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October 23, 2012, 03:27:04 PM
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Ok just an update, I was travelling for my day job for the past couple weeks. I'm back now, and have fulfilled all the claims requirement with GLBSE (as an issuer). I recommend everyone else do the same. Once the claims are made, we'll be able to see where things stand. Once I've received confirmation of everyones shares we'll decide how we're going to proceed going forward (without the exchange to facilitate).

I'm not sure how long the claims process will remain open. I'll try and get an answer out of Nefario about that.

I'll post more once I have more info.

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Asset list received from nefario. Travelling now will post more details later. See: forum.btcsyn.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1263 for more details.7

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Ok sorry for the delay due to my travel.

Here is a hash table of the share list as sent to me from Nefario so far:
It's in the format SHA256HASH,shares,SHA256HASH
The first hash is the email address as sent by nefario, the second hash is the bitcoin payout address as sent by nefario.

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TOTAL: 10315 / 12000

So far there is still 1685 shares unaccounted for.

I also have an "emergency" announcement. The server which I have been hosting most of BTCSYN on is being shut down soon. (in a matter of days). I can go into more detail later, but ultimately my employer subsidized a large portion of it with the terms I could use it for whatever I wanted (to facilitate some of my R&D activities. Some major restructuring has happened in the past month or so, and I just found out a couple days ago that they won't be renewing that contract. So I'm left to fend for myself, and it's an expensive server. So the server is being shut down.

I'm in the process now of backing up all the data, and securing the wallets and so on. In the coming days the btcsyn site will go down (hopefully not for long) and be transferred to a new temporary host. So the forums can stay up. And I'll have more details once that process is done. So if the site goes down, don't go into panic mode, the site will come back up, and I'm still accessible via this forum as well. It will just take me some time to sort it out.

That all said, with this change, combined with my job changing (and requiring MUCH more time commitment from me) I will not be able to continue running BTCSYN as it is.

I had hoped to have more time to plan something useful to come in here, but I haven't...

This doesn't mean that it's doom and gloom. (though we've had plenty of that already). What it means is that I won't have time to maintain the miners, keep things running, or run the sites/infrastructure.

So this means either:
A) BTCSYN will be shut down, and we'll figure out a sane way to do that (liquidate and pay out to shareholders using this list)
B) Someone else will need to pick up the torch and continue operation (At the vote of shareholders).
C) Some other alternative I haven't thought of yet.

So again, don't panic. The server is dying one way or another, so for now I'm focusing on securing/backing up the data. The wallets contents will be transferred to an offline wallet for safekeeping (created solely for this purpose, and backed up) until we have this sorted out.

I had hoped to announce this in a more elegant way, but as with most things these days it seems, it just wasn't in the cards.

Anyway, I'll post a similar announcement on the BTCSYN forums to redirect to this thread for now, while the site is still up, and again in a little while the site/forums should come back so we can facilitate the final closure/shutdown/transfer/whatever in a sane way in the newyear.

For a general list of assets/liabilities:

We own 4 Cairnsmore1 FPGA boards outright.
We have 4 more Cairnsmore1 FPGA boards on lease from Enterpoint, which we owe them for still
We have about 138.5 BTC.
A few other odds and ends of hardware (a PSU, some USB hubs, and some cabling and such)

IF we decide to liquidate (ie no other alternative is presented) be aware that the debt to enterpoint is larger than our current liquid assets, and the liquidatable value of those other 4 boards isn't very high with ASICs around the corner. Ideally another alternative will be possible. We'll see in the newyear.

Thanks for your patience!

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January 31, 2013, 02:59:00 AM
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So, any update on this?
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January 31, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
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Not really... A lot has been going on lately, things are kind of crazy, and I don't even have the time or energy to deal with this.

The site is backed up, but the old server is gone. Funds are still safe. And boards collecting dust... I don't really know what to do about it. I was kind of hoping after my last post that someone would step up and offer to take over the torch, but I basically heard nothing from anyone, other than one or two people confirming their claim from GLBSE...

Basically unless someone wants to pick up and figure out what to do next, and operate it themselves, we're insolvent... For example we have enough funds to buy an ASIC to mine with, but we also owe a bunch of money out in debt. So if we pay off our debts right now, we're left with only 8x FPGA boards, which are practically worthless in liquid value right now (because of ASICs). So unless someone can fire up the miners and mine up enough money to buy an ASIC to keep things afloat, we're basically bankrupt...

There is a lot to deal with to shut it down cleanly, and I don't even have time to deal with that. Which is why no news...

If anyone has any suggestions I'm open to hearing them...

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So, I'm understanding it right? Do you have the miners turned off?
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January 31, 2013, 06:53:58 PM
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Yes miners are off, the mining server is down, wallet host is gone, moved to an offline wallet, and so on.

As another update too just for the record, I've emailed all shareholders proposing a few shutdown solutions. With a vote taking place via email over the next 24h so we can finalize all this.

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February 01, 2013, 11:17:34 AM
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Yes miners are off

not cool.

edit: about the torch and stuff, I can take care of the site hosting (a) & running the boards (b).
as for the mining, only problem with it is the customs when importing into EU

e2: not sure about not being liquid. since the latest btc rate changes there would be not debts at least

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I really don't think we have enough information to make a decision about the options given.  Both options A and B require that we get some concessions from Enterpoint, and option A has a series of steps that make it impossible to calculate what the final dividend would be.  Option B results in a dividend of approx. 0.0115 BTC/share, but I don't like Option B as it leaves Glasswalker solely responsible for the debt.

I'd really like to see what sort of deal we can get from Enterpoint before we decide.  That will have a huge impact on whether or not it is feasible to continue operations and how a liquidation should go.
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the real wtf imo is that the boards are idling. mining with fpga will remain 'profitable' for a while for sure
and I believe folks Enterpoint are mining themselves (just bought some btc from them) so this is a waste of opportunity to close the shop

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I'm not in the mood for arguing right now, but I just want to state clearly that I won't recognize anything as settled if Paul proceeds as stated.
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oh, a lot of things happened since i last checked.
server gone, miners off, short notice vote without any prior discussion.
7 dec note that list from nefario arrived
two weeks later long post
month later vote from nowhere.

not cool
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Not really... A lot has been going on lately, things are kind of crazy, and I don't even have the time or energy to deal with this.

I read this before somewhere.

I was kind of hoping after my last post that someone would step up and offer to take over the torch, but I basically heard

Aww, I think this shitty community scammed you.

we're left with only 8x FPGA boards, which are practically worthless in liquid value right now (because of ASICs)

That sucks man. I know, why don't you just keep the shitty 8 FPGA boards? Worthless POS (because of ASICs) and you know...you've been busting your ass with blood sweat and tears our friend so therefore....

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oh, a lot of things happened since i last checked.
server gone, miners off

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short notice vote without any prior discussion.

This alone is enough to declare the whole thing void. So I'm proposing to start a discussion to decide ourselves what to do. I'm proposing myself to take things in charge. I can run the miners from Argentina, where energy rates are really low. But I would support Mila too, if he wants to take the torch.

two weeks later long post
month later vote from nowhere.

not cool
and no word from other 6 founding members

Long post saying basically nothing, by the way. Until this last post I didn't knew miners weren't working. So many breaches of fiduciary duty... Looks like some people are just playing games here...
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and as of today 2013 feb 11 (monday) it seems to be the end of the syndicate (it ended earlier i just finally managed to skim the walls of text buried in my mail).
it did not last a single year - see Paul's OP

founding members failed to meet their end of the loan of 6 GH/s.
what they did not fail is to claim the rights stemming from the shares (dividends and votes)

i do not want to judge if that's incompetence or bad intention.

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and as of today 2013 feb 11 (monday) it seems to be the end of the syndicate (it ended earlier i just finally managed to skim the walls of text buried in my mail).
it did not last a single year - see Paul's OP

founding members failed to meet their end of the loan of 6 GH/s.
what they did not fail is to claim the rights stemming from the shares (dividends and votes)

i do not want to judge if that's incompetence or bad intention.

basically what happens is that the final dividend will go to shareholders who were free riding the cooperative.

Care to post a summary of those emails? Inquiring minds wish to know.

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Care to post a summary of those emails? Inquiring minds wish to know.

why to summarize if they can be posted in full length?
I'm strong/weak enough to face this issue once a week or bi-weekly so be patient.
there's no need to rush a dead horse.

hope you noticed the 'funny fact' that none of the founding members had the technical capacity to grab the miners and operate them.
so neither did they stood to their commitment nor did they felt committed to take care of common production goods.
search for excuses for yourself. that was the proverbial last straw that bended things beyond repair.
if you were not member of the internal forum you probably missed the discussion why only founding members could trade in hashing power for shares when syndic was established.

i'll post also my collection of screenshots from the stats page (avg mining output) and known addresses used for payout from p2pool. together they illustrate the avg mining output better than memories. just gimme time. or pm me your email and I'll drop you the zip file.

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and as of today 2013 feb 11 (monday) it seems to be the end of the syndicate (it ended earlier i just finally managed to skim the walls of text buried in my mail).
it did not last a single year - see Paul's OP

founding members failed to meet their end of the loan of 6 GH/s.
what they did not fail is to claim the rights stemming from the shares (dividends and votes)

i do not want to judge if that's incompetence or bad intention.

basically what happens is that the final dividend will go to shareholders who were free riding the cooperative.

I keep seeing references to founding members but ARE there founding members?  Or is it just one guy, badly out of his depth, who keeps referring to himself in the plural?
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Care to post a summary of those emails? Inquiring minds wish to know.

why to summarize if they can be posted in full length?


Yeah, it would be great if you can make everything public, as it always should have been. The secrecy with which everything has been always handled only builds over the overall scammy feeling of the whole matter...

If this hasn't been a plain scam from day one (sadly, I have not proof whatsoever of it), at least it has been a huge scammy negligence. Whatever it is, this guys shouldn't be doing public businesses nevermore. Well, anyway, calling theirs thing business is a huge overstatement...

And Paul deciding on a rush, almost alone, what to do, and deciding to keep the remaining hardware for himself is a scam on itself...
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there was a list of 7 people in the bylaws who all committed themselves to the loan of mining capacity
which they still owe btw (the year long contract is still open)

not sure if I made copies of all pages from the site, maybe archive.org knows something.

and for the "best effort, no guarantee" argument, well, this is no effort.

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