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March 10, 2012, 05:33:50 AM
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And we have the first simulation of single namespace running with graphs!

It includes dynamics graphs of:
* Domain price
* Block solving time
* Miners profit
* Number of handled transactions

Please follow: http://dianna-project.org/wiki/Calc_1

It illustrates how DIANNA looks for correct fee value and transaction commit time depending on namespace activity.
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March 10, 2012, 08:54:15 AM
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Also, immitation of Bitcoin block reward change from 50 to 25 BTC.

How this will affect on DIANNA price?

In a region of step 30000 change bounty to 25.

Code:
bounty=50.0

for z1 in range(1, last):
    if z1 == 30000:
        bounty=25
#bla-bla
    pdiff = domfee/(bounty + bitcom)

What happens with price?



Note, the price graph is based on example simulations. For real activity price can be different, but it is explicitely linked to network activity, so it has a feedback, so it will change to community expectations.
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March 11, 2012, 02:48:12 AM
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Any answer to this?
DIANNA Blocks are going to be WAY slower than bitcoin blocks.  Even if half (which is probably a high guess) of the bitcoin network merge mines DIANNA, won't block time be worse than 20 minutes?  Is this what you want? Maybe I'm just missing something.

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March 11, 2012, 04:52:16 AM
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Any answer to this?
DIANNA Blocks are going to be WAY slower than bitcoin blocks.  Even if half (which is probably a high guess) of the bitcoin network merge mines DIANNA, won't block time be worse than 20 minutes?  Is this what you want? Maybe I'm just missing something.

Every namespace will have its own block appear time and yes, it will be higher than Bitcoin, as namespace will have always a bit higher difficulty than bitcoin.

For example, users of potentional CJDNS namespace will be not so active as users of I2P, or users of Tor namespace. All them have their optimal activity and network adjusts block frequency and price to this activity.

DIANNA is a domain system, not financial. I don't see problem of transaction approve time from 20 minutes to a hour.

Modern ICANN domain registars process domain request from minutes to days.
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March 11, 2012, 04:56:04 AM
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It takes up to 24 hours for current DNS changes to go through and propagate. I don't think a delay with DIANNA will be an issue.

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March 15, 2012, 10:17:04 PM
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^^ like

http://www.ip-watch.org/2011/10/25/us-to-seek-bids-to-manage-key-aspect-of-the-internet/  just came across this which is interesting.

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March 15, 2012, 10:23:46 PM
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Yes, they will not settle down until ICANN not submit its authority to feds.

I have opened a forum for futher conversations so far .

http://dianna-project.org/forum/

For a near weeks unfortunately I dont have enough time for this project. I definately need contributors.

The whole idea got its own form now in wiki. It is time to start coding.
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March 23, 2012, 07:14:27 PM
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Have you thought of creating the block chain so it only exists inside the I2P network for better anonymity or is this not possible  Huh

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March 23, 2012, 07:19:27 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP
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March 23, 2012, 07:34:12 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP

Then it would be totally anonymous if the blockchain only existed inside the I2P network.  The problem with Tor is you have to rely on a certain number of output nodes which could all/most be monitored and also blocked.

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March 23, 2012, 07:49:28 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP

Then it would be totally anonymous if the blockchain only existed inside the I2P network.  The problem with Tor is you have to rely on a certain number of output nodes which could all/most be monitored and also blocked.
I'm sure that there will always be TOR exit nodes somewhere in the world that aren't blocked from accessing the DIANNA blockchain. 

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March 23, 2012, 07:53:35 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP

Then it would be totally anonymous if the blockchain only existed inside the I2P network.  The problem with Tor is you have to rely on a certain number of output nodes which could all/most be monitored and also blocked.
I'm sure that there will always be TOR exit nodes somewhere in the world that aren't blocked from accessing the DIANNA blockchain. 

I just don't like Tor as the only reason it went public because it makes the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in.  I'm not a expert but I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a smart idea.

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March 23, 2012, 08:02:34 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP

Then it would be totally anonymous if the blockchain only existed inside the I2P network.  The problem with Tor is you have to rely on a certain number of output nodes which could all/most be monitored and also blocked.
I'm sure that there will always be TOR exit nodes somewhere in the world that aren't blocked from accessing the DIANNA blockchain. 

I just don't like Tor as the only reason it went public because it makes the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in.  I'm not a expert but I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a smart idea.
Ok. But then you limit it's availability. If you are concerned about being anonymous you could access the registrar using I2P and do the DIANNA lookups with I2P. I'm sure sites will pop up allowing you to access DIANNA through I2P, TOR, and just the regular old web.

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March 23, 2012, 08:17:11 PM
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If I do this, I automatically make this DNS closed to other anonymous networks, as they will require i2p router to run. The DNS client must be light.

However it is possible to add i2p BOB transport protocol as additional layer along with TCP/IP

Then it would be totally anonymous if the blockchain only existed inside the I2P network.  The problem with Tor is you have to rely on a certain number of output nodes which could all/most be monitored and also blocked.
I'm sure that there will always be TOR exit nodes somewhere in the world that aren't blocked from accessing the DIANNA blockchain. 

I just don't like Tor as the only reason it went public because it makes the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in.  I'm not a expert but I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a smart idea.
Ok. But then you limit it's availability. If you are concerned about being anonymous you could access the registrar using I2P and do the DIANNA lookups with I2P. I'm sure sites will pop up allowing you to access DIANNA through I2P, TOR, and just the regular old web.

Check who is the biggest sponsor of Tor - https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en - The US government and taken from the official Tor homepage - Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications - All Tor traffic exits through a number of public nodes which are all known. These nodes could all be/being monitored and blocked.
Like I said I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a good idea as all Tor traffic is probably monitored and could be stopped by the US government.  The only reason they let it exist is to make the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in. 

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March 23, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
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Check who is the biggest sponsor of Tor - https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en - The US government and taken from the official Tor homepage - Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications - All Tor traffic exits through a number of public nodes which are all known. These nodes could all be/being monitored and blocked.
Like I said I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a good idea as all Tor traffic is probably monitored and could be stopped by the US government.  The only reason they let it exist is to make the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in. 
Looks like their child brought a lot of problems like Silk Road =)

There is no sense to make Tor/I2P transport layer to commucate to TCP/IP through it via out proxies at all.

Anyway, I need to get it work over TCP/IP first.
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March 23, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
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Check who is the biggest sponsor of Tor - https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en - The US government and taken from the official Tor homepage - Tor was originally designed, implemented, and deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory. It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications - All Tor traffic exits through a number of public nodes which are all known. These nodes could all be/being monitored and blocked.
Like I said I think a blockchain that solely exists inside the I2P network is a good idea as all Tor traffic is probably monitored and could be stopped by the US government.  The only reason they let it exist is to make the CIA darknet bigger for them to hide in. 
Looks like their child brought a lot of problems like Silk Road =)

There is no sense to make Tor/I2P transport layer to commucate to TCP/IP through it via out proxies at all.

Anyway, I need to get it work over TCP/IP first.

Like I said I only think the US let their creation public and continue is to grow their own darknet to make it easier for them to hide in.  They could monitor all exit nodes and they could block them all so I don't think Tor can be relied on long-term to hide in the internet but a blockchain that solely exists within the I2P network would be a very robust way to hide your mining, transactions and wealth.  As I don't think Tor can be relied on to access your bitcoins anonymously so a I2P alternative would offer complete anonymity as I don't know a way to connect to the bitcoin blockchain from I2P apart from a proxy (again which could be monitored and blocked) only using Tor.

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March 23, 2012, 09:36:37 PM
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The websites your going to create DNS for hidden from censorship 'ect.' I think it makes sense to include them within the network.  If it won't work for Tor create a public blockchain for it(which shows its weakness) and a hidden blockchain within the I2P for that network.  If the SilkRoad got massive or this new 'Armoury' Tor site did or alt-currencies got massive and the US tried to block them but people were still using them via Tor the US could and would pull the plug on Tor if the thorn in their side got to big.  So if alt-currencies were outlawed and they also pulled the plug on Tor it would be very difficult for alt-currencies to be usefull but a block chain within I2P could still be used if people could get access to the I2P client because apart from outlawing encrypted web-traffic I see no way of stopping I2P unless they monitored a persons internet traffic.  You see with Tor they only have to monitor/block the output nodes which would be easier for them to find then monitoring every persons internet traffic for I2P traffic.  I think they would find it hard to ban Tor or I2P but to stop Tor it would easier (like I said they like a large Tor network for the CIA to better hide in) than I2P.  So an alt-currency within I2P could end up the only alt-currency if the likes of bitcoin got massive and the governments thought they were loosing too much tax.       

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March 24, 2012, 12:11:14 AM
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The websites your going to create DNS for hidden from censorship 'ect.' I think it makes sense to include them within the network.  If it won't work for Tor create a public blockchain for it(which shows its weakness) and a hidden blockchain within the I2P for that network.  If the SilkRoad got massive or this new 'Armoury' Tor site did or alt-currencies got massive and the US tried to block them but people were still using them via Tor the US could and would pull the plug on Tor if the thorn in their side got to big.  So if alt-currencies were outlawed and they also pulled the plug on Tor it would be very difficult for alt-currencies to be usefull but a block chain within I2P could still be used if people could get access to the I2P client because apart from outlawing encrypted web-traffic I see no way of stopping I2P unless they monitored a persons internet traffic.  You see with Tor they only have to monitor/block the output nodes which would be easier for them to find then monitoring every persons internet traffic for I2P traffic.  I think they would find it hard to ban Tor or I2P but to stop Tor it would easier (like I said they like a large Tor network for the CIA to better hide in) than I2P.  So an alt-currency within I2P could end up the only alt-currency if the likes of bitcoin got massive and the governments thought they were loosing too much tax.       

Your assumption is that bitcoin tech (maybe not alt-currency offshoots) is not a CIA darknet project like Tor. Check your assumptions maybe?

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March 24, 2012, 12:31:54 AM
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The websites your going to create DNS for hidden from censorship 'ect.' I think it makes sense to include them within the network.  If it won't work for Tor create a public blockchain for it(which shows its weakness) and a hidden blockchain within the I2P for that network.  If the SilkRoad got massive or this new 'Armoury' Tor site did or alt-currencies got massive and the US tried to block them but people were still using them via Tor the US could and would pull the plug on Tor if the thorn in their side got to big.  So if alt-currencies were outlawed and they also pulled the plug on Tor it would be very difficult for alt-currencies to be usefull but a block chain within I2P could still be used if people could get access to the I2P client because apart from outlawing encrypted web-traffic I see no way of stopping I2P unless they monitored a persons internet traffic.  You see with Tor they only have to monitor/block the output nodes which would be easier for them to find then monitoring every persons internet traffic for I2P traffic.  I think they would find it hard to ban Tor or I2P but to stop Tor it would easier (like I said they like a large Tor network for the CIA to better hide in) than I2P.  So an alt-currency within I2P could end up the only alt-currency if the likes of bitcoin got massive and the governments thought they were loosing too much tax.       

Your assumption is that bitcoin tech (maybe not alt-currency offshoots) is not a CIA darknet project like Tor. Check your assumptions maybe?

Possibly but I don't want to get to into conspiracy theory's apart from I do think the US government could shutdown Tor and also outlaw bitcoin transactions.  Leaving me no way to access the bitcoin block chain anonymously but if there was a I2P network that would not be a problem.    To be honest my own conspiracy theory's regarding bitcoin creation are more due with 'A.I' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity  Grin

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March 25, 2012, 01:39:44 AM
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Moving forward =)

I started development repo and made some sketches in Java.

Details here:

http://dianna-project.org/forum/index.php/topic,11.0.html
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