[ANN] AEON: Scalable, private, mobile-friendly cryptocurrency

[stoffu]

Speaking of mining, is anybody looking at porting the Monero p2pool to aeon? It would likely work even better here given the verification-friendly PoW, lower barrier to running a node, etc.

Interesting, I haven't been following those recent developments.

Unfortunately, it seems to use some relatively recent functionality related to ZMQ and I think porting the changes to the aeon code (which is far behind monero) is rather difficult.

https://github.com/SChernykh/monero/commit/dfee15eee18a97be5a8fb9822527f98ebd1b33e9

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[smooth]

Speaking of mining, is anybody looking at porting the Monero p2pool to aeon? It would likely work even better here given the verification-friendly PoW, lower barrier to running a node, etc.

Interesting, I haven't been following those recent developments.

Unfortunately, it seems to use some relatively recent functionality related to ZMQ and I think porting the changes to the aeon code (which is far behind monero) is rather difficult.

https://github.com/SChernykh/monero/commit/dfee15eee18a97be5a8fb9822527f98ebd1b33e9

Hmm, that didn't look so complicated, it's adding a few requests, right?

Are we missing ZMQ altogether or something?

[stoffu]

Speaking of mining, is anybody looking at porting the Monero p2pool to aeon? It would likely work even better here given the verification-friendly PoW, lower barrier to running a node, etc.

Interesting, I haven't been following those recent developments.

Unfortunately, it seems to use some relatively recent functionality related to ZMQ and I think porting the changes to the aeon code (which is far behind monero) is rather difficult.

https://github.com/SChernykh/monero/commit/dfee15eee18a97be5a8fb9822527f98ebd1b33e9

Hmm, that didn't look so complicated, it's adding a few requests, right?

Are we missing ZMQ altogether or something?

First of all, I'm not knowledgeable about networking protocols including ZMQ. The aeon codebase currently has zmq_server.cpp/h, so I think there is some kind of ZMQ functionality, but the above monero code makes changes to zmq_pub.cpp/h which doesn't exist in aeon yet. If we were to adopt the code, we'd first need to merge any relevant upstream patches that eventually introduce zmq_pub.cpp/h. I imagine there will be lots of merge conflicts while cherry picking those commits out of order compared to monero.

Currently the P2Pool in monero has less than 3% of the total hashrate - the network is still dominated by large pools. I don't see much value in enabling P2Pool for aeon right now when the adoption is so low. I imagine the usage of it to be very low unless aeon mining becomes extremely popular.

[tomato5040]

In a PM between me and dnaleor he suggest Litenote as a new name for AEON, I think it sounds much better and considering the "lite" new POW it could be a strategic marketing move.

It's indeed something I thought about, let me explain it a bit more:

AEON wants to have a more "lightweight" approach with pruning, lighter mining algorithm, running nodes on smartphones, etc.

Furthermore, I see AEON as "the little brother" of XMR. It's possible that AEON can become an important factor in testing new features that can eventually be transferred to XMR. And there is even more, smooth is a dev of both coins.
If we use the 'lite' brand, we ride on the notion of litecoin being "the silvers to bitcoin's gold". If we adopt this new name, the coin would be immediately associated with being "the silver to cryptonote/XMR gold"

This positions the coin in the right place imho. So the 'lite' brand has 2 meanings: 'lightweight' and 'silver'.
There is a new dev team now, so rebranding AEON to Litenote (XLN) might be a good idea.

It's just an idea, don't know what others think about it.

Litenote: What a fantastic name. Bravo goodsir! 

[tomato5040]

In a PM between me and dnaleor he suggest Litenote as a new name for AEON, I think it sounds much better and considering the "lite" new POW it could be a strategic marketing move.

It's indeed something I thought about, let me explain it a bit more:

AEON wants to have a more "lightweight" approach with pruning, lighter mining algorithm, running nodes on smartphones, etc.

Furthermore, I see AEON as "the little brother" of XMR. It's possible that AEON can become an important factor in testing new features that can eventually be transferred to XMR. And there is even more, smooth is a dev of both coins.
If we use the 'lite' brand, we ride on the notion of litecoin being "the silvers to bitcoin's gold". If we adopt this new name, the coin would be immediately associated with being "the silver to cryptonote/XMR gold"

This positions the coin in the right place imho. So the 'lite' brand has 2 meanings: 'lightweight' and 'silver'.
There is a new dev team now, so rebranding AEON to Litenote (XLN) might be a good idea.

It's just an idea, don't know what others think about it.

Litenote: What a fantastic name. Bravo goodsir! 

You see? The shirt matches the pants. What do I mean by the shirt matches the pants? Look at Aeon, it is a name for a long slow epoch. Not a great name for a light quick monetary system.. Sounds more like a good name for retirement invesment company. You got to have the name match the brand. Aeon is a meaningless name and accomplishes nothing in terms of marketing. Litenote captures the spirit and mission of the project, thats why the shirt matches the pants.

[tomato5040]

See look I even made a dinky logo for you.  https://imgur.com/gXyZRyA

[estenity]

See look I even made a dinky logo for you.  https://imgur.com/gXyZRyA

rebranding may be a good idea, to be discussed.

[smooth]

zmq_pub.cpp/h which doesn't exist in aeon yet

Okay makes sense there is a significant gap there.

Currently the P2Pool in monero has less than 3% of the total hashrate - the network is still dominated by large pools. I don't see much value in enabling P2Pool for aeon right now when the adoption is so low. I imagine the usage of it to be very low unless aeon mining becomes extremely popular.

I think it's kind of valuable to have in place as a "break glass" option even if not currently heavily used. Centralized pools are a liability, perhaps not an urgent one for any coin though. Atomic swaps are similar BTW. I suspect hardly used (and may never be) but big increase in robustness for that option to be there.

[estenity]

it has been told that aeon is partially integrated in cakewallet (on ios version)
wouldn't be useful to achieve it on other systems ?

[tomato5040]

The next evolution of aeon branding.

https://imgur.com/PFh8CRy

Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/qq5807/the_next_evolution_of_aeon_branding/

[aeonverse]

After being ignored and told to leave multiple times for making simple contributions to the aeonix project, I am launching a new initiative named aeonverse. The aeonverse is a virtual community and economy all revolving around its native cryptocurrency. We need your help to pioneer this grassroots, digital movement. For now we are based on the github https://github.com/aeonverse . The new GUI based on the latest monero version will be launching in the coming days. There is also a proposal system being created for making changes to the aeonverse society at every level. https://github.com/aeonverse/aeon-proposals https://i.imgur.com/Kweaeo7.png

[aeonverse]

The new $aeon-gui and $aeon-cli are ready for release 0.14.2.0. Please publish your binaries with hashes.

https://github.com/aeonverse
https://twitter.com/the_aeonverse/status/1459527977021100038
https://www.reddit.com/r/aeonverse/comments/qt29x7/the_new_aeongui_and_aeoncli_are_ready_for_release/
https://discord.gg/GzA77tQM

[smooth]

Download third party binaries or use third party software with caution at your own risk. It may work fine, it may not.

The official source for AEON software and binaries is in the OP of this thread as well as https://github.com/aeonix/aeon or https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui

[aeonverse]

The same can be said for the "official" binaries.

https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui/issues/56
https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui/issues/50
https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui/issues/41

By the way, you lose all respect when you illegitimately claim yourself as official.


Please compare

https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui/graphs/contributors

https://github.com/aeonverse/aeon-gui/graphs/contributors

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[passivist]

In my opinion the official source for AEON software and binaries is the one that smooth told:
https://github.com/aeonix/aeon or https://github.com/aeonix/aeon-gui

This is the source I use for months. smooth did not claim himself as official, but the source. You, aeonverse, as an aggressor, have not my trust.

[aeonverse]

Very sorry, it is easy to get aggressive on these faceless internet forums. I am angered from being ignored and told to leave when I am only asking for them to maintain the project like they promise. It is a simple copy and paste from monero. Now I cannot express myself sincerely so I will move on from this forum.

[bigslimvdub]

Very sorry, it is easy to get aggressive on these faceless internet forums. I am angered from being ignored and told to leave when I am only asking for them to maintain the project like they promise. It is a simple copy and paste from monero. Now I cannot express myself sincerely so I will move on from this forum.

You are not ignored.

You just don’t have the approval for all of your ideas by the one person who owns the keys to the aeon project.

If the community approves them (whatever is left of that in 2021) and smooth as well then they get integrated. Technical discussion is more than acceptable however you MUST prove your point as being the more logical decision, even if it takes 6 months to convince anyone. Aeon isn’t some agile crypto project. Slow and steady wins the race sometimes.

[bigslimvdub]

it has been told that aeon is partially integrated in cakewallet (on ios version)
wouldn't be useful to achieve it on other systems ?

Cakewallet wants to focus on generating income first. Once established Vik is ready to expand (including other viable projects like wownero and aeon).

FYI their codebase is fully open source and can be easily integrated into Aeon if aeon can incorporate and provide a paid developers account. Without that apple won’t let it on the iOS store.

I’m 99.9999% sure smooth and stoffu will not use themselves as a persons for a dev account linked to the aeon iOS wallet.

[bigslimvdub]

Speaking of mining, is anybody looking at porting the Monero p2pool to aeon? It would likely work even better here given the verification-friendly PoW, lower barrier to running a node, etc.

Interesting, I haven't been following those recent developments.

Unfortunately, it seems to use some relatively recent functionality related to ZMQ and I think porting the changes to the aeon code (which is far behind monero) is rather difficult.

https://github.com/SChernykh/monero/commit/dfee15eee18a97be5a8fb9822527f98ebd1b33e9

Hmm, that didn't look so complicated, it's adding a few requests, right?

Are we missing ZMQ altogether or something?

First of all, I'm not knowledgeable about networking protocols including ZMQ. The aeon codebase currently has zmq_server.cpp/h, so I think there is some kind of ZMQ functionality, but the above monero code makes changes to zmq_pub.cpp/h which doesn't exist in aeon yet. If we were to adopt the code, we'd first need to merge any relevant upstream patches that eventually introduce zmq_pub.cpp/h. I imagine there will be lots of merge conflicts while cherry picking those commits out of order compared to monero.

Currently the P2Pool in monero has less than 3% of the total hashrate - the network is still dominated by large pools. I don't see much value in enabling P2Pool for aeon right now when the adoption is so low. I imagine the usage of it to be very low unless aeon mining becomes extremely popular.

Zmq port is a pain in the ass but man does it run quick once implemented. You can have a fully zmq database with a full port. It will also break the QT gui so support will need to be added there. IMO not really needed unless you guys want a fully js wallet (AeonLW) and or want to support js pool software. I am not sure I have plans to continue support for js wallet on aeon since it needs a major overhaul (total rewrite of vue files and other) to electron v13+ for arm support and major security updates (v8+).

FYI apple silicon still waiting for a fully native ZMQ arm library which is, sort of needed going forward from 2022 for apple. Brew has it but it’s somewhat patched to work on arm and it does work to build monero current master. Iirc i remember seeing it is also needed for ledger but not sure as I don’t use ledger at all, not even on monero.

[aeonverse]

Very sorry, it is easy to get aggressive on these faceless internet forums. I am angered from being ignored and told to leave when I am only asking for them to maintain the project like they promise. It is a simple copy and paste from monero. Now I cannot express myself sincerely so I will move on from this forum.

You are not ignored.

You just don’t have the approval for all of your ideas by the one person who owns the keys to the aeon project.

If the community approves them (whatever is left of that in 2021) and smooth as well then they get integrated. Technical discussion is more than acceptable however you MUST prove your point as being the more logical decision, even if it takes 6 months to convince anyone. Aeon isn’t some agile crypto project. Slow and steady wins the race sometimes.

You're right bigslim. They did censor the introduction post on reddit but now it is revisible which is very kind of them. https://www.reddit.com/r/Aeon/comments/qroc65/welcome_to_the_aeonverse/