can live, but that's not the case people live on the streets everywhere.
But I think the way we are supposed to get that house is all wrong, be in debt and work your whole life for your house.
Anyone in the world should be able to live in a nice house that's my dream.

That was the result of cheap credit which priced everyone out from affording a home, unless they borrow

[Ron~Popeil]

Population is brainwash into thinking having a house is a must.

Having a house doesn't mean having a dream.

Ironically, this is probably written by someone who either owns or resides in a house in the given moment.  

It's just like Al Gore who tells us to quit contributing to global warming, while he constantly flies first class / private jets and eats luxury food imported from all over the world and his mansions (which 9/10 go uninhabited as he can't be everywhere at once) are heated by natural gas.

Well I think having a house is a dream for everyone, something to live in and come home to.
Everyone in the world should have a nice home where he can live, but that's not the case people live on the streets everywhere.
But I think the way we are supposed to get that house is all wrong, be in debt and work your whole life for your house.
Anyone in the world should be able to live in a nice house that's my dream.

That was the result of cheap credit which priced everyone out from affording a home, unless they borrow

People were also encouraged to buy more house than they can afford and to do it with variable interest rates. But hey the bankers got their bailouts so we should be thankful.

[ReserviorHunt]

He just doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about the greatest country in the world and his American dream.

Actually , we haven't seen George Carlin doing anything useful other than pretending he's the only sane man in the room.

I have to agree to some extent with Honeypot, even if my sentiment isn't that extreme. If you look at it objectively, America has much above others, and George Carlin's opinions for the sake of self-gratification makes it difficult to take him seriously. Or any of his fans for that matter.

He's talking hard shit, bit he has nothing to back it up with. He certainly has little courage to criticize really jacked up people around the world, but is overly comfortable in criticizing at people he thinks can take pot shots at. Since when was he, a child born and raised in a comfort of 1st world nation, such an expert in moral dilemmas of the world



If nothing else, I think George Carlin is pretty much spot on........about himself

[hilariousandco]

He just doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about the greatest country in the world and his American dream.

Actually , we haven't seen George Carlin doing anything useful other than pretending he's the only sane man in the room.

I have to agree to some extent with Honeypot, even if my sentiment isn't that extreme. If you look at it objectively, America has much above others.

Are you American? Carlin probably was one of the only sane men in the room, and yes, America does have much above others: http://youtu.be/1zqOYBabXmA (from 5:18 onwards).

And you're forgetting one thing: he's a comedian.

[ReserviorHunt]

He just doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about the greatest country in the world and his American dream.

Actually , we haven't seen George Carlin doing anything useful other than pretending he's the only sane man in the room.

I have to agree to some extent with Honeypot, even if my sentiment isn't that extreme. If you look at it objectively, America has much above others.

Are you American? Carlin probably was one of the only sane men in the room, and yes, America does have much above others: http://youtu.be/1zqOYBabXmA (from 5:18 onwards).

And you're forgetting one thing: he's a comedian.

Carlin was certainly not alone in thinking there are two sides to the same coin. What's funny and pathetic is that he seems convinced he alone was the only sane one, and supported by ignorant people who praised him, most thinking they are also themselves the smartest in the room.

I think you get the picture here.

Why forget US is basically providing a great deal you take for granted? Should the dollar and most other US based structures collapse, do you have any idea how fast the world will go down the hell hole with annihilation of anything resembling stability?

And no, he is not being a comedian. That's a pretty weak cop out for wanting to rant like George Carlin.

[hilariousandco]

He's a comedian. That's his act. You know what you just sound like? A typical butthurt American who doesn't like anyone criticising their glorious country who thinks everybody in the world should owe it something. America is going down that hell hole of annihilation itself and taking the world with it and has been for quite some time. Carlin's view might be extreme, but he's funnily right if you can look at it objectively, and you're still not willing to accept he's just a comedian commenting on issues as he saw fit. Many intelligent people agreed with him. Many unintelligent ones didn't. I think you get the picture here.

[ReserviorHunt]

He's a comedian. That's his act. You know what you just sound like? A typical butthurt American who doesn't like anyone criticising their glorious country who thinks everybody in the world should owe it something. America is going down that hell hole of annihilation itself and taking the world with it and has been for quite some time. Carlin's view might be extreme, but he's funnily right if you can look at it objectively, and you're still not willing to accept he's just a comedian commenting on issues as he saw fit. Many intelligent people agreed with him. Many unintelligent ones didn't. I think you get the picture here.

Actually, he's only looking at things from what is called 'useless contrarian' point of view - arguement for the sake of arguement. His arguments could easily apply much better in east asian societies or any nations across the poverty parallel. Yet, for some reason, it's all doom and gloom for people like yourselves when it's about US.

I actually happen to think you are just being childishly cheeky about being butthurt because for one thing you automatically assume I am American, and another being you have this petulant knee jerk attitude of spouting insults while clearly not considering it oculd apply just as well else where least of all yourselves.

I happen to know many Americans who are some of the most down to earth, solid people with clear view of their goals. People like you on the other hand, try and bitch with some severe sense of insecurity complex and anxiety that is clear as day.

Tell us.....where did big bag 'murica touch you to hop and squeal without any regard for your own dignity?

[hilariousandco]

I didn't say you were one. I said you sound like one, and it's you who started the petulant knee-jerk reaction of which typical Americans do to criticism of their country. I find your hypocrisy laughable here and that in fact shows more of your insecurities and probable hollow pride in patriotism. You complain that I'm being puerile but then follow it up with the most childish reaction and innacuracy. America hasn't done anything to me personally, but I find it amusing when Americans spring to its defence as if it's the saviour of the world and we should be grateful to it for protecting and serving us all. I personally might not have felt the wrath of Team America but millions in other countries sure have and continue to do so on a daily basis, and your excuse is just, but there are worst countries - look at the Asians and poor countries! but that's always the case from you people. Passing the book and shifting the blame.

And you're still forgetting he's an American comedian commenting on what he sees and knows. Are you going to stop polishing the knob of America and bending over for it or do you have no regard for your own dignity?

[ReserviorHunt]

I didn't say you were one. I said you sound like one, and it's you who started the petulant knee-jerk reaction of which typical Americans do to criticism of their country. I find your hypocrisy laughable here and that in fact shows more of your insecurities and probable hollow pride in patriotism. You complain that I'm being puerile but then follow it up with the most childish reaction and innacuracy. America hasn't done anything to me personally, but I find it amusing when Americans spring to its defence as if it's the saviour of the world and we should be grateful to it for protecting and serving us all. I personally might not have felt the wrath of Team America but millions in other countries sure have and continue to do so on a daily basis, and your excuse is just, but there are worst countries - look at the Asians and poor countries! but that's always the case from you people. Passing the book and shifting the blame.

And you're still forgetting he's an American comedian commenting on what he sees and knows. Are you going to stop polishing the knob of America and bending over for it or do you have no regard for your own dignity?

Weren't you the one who first opened your mouth when he wasn't even being all that jingoistic? He was speaking in general about developed nations and Carlin's attitude which seem more or less accurate despite being some what extreme. Then you came in with some attitude and start taking about America and now 'team America'.

I don't think anyone said USA was the savior of the world, only doing what its influence and power eventually forces them to act in a way that protects its interests. Not to mention their so called atrocities are nothing but in your imagination, and those receiving them such as saddam or gaddafi and osama are pretty much an undeniable picture of corruption, ignorance, and outright murder.

'You people'? Every time you hang on to people's words you prove them better by actually thinking you are in the right. You sound really childish right now and I was thinking we are supposed to make this a 18+ site.

Did you get slapped by this Honeypot guy or something you sound really butthurt. Not being sarcastic.

[hilariousandco]

Weren't you the one who first opened your mouth when he wasn't even being all that jingoistic? He was speaking in general about developed nations and Carlin's attitude which seem more or less accurate despite being some what extreme. Then you came in with some attitude and start taking about America and now 'team America'.

Did you get slapped by this Honeypot guy or something you sound really butthurt. Not being sarcastic. 

Nope, he was 'slapped' by me several times before in a similar fashion to how you have just been and for similar reasons (though you're probably not as horribly racist as he is), and the only butthurt person here is you. He also resorts to childishness when he can't back up his points though, but I'll also give you that you're slightly less childish than him seeing as he generally just resorts to using the word 'bitch' and other schoolyard insults in various ways over and over. He's one of those typical Americans who think their country is the authority of the world and people should be grateful when they have the honour of being 'liberated' by them as if they've been done a great favour that could never be repaid.

I don't think anyone said USA was the savior of the world, only doing what its influence and power eventually forces them to act in a way that protects its interests. Not to mention their so called atrocities are nothing but in your imagination, and those receiving them such as saddam or gaddafi and osama are pretty much an undeniable picture of corruption, ignorance, and outright murder.

Haha. Shows how delusional you truly are. Protect its interests? Oil and money? That bolded part sounds like the very definition of what America has become and that Iraqi and Afghan body count is atrociously high, but they deserved it and are better off now because of it, right? Tyrants fighting tyrants. The real terrorists are always  the ones with the bigger weapons, but keep believing the propaganda and singing the Star Mangled Banner and believing in that sappy American dream. It's clear you are blinded by it.

[ReserviorHunt]

Weren't you the one who first opened your mouth when he wasn't even being all that jingoistic? He was speaking in general about developed nations and Carlin's attitude which seem more or less accurate despite being some what extreme. Then you came in with some attitude and start taking about America and now 'team America'.

Did you get slapped by this Honeypot guy or something you sound really butthurt. Not being sarcastic. 

Nope, he was 'slapped' by me several times before in a similar fashion to how you have just been and for similar reasons (though you're probably not as horribly racist as he is), and the only butthurt person here is you. He also resorts to childishness when he can't back up his points though, but I'll also give you that you're slightly less childish than him seeing as he generally just resorts to using the word 'bitch' and other schoolyard insults in various ways over and over. He's one of those typical Americans who think their country is the authority of the world and people should be grateful when they have the honour of being 'liberated' by them as if they've been done a great favour that could never be repaid.

I don't think anyone said USA was the savior of the world, only doing what its influence and power eventually forces them to act in a way that protects its interests. Not to mention their so called atrocities are nothing but in your imagination, and those receiving them such as saddam or gaddafi and osama are pretty much an undeniable picture of corruption, ignorance, and outright murder.

Haha. Shows how delusional you truly are. Protect its interests? Oil and money? That bolded part sounds like the very definition of what America has become and that Iraqi and Afghan body count is atrociously high, but they deserved it and are better off now because of it, right? Tyrants fighting tyrants. The real terrorists are always  the ones with the bigger weapons, but keep believing the propaganda and singing the Star Mangled Banner and believing in that sappy American dream. It's clear you are blinded by it.

Yes...you have been slapped a few times now...it shows

From what I can see the only one here thinking they know what others think while they are slapping you around silly for jumping into a conversation clearly unprepared with nothing more than mouth and cheeky attitude.

Even this Honeypot guy makes more sense than you and you are just being a nagging effeminate hung over trying to get the last word in lol.

Also, don't make obvious attempts at trying to be clever and try to be less obvious about if you are butt hurt from other people's jabs at your soft spots...try to come up with with your own thing for a change.

 You clearly have no understanding of how other people think, and even less of Americans or anyone else for that matter. Only thing sappier than the 'American Dream' is your idea about what you think you know...which you have little grasp of.

[hilariousandco]

Yes...you have been slapped a few times now...it shows

From what I can see the only one here thinking they know what others think while they are slapping you around silly for jumping into a conversation clearly unprepared with nothing more than mouth and cheeky attitude.

Even this Honeypot guy makes more sense than you and you are just being a nagging effeminate hung over trying to get the last word in lol.

Also, don't make obvious attempts at trying to be clever and try to be less obvious about if you are butt hurt from other people's jabs at your soft spots...try to come up with with your own thing for a change.

You clearly have no understanding of how other people think, and even less of Americans or anyone else for that matter. Only thing sappier than the 'American Dream' is your idea about what you think you know...which you have little grasp of.

Nope. Not unless you think being 'slapped' or winning an argument is by calling someone a 'bitch' 'whiny bitch' or a 'little bitch' several times in one paragraph to any user he disagrees with, but you sound exactly like him now alleging nonsensical stuff you cannot back up and somehow have deluded yourself into thinking you're right. I think the comments you're resorting to now just sound like the deathrattles of someone who knows he's been defeaten or cannot further his argument so he's just trying to attack in whatever childish way he can. And I'm not sure exactly what softspots of mine have been exposed, but we all now know which yours are though. You should probably take your own advice from the parts that I've bolded as they apply to you. You've continually proven my point about the type of American you are just like Honeypot. You take criticism of America personally and it only ever hurts ignorant patriots and nationalists, but maybe we should just leave it there though because this isn't going to go anywhere. We can let others decide who's right and who's wrong here. 

[ReserviorHunt]

Yes...you have been slapped a few times now...it shows

From what I can see the only one here thinking they know what others think while they are slapping you around silly for jumping into a conversation clearly unprepared with nothing more than mouth and cheeky attitude.

Even this Honeypot guy makes more sense than you and you are just being a nagging effeminate hung over trying to get the last word in lol.

Also, don't make obvious attempts at trying to be clever and try to be less obvious about if you are butt hurt from other people's jabs at your soft spots...try to come up with with your own thing for a change.

You clearly have no understanding of how other people think, and even less of Americans or anyone else for that matter. Only thing sappier than the 'American Dream' is your idea about what you think you know...which you have little grasp of.

Nope. Not unless you think being 'slapped' or winning an argument is by calling someone a 'bitch' 'whiny bitch' or a 'little bitch' several times in one paragraph to any user he disagrees with, but you sound exactly like him now alleging nonsensical stuff you cannot back up and somehow have deluded yourself into thinking you're right. I think the comments you're resorting to now just sound like the deathrattles of someone who knows he's been defeaten or cannot further his argument so he's just trying to attack in whatever childish way he can. And I'm not sure exactly what softspots of mine have been exposed, but we all now know which yours are though. You should probably take your own advice from the parts that I've bolded as they apply to you. You've continually proven my point about the type of American you are just like Honeypot. You take criticism of America personally and it only ever hurts ignorant patriots and nationalists, but maybe we should just leave it there though because this isn't going to go anywhere. We can let others decide who's right and who's wrong here. 

Are you still thinking I am an American...lol.

You've been rambling on for a while now about how you think you defeated anyone when you are the one being called to the stand for not having any coherent arguments other than your attitude.

When presented with facts, you are clearly resorting to popularized misconceptions and insistance on politically biased fantasies while always trailing behind to get your last word in, just like you do after every argument that exposes your very transparent feelings.

'Winning' I think we all know who is barely 18 here. Personally, I don't think Honeypot is wrong in marking you as a 'bitch', if he in fact did so.