Bruce Wagner speaks about TradeHill

[Matthew N. Wright]

I'm sorry to bring up ghosts guys. Ordinarily I laugh maniacally in private at the circle-jerk newsletter I subscribed to on google that Bruce moderates to keep out Bold Funding scam evidence, or just post it to skype friends, but this little gem today was too good to keep to myself.

   Bruce Wagner <bruce@onlyonetv.com> Feb 13 08:16PM -0500  

    https://www.tradehill.com
    
    
    Best regards,
    
    Only Love,
    
    Bruce
    
    Bruce Wagner
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Adam Levine <adamlevinemobile@gmail.com> Feb 13 06:15PM -0800  

Sounds like we have our answer to how The Powers That Be would respond:
They are taking the embargo route.
 
If this trend continues we can expect another blow to the value - What do
you think Bruce, this going to be a big hit?
 
Adam Levine

Bruce Wagner <bruce@onlyonetv.com> Feb 14 07:01AM -0500  

    It's already taking a toll. It's down in the $4 range now... whereas it's
    been in the $6 range.
    
    I think the field is certainly ripe for more exchanges to appear on the
    scene.
    
    If only they knew how to Market themselves, they'd have massive volume. (
    i.e. advertise on The Bitcoin Show).
    
    MtGox gets massive exposure due in part to my own PR. I always
    demonstrate MtGox when interviewed on television, etc. Other competing
    exchanges don't have a chance without a real PR machine behind them....
    like me. :-)
    
    At least TradeHill was smart to sponsor The Bitcoin Show for a while, from
    launch day. They quickly grabbed 10-14% market share from MtGox. But
    then they dropped their advertising and began loosing what they had
    gained.
    
    All the other exchanges are stillborn, at this point, having never
    advertised at all.
    
    
    
    
    Best regards,
    
    Only Love,
    
    Bruce
    
    Bruce Wagner
    OnlyOneTV | global television network
    http://OnlyOneTV.com
    +1 646-580-0022
    
    say no to a thousand things - focus on only one

    

 If only they knew how to Market themselves, they'd have massive volume. (
    i.e. advertise on The Bitcoin Show).

 If only they knew how to Market themselves, they'd have massive volume. (
    i.e. advertise on The Bitcoin Show).


 If only they knew how to Market themselves, they'd have massive volume. (
    i.e. advertise on The Bitcoin Show).


 If only they knew how to Market themselves, they'd have massive volume. (
    i.e. advertise on The Bitcoin Show).

You heard it hear first children. Bruce could have saved Tradehill single-handedly.


TL;DR:

Bruce is as delusional as always. Move along.

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[Phinnaeus Gage]

So, what you're saying is that once I get the Satoshi cocktail perfected, I should market it on OnlyOneTV?

[finway]

Troll.

[Sukrim]

To be honest, he has a valid point - Bitcoin exchanges currently do hardly any advertising at all.
Of course he'll list his own show as example for an advertising platform, just as anyone in their right mind would do... I rather rarely hear Google talking about web search engines in a positive context while stating "i.e. Microsoft bing".

I don't think tradehill fainted (it's not dead yet!) because of not enough marketing though, as most other exchanges they probably even just lack the manpower to deal with a massive influx of customers.

[RaggedMonk]

Anything associated with Bruce Wagner I will avoid if possible.  

Advertising on his show is a horrible branding move. "Endorsed by a convicted fraudster, so you know it's good!"

What a pompous schmuck.

[teflone]

What an Asshat...

His head is so far up his ass its amazing to see a level like that...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Looks like http://bitcoinme.com/index.php/shop/ is taking a page right out from bitcoin.org by linking Bitcoin on Craigslist to https://www.google.com/search?q=bitcoin+site%3Acraigslist.org&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

[Portnoy]

Anything associated with Bruce Wagner I will avoid if possible.  

Advertising on his show is a horrible branding move. "Endorsed by a convicted fraudster, so you know it's good!"

What a pompous schmuck.

+1 

The only reason I would ever watch his "The Bitcoin Show" would be to see who I should avoid doing business with... and hopefully the sponsors would be listed in the first few seconds so I could avoid watching the whole thing.   

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Anything associated with Bruce Wagner I will avoid if possible.  

Advertising on his show is a horrible branding move. "Endorsed by a convicted fraudster, so you know it's good!"

What a pompous schmuck.

+1 

The only reason I would ever watch his "The Bitcoin Show" would be to see who I should avoid doing business with... and hopefully the sponsors would be listed in the first few seconds so I could avoid watching the whole thing.   

You're in luck! The sponsors are always listed within the first few seconds prior to the airing of the show.

[Desolator]

Yes, I'm sure MORE trade volume would have helped tradehill.  What, does that dumbass think they went out of business or something?  They need a license to do more than XX amount of trades in California so some of their banks shut down some of their accounts (again).  I don't think more trade volume would have helped, it would have actually made this happen sooner.  What a dumbass.  I should buy advertising space on his show to bash him with.

Also, OP is a hater.

[Fluttershy]

Tradehill was advertised on his show. Tradehill is now out of business. Coincidence? Yes.

[stochastic]

To be honest, he has a valid point - Bitcoin exchanges currently do hardly any advertising at all.
Of course he'll list his own show as example for an advertising platform, just as anyone in their right mind would do... I rather rarely hear Google talking about web search engines in a positive context while stating "i.e. Microsoft bing".

I don't think tradehill fainted (it's not dead yet!) because of not enough marketing though, as most other exchanges they probably even just lack the manpower to deal with a massive influx of customers.

I see ads for CryptoXchange on so many bitcoin related websites.  People use Mtgox because they have the volume and their websites don't look as ghetto.   Bitcoinica has the sleekest design IMO.

[Mjbmonetarymetals]

I don't know why Tom gets such a hard time 

[Portnoy]

Also, OP is a hater.

And you say that with the utmost love and respect no doubt.   

I don't know why Tom gets such a hard time...

 

[Matthew N. Wright]

Also, OP is a hater.

I'm no hater of homosexuals, con-artists, self-importants or even convicted scammers. I am a hater of two things though-- cowards, and those who downplay the importance of their interview guests to try to make themselves seem more important.

I also hate rainbows.

[tvbcof]

Bruce is half right half wrong in my case.

I started using Tradehill in part because Mt. Gox was down with their hack, but also kept using them because the initial Tradehill interview on his show, and follow-up after the Dwolla fiasco was fairly impressive.  As much as anything I just thought that the Bitcoin ecosystem would be better off with more than one exchange (and Tradehill was a great place from a buyer's perspective back in the day.)

One of the reasons I did not ever (yet) use Mt. Gox was that they continued to sponsor Bruce after it became known that he is a convicted scam artist.

Anyway I've got my space in the block-chain and have not bought or sold BTC for many months.  Nor do I have any immediate plans to do either.  We'll see if Tradehill comes up with my funds which I just requested back.  If I were a betting man, I would bet that they do, but time will tell.  Bruce had me pretty well fooled so I have not much confidence in my judge of character these days.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Bruce is half right half wrong in my case.

I started using Tradehill in part because Mt. Gox was down with their hack, but also kept using them because the initial Tradehill interview on his show, and follow-up after the Dwolla fiasco was fairly impressive.  As much as anything I just thought that the Bitcoin ecosystem would be better off with more than one exchange (and Tradehill was a great place from a buyer's perspective back in the day.)

One of the reasons I did not ever (yet) use Mt. Gox was that they continued to sponsor Bruce after it became known that he is a convicted scam artist.

Anyway I've got my space in the block-chain and have not bought or sold BTC for many months.  Nor do I have any immediate plans to do either.  We'll see if Tradehill comes up with my funds which I just requested back.  If I were a betting man, I would bet that they do, but time will tell.  Bruce had me pretty well fooled so I have not much confidence in my judge of character these days.

Does anyone else find it amusing that “back in the day” is like six-eight months ago? LOL

Brucy is a genius really. He tried real crime and discovered that silly little things like regulatory agencies and legal systems can actually affect his ability to stay in business. I bet an actual light bulb flashed above the guys head when he thought to himself, “Hey, this Bitcoin thing isn’t regulated or under the legal purview of any government agency! PERFECT!

It's even better if you lover is able to do the same with a Third World country. ¡PERFECTO!

[Tuxavant]

I gotta say, I've had dinner several times with Bruce and lots of one-on-one conversations. While I can't speak to his past suspected transgressions, he is a true believer and faithful advocate of Bitcoin and I respect him for that.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I gotta say, I've had dinner several times with Bruce and lots of one-on-one conversations. While I can't speak to his past suspected transgressions, he is a true believer and faithful advocate of Bitcoin and I respect him for that.

And I respect you for letting us know that, something we didn't know or didn't/don't want to believe that of him. Sometimes, it's easy to continue kicking at a guy for no reason at all, except for a few LOL's. I'm almost 52 years old, and should know better. Thank you, Tuxavant, for putting this back into perspective.

~Bruno~

[Matthew N. Wright]

I gotta say, I've had dinner several times with Bruce and lots of one-on-one conversations. While I can't speak to his past suspected transgressions, he is a true believer and faithful advocate of Bitcoin and I respect him for that.

And I respect you for letting us know that, something we didn't know or didn't/don't want to believe that of him. Sometimes, it's easy to continue kicking at a guy for no reason at all, except for a few LOL's. I'm almost 52 years old, and should know better. Thank you, Tuxavant, for putting this back into perspective.

~Bruno~

Self-important scam artists are always sincere.

I have talked with Bruce when he was here in Japan as well and he sounded very serious about succeeding, having fun, and above all, completely ignoring everyone with a concern about his plans. He was also very careful to paint himself as a celebrity telling me how children recognize him in New York and how that's what he cares about most. I never doubt this for a second, nor do I doubt after talking with him in great lengths about how to do damage control on his bashed public image that his refusal to respond to inquiries, lies, and eventual going into hiding was nothing more than protecting himself.

[Tuxavant]

You seem like a nice guy, please read this: http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm

My favorate part: "new technologies and laws give con artists the opportunity to create original scams." LOL

And as a counter, I might offer you this advise: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I'm not saying Bruce is an enemy of mine by any means. But if you suspect someone is capable of defrauding you, your guard should already be up. It's the people you dont know that are fraudsters that should worry you the most. My relationship with Bruce centers on discussions surrounding Bitcoin and it's amazing potential to change the world for the better. And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

[tvbcof]

I gotta say, I've had dinner several times with Bruce and lots of one-on-one conversations. While I can't speak to his past suspected transgressions, he is a true believer and faithful advocate of Bitcoin and I respect him for that.

I'd be even more of a true believer in Bitcoin than I am if I could amass 25k of them while shirking the responsibility for paying back the $500,000.00 that I ripped off from distressed mortgage holders and stay out of jail in the process.

I might have a shred of respect for Bruce when he voluntarily makes some effort to help those who he ripped off...particularly because it was people who could least afford to be ripped off so it seems.

I have to thank Bruce for opening my eyes to the fact that anyone who is a true believer in Bitcoin has some reason to be.  Seems obvious in retrospect but I did not ponder the concept enough at the outset of my interest in the subject.

[Matthew N. Wright]

You seem like a nice guy, please read this: http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm

My favorate part: "new technologies and laws give con artists the opportunity to create original scams." LOL

And as a counter, I might offer you this advise: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I'm not saying Bruce is an enemy of mine by any means. But if you suspect someone is capable of defrauding you, your guard should already be up. It's the people you dont know that are fraudsters that should worry you the most. My relationship with Bruce centers on discussions surrounding Bitcoin and it's amazing potential to change the world for the better. And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

I like you so I'll be gentle and just respond to this with one word: Pattaya.

[RaggedMonk]

And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

Someone who has been convicted of fraud and evangelizes the sex trade is not a good spokesperson for Bitcoin.  That is what he wants to be, and even if he is a complete angel now, he will hurt the brand. 

He should be ostracized.

[Shuai]

And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

Someone who has been convicted of fraud and evangelizes the sex trade is not a good spokesperson for Bitcoin.  That is what he wants to be, and even if he is a complete angel now, he will hurt the brand. 

He should be ostracized.

Sex trade is pretty awesome. Lets leave that out of here.

Fraud, on the other hand, sucks.

[Raoul Duke]

I hope your right but I worry that it’s the innocent (and possibly underage) people that are just getting into Bitcoin that will be his prey.  

Well, the one that recorded furries fucking in a toy house was you...

[stochastic]

And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

Someone who has been convicted of fraud and evangelizes the sex trade is not a good spokesperson for Bitcoin.  That is what he wants to be, and even if he is a complete angel now, he will hurt the brand. 

He should be ostracized.

I thought it was only a civil court order.  I don't see what the sex trade has anything to do with with being a spokesperson.  Pornography will probably be one of the biggest uses of bitcoins in the future, why ostracize a a very profitable industry?

[cryptoanarchist]

I always thought the guy came off as nervous and weak. I wouldn't want to tie my company to him.

[Matthew N. Wright]

And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

Someone who has been convicted of fraud and evangelizes the sex trade is not a good spokesperson for Bitcoin.  That is what he wants to be, and even if he is a complete angel now, he will hurt the brand.  

He should be ostracized.

I thought it was only a civil court order.  I don't see what the sex trade has anything to do with with being a spokesperson.  Pornography will probably be one of the biggest uses of bitcoins in the future, why ostracize a a very profitable industry?

It does when he is an avid preacher of how silky smooth and hot young Pattayan boys are and how you should tip them after screwing them.


"Sex trade" does not mean "adult entertainment industry". It means "prostitution".

I hope your right but I worry that it’s the innocent (and possibly underage) people that are just getting into Bitcoin that will be his prey. 

Well, the one that recorded furries fucking in a toy house was you...

Hey! That was me! How dare you give credit to someone else. 

[Rassah]

I also hate rainbows.

*RAGE*

It does when he is an avid preacher of how silky smooth and hot young Pattayan boys are and how you should tip them after screwing them.

Are you saying that Pattayan boys are rough and ugly, and don't deserve tips for their hard working services?


BTW, to be fair, his shows have 10,000 to 20,000 views each. That's a pretty sizeable chunk of the Bitcoin community. Either most of his viewers don't know about his background, or they don't care, so advertising with him still makes sense.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I also hate rainbows.

*RAGE*

It does when he is an avid preacher of how silky smooth and hot young Pattayan boys are and how you should tip them after screwing them.

Are you saying that Pattayan boys are rough and ugly, and don't deserve tips for their hard working services?


BTW, to be fair, his shows have 10,000 to 20,000 views each. That's a pretty sizeable chunk of the Bitcoin community. Either most of his viewers don't know about his background, or they don't care, so advertising with him still makes sense.

And to be even more fair, his viewers don't necessarily like him when they watch to see how he will ignore his next guests. I am pretty sure when Vicente and I were throwing back popcorn watching the last fail parade we weren't doing so as 'fans'.

Also, all of his 'sponsors' are people who has personally befriended or just wants to be associated with. He put Roger's MemoryDealers logo as a sponsor once without any consent from Roger (or sponsorship!). I wouldn't put much stock in his advertisers knowing anything about Bitcoin other than what Bruce has told them (which was probably something like "They worship me".)

P.S. In my defense, rainbows remind me of that time God tried to kill me with a giant flood. It sucked and my shoes were soaked.

[Raoul Duke]

I hope your right but I worry that it’s the innocent (and possibly underage) people that are just getting into Bitcoin that will be his prey.  

Well, the one that recorded furries fucking in a toy house was you...

 

Yeah!  Exactly my point!

[Matthew N. Wright]

I hope your right but I worry that it’s the innocent (and possibly underage) people that are just getting into Bitcoin that will be his prey.  

Well, the one that recorded furries fucking in a toy house was you...

 

Yeah!  Exactly my point!

What are you talking about?

I feel a pyramid coming on..

[RaggedMonk]

It does when he is an avid preacher of how silky smooth and hot young Pattayan boys are and how you should tip them after screwing them.

"Sex trade" does not mean "adult entertainment industry". It means "prostitution".

This.

[teflone]

You seem like a nice guy, please read this: http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm

My favorate part: "new technologies and laws give con artists the opportunity to create original scams." LOL

And as a counter, I might offer you this advise: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I'm not saying Bruce is an enemy of mine by any means. But if you suspect someone is capable of defrauding you, your guard should already be up. It's the people you dont know that are fraudsters that should worry you the most. My relationship with Bruce centers on discussions surrounding Bitcoin and it's amazing potential to change the world for the better. And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

But how do you survive without Bruce Gayne advertising for you ?

[stochastic]

"Sex trade" does not mean "adult entertainment industry". It means "prostitution".

In some countries and some states in the USA there is not much difference between prostitution and pornography.  In some places, like Singapore, prostitution is legal while pornography is illegal.

I have never watched his show so I don't care one way or the other.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

You seem like a nice guy, please read this: http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm

My favorate part: "new technologies and laws give con artists the opportunity to create original scams." LOL

And as a counter, I might offer you this advise: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I'm not saying Bruce is an enemy of mine by any means. But if you suspect someone is capable of defrauding you, your guard should already be up. It's the people you dont know that are fraudsters that should worry you the most. My relationship with Bruce centers on discussions surrounding Bitcoin and it's amazing potential to change the world for the better. And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

But how do you survive without Bruce Gayne advertising for you?

Herein lies your answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xBIVlM435Zg#t=155s

[teflone]

You seem like a nice guy, please read this: http://money.howstuffworks.com/con-artist.htm

My favorate part: "new technologies and laws give con artists the opportunity to create original scams." LOL

And as a counter, I might offer you this advise: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I'm not saying Bruce is an enemy of mine by any means. But if you suspect someone is capable of defrauding you, your guard should already be up. It's the people you dont know that are fraudsters that should worry you the most. My relationship with Bruce centers on discussions surrounding Bitcoin and it's amazing potential to change the world for the better. And in that regard, I have faith in him to promote Bitcoin with all of our best interest in mind.

But how do you survive without Bruce Gayne advertising for you?

Herein lies your answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xBIVlM435Zg#t=155s

I remember a day when people actually responded with letters..

And on another note, Im not shutting down my miners just to watch a youtube video...

Bruno, you gotta check your market for your responses.. hahahha

These videos cost me money to watch now!


PS ya I freakin watched it, you owe me 2 bitcents.. 

[smoothie]

I agree with the concept Bruce stated but I don't agree with the self promoted commercial in his own statement. It just makes him look even more ridiculous.

[speedybugsy]

Tradehill....

you should've never called yourself a hill when the market leader already was a mountain.


I mean...

[RaggedMonk]

Tradehill....

you should've never called yourself a hill when the market leader already was a mountain.

I mean...