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Question: Do you like to block the FBI coins from being sold until there is a fair and public trial?  (Voting closed: June 27, 2014, 12:42:11 AM)
Yes, block the coins! - 41 (22.4%)
No, let the FBI have them! - 128 (69.9%)
Not sure. - 14 (7.7%)
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June 13, 2014, 12:42:11 AM
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Miners, now it is your turn.

A US-tax-funded violent underground organization is about to sell Bitcoins which got robbed from a innovative San Francisco startup, a marketplace which was creating a better because more peaceful world! A marketplace which put users, transparency, safety and quality first and not outdated laws and bureaucracy. A marketplace which enriched our private private lives and helped us having a better time together in love and peace. A marketplace which was ultimately against violence, guns, corruption, distrust and obfuscation.

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Silk Road Reduced Violence in the Drug Trade, Study Argues - http://www.wired.com/2014/06/silk-road-study/


America's war on drugs is lost. We all know it! It is time to stop it before it does further harm to the people of this world.

Let's face it. Most likely only two people have the power to block the silkroad coins (https://blockchain.info/address/1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH) from being sold. They are the operators of the biggest pools: Ghash.io and BTCguild. Together they have more than 51% of the networks hashing power. If they do not want to (because they might be already saturated) all we need to do is to convince the majority of the miners to join other pools which do following...

HOWTO :: Technically speaking the ming pool operators need to (1) block all new transactions which are descendants of the silkroad coins which were located once on 1FfmbHfnpaZjKFvyi1okTjJJusN455paPH and (2) do not accept new blocks which contain such transactions as part of the longest chain (which you mine on).

The Bitcoin protocol remains unchanged and allows by definition such interventions. It is time to use them for the benefit of our society. And it will be a race. Let the longest chain win!

MINERS UNITE! It is finally time to stop violent tax-funded underground organizations like the FBI from exploiting the people who they were once supposed to protect! Do not let people who stay totally in dark take away more of your wealth for themselves and projects which will further limit your freedom! Join mining pools which block the silkroad coins until the legitimate owner gets access to them back or at least a fair and public trial happened!

@ Developers :: Build patches for mining pools which follow the HOWTO. Build also patches for the wallets which consider transactions invalid which originated from the FBI address or at least warn users after having received such transactions. Make it easy for people to express their opinion on this topic through software!

The blockchain is not neutral.

It would not exist without hard working people.

People who love freedom and honest behavior.

Good people.

It is time for your vote.

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June 13, 2014, 12:54:49 AM
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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?

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False flag trolling.
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June 13, 2014, 12:57:24 AM
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While I agree with you that the Silk Road is a good thing I don't think blocking those coins will do anything for anyone. The FBI will get the money they need to continue their crap whether they get it from selling bitcoins or from the money printers.

Plus, singling out coins and designating them "bad" is a very unsavory president to set. What happens when the coins someone want to mark isn't such a bad thing? Let's keep freedom free and be a good example, not play their game of attempted control.
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June 13, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?
Therefore you need to define your purpose of Bitcoin. My purpose is probably not your purpose.
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June 13, 2014, 01:00:55 AM
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The blockchain is neutral. It is up to payment accepters to filter out Bitcoins.
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June 13, 2014, 01:09:48 AM
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man, if they two largest pools banded together to do that, bitcoin would go crashing. people would fear these 2 miners.
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June 13, 2014, 01:18:14 AM
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The FBI will get the money they need to continue their crap whether they get it from selling bitcoins or from the money printers.
Selling Bitcoins means also lower price for your Bitcoins! The money printers will not last for ever. Let's start early.

Plus, singling out coins and designating them "bad" is a very unsavory president to set. What happens when the coins someone want to mark isn't such a bad thing? Let's keep freedom free and be a good example, not play their game of attempted control.
We have influence. It is your choice what freedom is. Freedom from freedom? Freedom from violence? Do not trust algorithms blind. Otherwise you will end up in the matrix.
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June 13, 2014, 01:19:08 AM
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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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June 13, 2014, 01:25:54 AM
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I think your idea is ridiculous.


Maybe some others are interested in a group buy of these coins? (testing water)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650301.0
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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.

Sometimes 50$ today is worth more than 500$ in a year.
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June 13, 2014, 01:28:30 AM
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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.
Good one. I prefer to make fun of the "government" for thinking that they own the silkroad coins.

The blockchain is neutral. It is up to payment accepters to filter out Bitcoins.
This is not anymore possible after the coins circulate again. Now is the time.

How boring. This has already been discussed (at length, multiple times) and it hasn't happened. Get some fresh ideas.

Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come”, Sir Victor Hugo 1852

The organization you speak of has those coins because the operator of the marketplace was unable to protect themselves even though fantastic tools were (are) available.

How about starting a campaign to teach people to protect themselves instead.
You should start this campaign which I will support. It is your idea. People make mistakes. This is their nature.



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June 13, 2014, 01:30:45 AM
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Selling Bitcoins means also lower price for your Bitcoins! The money printers will not last for ever. Let's start early.
Mining pools collaborating to censor transactions will send the price of bitcoin to zero, which is a lot lower than any price the US gov is going to achieve.

Mining pools attempting to censor transactions without near-universal support will spell the end for those mining pools, while everyone else carries on.

At best I'm going to have to assume that you're misguided and failing to think this through. We don't need to change your mind or convince you to stop because the overwhelmingly likely outcome of any attempt to do this is failure. At this point this thread is just noise, like many before it that have sought to ban a certain class of transactions for idealogical reasons.
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June 13, 2014, 01:31:32 AM
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We are the hardworking miners and believers in bitcoin who supports this ecosystem and now the FBI wants to benefit it by selling our property at current relative high price?!
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June 13, 2014, 01:37:18 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.
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June 13, 2014, 01:43:04 AM
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Selling Bitcoins means also lower price for your Bitcoins! The money printers will not last for ever. Let's start early.
Mining pools collaborating to censor transactions will send the price of bitcoin to zero, which is a lot lower than any price the US gov is going to achieve.

Mining pools attempting to censor transactions without near-universal support will spell the end for those mining pools, while everyone else carries on.

At best I'm going to have to assume that you're misguided and failing to think this through. We don't need to change your mind or convince you to stop because the overwhelmingly likely outcome of any attempt to do this is failure. At this point this thread is just noise, like many before it that have sought to ban a certain class of transactions for idealogical reasons.

Miners chose Mining Pools. Mining Pools already prefer transactions based on their included fee among other things. The majority always carries on.

Start differentiating, offer real choice! No blind obedience. Do especially not pray to the blockchain hoping that this will solve every problem magically!

If the majority of the miners decide to block (and not censor) transactions it is their decision.

This is not only a ideological reason. It is a very practical too. Here we can show that we have power. Power which is not anymore under control of the "government".
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June 13, 2014, 01:43:55 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  Those two pools will not do that as they will see the value of Bitcoin plummet and have everyone left and right asking them to block more coins.  

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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?
Therefore you need to define your purpose of Bitcoin. My purpose is probably not your purpose.

Exactly! Your purpose isn't my purpose. So I'm not going to tell you how to use yours, and hope you don't try to legislate how I use mine.

Freedom isn't freedom if it's restricted. The only freedom that might should be restricted is the freedom to do harm to others. I agree that the FBI does harm to others, but in this situation (specifically selling seized bitcoin) they are not doing harm to anyone.

EDIT: I expounded on my argument.
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June 13, 2014, 01:52:25 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  
QFT and all that needs to be said, really.

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June 13, 2014, 02:15:27 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  
QFT and all that needs to be said, really.
Don't be so sure. Eventually it will happen. And first signs are already there. Prioritizing transactions gets done. De-prioritizing (to zero) will come.
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June 13, 2014, 02:25:06 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  
QFT and all that needs to be said, really.

yep. bitcoin is supposed to stand for neutral transactions; not to force change in things that you don't like. otherwise, that would defeat the purpose and it would just be a continuation of the establishment/status quo.
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June 13, 2014, 02:42:10 AM
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bitcoin developers should never ever put code in to block any particular coin

however if you have a problem such as the recent topics of satoshi's hoard and fbi's hoard. how about get off your lame asses and email all the exchanges that deal with FIAT, and complain to them to ensure they do not allow the FBI to cash out.

oh by the way you dont have to get off your lame asses to send an email. yet you get the solution you truly want, without fucking up the bitcoin protocol. also your showing some active solution to your problem and not just whinging about it on a forum

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June 13, 2014, 02:53:23 AM
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1 bitcoin must always be worth 1 bitcoin, otherwise the protocol is useless.
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June 13, 2014, 03:04:46 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungibility

If Bitcoins aren't fungible then they aren't a currency and have no purpose or value.
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June 13, 2014, 03:07:46 AM
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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  
QFT and all that needs to be said, really.
Don't be so sure. Eventually it will happen. And first signs are already there. Prioritizing transactions gets done. De-prioritizing (to zero) will come.
Of course it might happen, if enough fools think that destroying fungibility is a good thing.
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This has been asked before.  Not gonna happen..

I see the value of Bitcoin, so I don't worry about the price...
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June 13, 2014, 03:20:13 AM
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It's tempting, how often is there an avenue for the good guys to fight back?

But if the community were to sanction this we'd be lowering ourselves to their level and compromising our values.

It would destroy Bitcoin's hard earned legitimacy and the price would go plummeting as speculators saw how easily they could be deprived the value of their holdings.
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June 13, 2014, 04:37:03 AM
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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.

I wonder which one of these:

Top Ten Economic Mistakes of History

will be replaced with:

In 2014, the former government of the USA sold almost 3 trillion satoshis for less value than a single ton of gold. By the year 2100, their value exceeded the value of all mined gold in the entire planet.

Sidenote: In the year 2100, the fiat currency earned from the sale of those bitcoins wouldn't even buy a pizza!



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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.
Good one. I prefer to make fun of the "government" for thinking that they own the silkroad coins.

The blockchain is neutral. It is up to payment accepters to filter out Bitcoins.
This is not anymore possible after the coins circulate again. Now is the time.

How boring. This has already been discussed (at length, multiple times) and it hasn't happened. Get some fresh ideas.

Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come”, Sir Victor Hugo 1852

The organization you speak of has those coins because the operator of the marketplace was unable to protect themselves even though fantastic tools were (are) available.

How about starting a campaign to teach people to protect themselves instead.
You should start this campaign which I will support. It is your idea. People make mistakes. This is their nature.




I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.

I wonder which one of these:

Top Ten Economic Mistakes of History

will be replaced with:

In 2014, the former government of the USA sold almost 3 trillion satoshis for less value than a single ton of gold. By the year 2100, their value exceeded the value of all mined gold in the entire planet.

Sidenote: In the year 2100, the fiat currency earned from the sale of those bitcoins wouldn't even buy a pizza!



This, plus, why lose our own values?

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June 13, 2014, 04:59:46 AM
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WTF is wrong with you people !

This is our chance to stick it to "the man" and to show the world the power we have with our cryptos !

FYI.. The price is guaranteed to drop if the goverment is allowed to keep it and the mt gox piles.

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I wouldn't count on GHash.IO for anything..  --->> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.0

They should also be considered a threat.

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blocking coins.... are you actually serious or is this thread a joke ?
if we block coins why not block coins to BFL or somewhere else.
really bad idea to put it nicely.

as others said, fbi will still get their money, thus pointless.........

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Isnt it impossible to "block" coins. What kind of bullshit is that.

If it is possible(which would be pretty damn stupid), then do not block the fbi coins....would look pretty stupid for bitcoin overall if that ever happened.

It is possible for the coins to be blocked.  Just like it is possible for the FBI to give them to Seans Outpost.  It COULD happen.  It just won't.  
QFT and all that needs to be said, really.
Don't be so sure. Eventually it will happen. And first signs are already there. Prioritizing transactions gets done. De-prioritizing (to zero) will come.

That is not the same.  It actually takes a 51% attack to DE-prioritize to zero.  Any pool or solo miner can include the transaction.  It takes 51% of the hashing power to ACTIVELY block the transaction not just neglect to include it. 

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June 13, 2014, 05:49:14 AM
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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?
Therefore you need to define your purpose of Bitcoin. My purpose is probably not your purpose.

My purpose is a stable currency that retains value that I can access in the future. Your idea would do the opposite. I don't really get into the whole political side of things but wouldn't it be better for everyone if they didn't have any coins?

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June 13, 2014, 06:27:57 AM
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Great idea!  I suggest you write to the top 10 pool operators and suggest it to them.  I predict the following outcome with each and every pool operator you contact -

You to all people who believe in and support the Bitcoin idea, but specifically to the pool operators:  I have a great idea how we, and by we I mean you, can really "stick it to the man"!!!  Go buy yourself a shotgun, aim it at your foot and then pull the trigger!  Wouldn't that be great?  I came up with this idea all on my own!  If you do it I believe all the other pool operators and full nodes will join you - I am pretty sure of it.  

Pool operators (ever last one of them):  What the hell are you talking about?  Are you some kind of fucking retarded moron?

Try it.  Not one single pool operator is going to do what you suggest - no matter how many times you suggest it and no matter how many stupid threads you start and no matter how many idiotic polls you take, because

1) It will hurt them to blow off their own foot.
2) It will not hurt the man, at all.  Not even a tiny little bit.

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June 13, 2014, 06:47:18 AM
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everyone voting yes. please display YOUR public addresses. and then show a transaction of you sending ALL your bitcoins to either seans outpost ( a worthy and proven bitcoin charity) or send them to the bitcoin devs...

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oh wait i can psychically hear your thoughts. you suddenly find bitcoin valuable and you dont want others having your coins without your consent. and you certainly dont want to lose them..

oh i hear ya, hypocrit

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June 13, 2014, 08:02:20 AM
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I for one have very little love for a number of the corrupt practices of our (US) government...however the proposal to specifically block only those coin(s) wouldn't bode well for bitcoin's future imho.

Once we start down this path to start excluding the "man" from being able to cash out his coins how could we possibly claim any sort of moral higher ground?  Wouldn't this essentially make us no different than they?

Anyhoo, doing this would absolutely tank the price of BTC I suspect.  That $10 by the end of the month prediction ole whats-his-name made might just actually come to pass if this action is carried through.

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MINERS UNITE! It is finally time to stop violent tax-funded underground organizations like the FBI from exploiting the people who they were once supposed to protect!

1) All-caps and bold text do not make points more valid.

2) "MINERS UNITE" basically translates to "let's centralise Bitcoin".  If anything, I would cry out: "Miner's disassociate!".

3) If you want to stop tax-funded underground organisations then stop paying taxes.

4) I'm not even from the US.  Why on earth should I support the destruction of Bitcoin because people in a foreign land don't have the balls to stand up for themselves?
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June 13, 2014, 09:01:48 AM
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Lol...OP has no idea what BTC really is and why it was created. BTC was creates to prevent exactly THAT scenario. Someone taking your money w/o your knowlage.

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I'm not sure about the action that you're proposed because, you playing with FBI, not any one  Grin
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June 13, 2014, 10:08:05 AM
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Everyone else has already pointed out the flaws.

You destroy an essential element of what makes bitcoin bitcoin. Neutrality.

It's the same as when you set up a violence monopolising morally sanctioned gang who destroy the world and kill millions of people because you want to force other people to pay for schools and roads.

edit: and yes, why would you want to force the FBI to keep the most valuable thing it has? Let it sell one of the world's greatest inventions for worthless shit that it is determined to ruin the value of!

Society doesn't scale.
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June 13, 2014, 10:12:39 AM
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You destroy an essential element of what makes bitcoin bitcoin. Neutrality.

And you blow up the idea of decentralisation with it. There is nothing decentralised about a system where the developers are free to make any change they like and it must be implemented, nor where all miners can simply pick and choose what they want to do. I mean, yes, if these mining pools were ridiculously morally bound they might agree to boycott any txs but you'd never get every single pool on board anyway and eventually one of those will find a block.
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June 13, 2014, 10:15:59 AM
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I didn't read the whole thread. I didn't even read the whole starting post.
I just want to Point out, that any Manipulation of BTC is a bad Thing, like I did many times before. Regardless of your "good intentions"

People who agree to this stupid idea, just don't understand Bitcoins

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June 13, 2014, 10:19:56 AM
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I would love to see this :
1.FBI deposits those seized bitcoins lets say to bitstamp
2. bitstamp puts news that it has been hacked
3. only FBI coins are stolen..
4. bitstamp reopens in 1 hour Tongue
5.send those coin to non existant address

hhaha that would be apsolute trolling
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June 13, 2014, 10:23:34 AM
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I would love to see this :
1.FBI deposits those seized bitcoins lets say to bitstamp
2. bitstamp puts news that it has been hacked
3. only FBI coins are stolen..
4. bitstamp reopens in 1 hour Tongue
5.send those coin to non existant address

hhaha that would be apsolute trolling

Haha, or whoever buys them gets the BTC, but they pay using paypal, and reverse the charge two days later.

Society doesn't scale.
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I would love to see this :
1.FBI deposits those seized bitcoins lets say to bitstamp
2. bitstamp puts news that it has been hacked
3. only FBI coins are stolen..
4. bitstamp reopens in 1 hour Tongue
5.send those coin to non existant address

hhaha that would be apsolute trolling

Haha, or whoever buys them gets the BTC, but they pay using paypal, and reverse the charge two days later.
Those are both funny ideas but here is what is being proposed:

1. People who want the BTC and want to help take it mainstream send a $200,000 cash deposit to the USMS (http://www.usmarshals.gov)
2. These people who are our people who want to buy and own and promote Bitcoin bid on the 10 lots of 3,000 BTC
3. Some of them win the bidding and send about $1.5 million dollars cash (minus their $200,000 deposit) per 3,000 BTC won in the bidding
4. Once the cash clears the USMS bank account the USMS attempts to send them the 3,000 BTC these people have paid for
5. Due to this proposal they are unable to transfer the BTC to the new owners
6. USMS says "sorry Charlie" we are not responsible for the actions of the Bitcoin network.  "Take it up with them"

"The man" ends up with about 15 million dollars cash.

You have just screwed over the large investors who were trying to take Bitcoin mainstream.

I am sick of you drooling idiots that make and support this proposal over and over.

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June 13, 2014, 12:46:15 PM
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Miners unite, block OP and his toughtless topics on this forum!

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June 13, 2014, 12:48:29 PM
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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..
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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..
It is not possible.  These proposals are just stupid people posting about things they do not know anything about.  Do not worry.  It is not going to happen and it is not possible.  You are the reason I even respond to them, because people like you start to believe their bullshit and get worried.

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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..
It is not possible.  These proposals are just stupid people posting about things they do not know anything about.  Do not worry.  It is not going to happen and it is not possible.  You are the reason I even respond to them, because people like you start to believe their bullshit and get worried.

Yeah dont get upset by that crap. Guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's so deep inside box that he has no idea how "outside" looks like.

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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..
It is not possible.  These proposals are just stupid people posting about things they do not know anything about.  Do not worry.  It is not going to happen and it is not possible.  You are the reason I even respond to them, because people like you start to believe their bullshit and get worried.

Yeah dont get upset by that crap. Guy has no idea what he's talking about. He's so deep inside box that he has no idea how "outside" looks like.

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June 13, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..

What the hell makes you think BTC is the "the coin of the future" ?

It has already failed with its promises of anonymity and decentralization, so how is a little community intervention goin to hurt ? lol

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So it seems that if the Devs of bitcoin wanted, they could simply "block" someones coin and send it out on the next bitcoin update....

Thats the most fucking piece of bullshit crap ive ever seen/heard. That kind of makes bitcoin useless and will never gain mainstream acceptance....

We need to take that ability away, to freaking block coins....Take it away now so its impossible to do that kind of crap...Knowing that it's possible is such a dissapointment for bitcoin..

What the hell makes you think BTC is the "the coin of the future" ?

It has already failed with its promises of anonymity and decentralization, so how is a little community intervention goin to hurt ? lol
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 Kiss

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WOOT !

Some of the "unsure" voters have fallen off the fence. Tongue

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Even if we forget the fact that this would centralize bitcoin, the FBI were within their rights to seize those coins and therefore there is no reason why the coins should be blocked
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Even if we forget the fact that this would centralize bitcoin, the FBI were within their rights to seize those coins and therefore there is no reason why the coins should be blocked

You obviously have no idea of how vile and corrupt these maggots are.

http://youtu.be/I2bnd-OdwMo


What if they are planning to use them as part of a 51% attack ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650330.0

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WTF ! Smiley Its freaky to hear FOX speaking the truth for a change ! Grin

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 Rather than blacklisting the FBI address, why not get miners to charge massive transaction fees on spends originating there?
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Rather than blacklisting the FBI address, why not get miners to charge massive transaction fees on spends originating there?
Let's think this one through and see if it has any chance:

1) Some or even most of the miners decide to charge extra fees on transactions from the FBI.
2) Some do not go along.
3) The FBI does not pay the extra fees.
4) Eventually the transactions get put into blocks by the miners that do not agree.

Darn.  Still can't use the Bitcoin network to promote your personal feelings.  Shucks.

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June 14, 2014, 10:50:53 PM
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FORK them, before they fork us !

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June 15, 2014, 12:05:10 AM
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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?

Not really, as long as there is a majority vote.

If a majority agrees he reason is a good enough reason, they could decide to block it.

Personally I'm pretty neutral in this case. But I'm unlikely to actually join in blocking any transactions. Except maybe if proof was found that an address belongs to a scammer and the proof is good enough.

FBI seized coins well... It's a bit of a hard decision but I think the whole war on drugs is indeed a bit silly. If people want to destroy their own lives with drugs it's their own responsibility. And I believe making drugs illegal only causes more problems because illegal drugs are more profitable. If drugs were legal they would be cheap and there would not be much incentive to sell them anymore.

I'm  not sure how blocking the FBI coins would affect the price, but I guess it would have a positive effect on the price as long as there is no reason to believe the majority of the users will go berserk and block a lot of addresses for minor reasons or even pure greed.
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If you think this is a good idea, go ahead and fork the client and fork the blockchain.  Then see who and how many people agree.  We'll have two coins, bitcoin and some other alt-coin.  Everyone who has bitcoin will also have the same number of coins on the alt-chain.

This type of thing has been discussed many times and none of the people who think this is a good idea ever do anything.  For heavens sake, all the people who want to ruin the fungibility of bitcoin just go ahead and make the patches, fork everything, and release them once and for all so we can put this issue to bed with everyone either thinking it is a great idea or a terrible idea.

I think most people will be dumping the alt-coin and buying more bitcoins, but actually doing it will give hard evidence as to who likes it and who doesn't.   So, please just start coding and release the alt-coin already.




I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.
Good one. I prefer to make fun of the "government" for thinking that they own the silkroad coins.

The blockchain is neutral. It is up to payment accepters to filter out Bitcoins.
This is not anymore possible after the coins circulate again. Now is the time.

How boring. This has already been discussed (at length, multiple times) and it hasn't happened. Get some fresh ideas.

Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come”, Sir Victor Hugo 1852

The organization you speak of has those coins because the operator of the marketplace was unable to protect themselves even though fantastic tools were (are) available.

How about starting a campaign to teach people to protect themselves instead.
You should start this campaign which I will support. It is your idea. People make mistakes. This is their nature.




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Even though I do admit I'd like to see this happen, heh.  I'd say it not a good idea for so many reasons.  I think the biggest one that comes to mind for me right now would be that I believe it goes against the basic principles of BTC in general.  Breaking the rules would make the community look like hypocrites also in my opinion.

We have to chalk this one up to a loss but I'd guess it's just a matter of opinion at this point in time.
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I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense.  Grin
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LOL

sad thing is people actually believe this shit.
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Sure, if enough miners used your changes it could be done
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I don't want to block the coins, I want to watch the US government make the terrible mistake of trading precious BTC for worthless fiat this early in the fiat->crypto transition, so we can all later laugh at them for their folly.

I want the clever folks who buy these coins to make out like bandits at the FBI's expense. This will be a "stupid government" joke for the rest of history.

I wonder which one of these:

Top Ten Economic Mistakes of History

will be replaced with:

In 2014, the former government of the USA sold almost 3 trillion satoshis for less value than a single ton of gold. By the year 2100, their value exceeded the value of all mined gold in the entire planet.

Sidenote: In the year 2100, the fiat currency earned from the sale of those bitcoins wouldn't even buy a pizza!
You nailed it. And I'd say this will all be true LONG before 2100. Perhaps as early as 2030.

I'd also say the disastrous modern war on drugs will have earned a place on that moronic policy list, for the people of the future, although I suppose that's more a legal blunder than an economic one.

It's a shame that beheading of terrible lawmakers has gone out of style. It would be so cathartic for repressed Americans. Perhaps when our house of cards economy implodes that will change, there's always hope.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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that's enough reason for me to end the war on drugs
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I'm  not sure how blocking the FBI coins would affect the price, but I guess it would have a positive effect on the price as long as there is no reason to believe the majority of the users will go berserk and block a lot of addresses for minor reasons or even pure greed.
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Please enlighten us as to why you believe they should be allowed to get away with this.

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If only ONE transaction is ever blocked for any non-technical reason, such what you propose here, confidence in the neutrality of the blockchain will be instantly ruined and a gigantic panic-sell will follow, driving the BTC price to zero.

Period.

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Please enlighten us as to why you believe they should be allowed to get away with this.

WTC 1993 was an FBI job --> http://youtu.be/_2vpcABWJiY
Assuming you are 100% correct and the FBI is the source of all evil please enlighten us as to how detroying Bitcoin in any way hurts the evil FBI empire.

If only ONE transaction is ever blocked for any non-technical reason, such what you propose here, confidence in the neutrality of the blockchain will be instantly ruined and a gigantic panic-sell will follow, driving the BTC price to zero.

Period.

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Well said.  As I have stated before several times the proposal destroys Bitcoin and does not hurt them even a tiny little bit.  The GOV ends up with the cash for the sale, the people buying the BTC from them end up with nothing, and Bitcoin is destroyed for nothing.

On top of that the proposal is all hot air anyway because the proposal and others like it will never happen.

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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.


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Create a decentralized currency, they said.
Prevent ANY price manipulation they said.
Result: let's try to manipulate it?
WTF are you guys advocating here?

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WTF are you guys advocating here?
Bitcoin suicide in order to "stick it to the man"(TM)

In other words total supidity.

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WTF are you guys advocating here?
Bitcoin suicide in order to "stick it to the man"(TM)

In other words total supidity.

Agreed.  What will likely happen with the proceeds of this sale:

A special unit, section, bureau, or organization will be funded in the government (yes, I said the G-word) to help prevent fraud, theft, ML, etc. in the crypto-currency world.  What this means is that there will potentially be an official entity specializing in investigating the bad guys that screw others out of their BTC.  They will HELP those of you that lost big.

Some of our community believes the proceeds will be used to buy more black suburbans or helicopters to follow us around.  Drones to keep tabs on us.  Anything that weakens our privacy one more notch.  You have to get over this nonsense.  The ratio of law enforcement to population is probably 1000:1 if you included every single police official out there.  And about half or more of those don't investigate anything at all.  They're administrative people or housekeepers if you will.  In that realm there are a hell of a lot more bad guys than there are able-bodied people to work them.  So prioritization takes place on the bad guy that is the most significant threat.  Today's buzzwords in this community are terrorists of all types (foreign, Eco, hate groups, etc.).  So this idea of the crypto community being harassed to the point of killing it is utter and complete radicalism.  Save that crap for the corporate bodies, who just happen to be members of our community.  Yes, those are the ones you should be worried about.  The very people that will try to, say, fork the freaking blockchain to benefit their business agenda.

If you successfully fork this thing, I'll do everything in my power to advocate against a "decentralized" crypto.  You will have undone everything Satoshi Nakamoto intended.

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Create a decentralized currency, they said.
Prevent ANY price manipulation they said.
Result: let's try to manipulate it?
WTF are you guys advocating here?
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Please enlighten us as to why you believe they should be allowed to get away with this.

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I will just for once assume that you are asking seriously.

Because making any bitcoins worse than other would destroy fungibility of Bitcoin, could possibly create endless chain of dependencies which could then pollute "clean" Bitcoins and, most importantly, would require a hard fork therefore ultimately and completely obliterating the whole idea of Bitcoin.

Making any coins worse than other because of somebody's stupid desires is a no-go and I (and most of early adopters) would leave Bitcoin the minute somebody tries something like this.

Was that clear enough for you?

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I voted not sure, but the fact that the FBI is willingly auctioning them off means they silently acknowledged one thing, Bitcoin has value, I don't think that cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin should be controlled by anyone no matter the political reasons, otherwise it's no better than the dollar. The problem is like with free speech restricting the free flow of a currency means that it will lead to other blockings and so on, how do we know that we're doing the right thing, if we truly believe in free trade then we should stick to it, no matter who is making the transactions.

Frankly, I'm more amazed that people haven't done this in rage against Mark Karpeles, I'm a bit baffled that someone is doing this to stick up for a known drug dealer instead.
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June 15, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.




This would be a horrible idea.

First of all the FBI had put out a public notice allowing for anyone to claim ownership in the coins to do so and no one came forward.

Next, the concept of Bitcoin is that whoever controls the private key is the person who controls the subject coins. Since the FBI (I think it is actually the US Marshall service now, but this really does not matter) controls the private key to the subject BTC address, they are the ones that control the coins. To blacklist certain coins just because you think/feel they were "stolen" would create huge problems with bitcoin. Anyone could claim and present some kind of evidence that their coins were taken unjustly regardless of if the coins were stolen or not.

Third, once the coins are sold and disbursed to the buyers of the coins, the buyers will do their thing with the cons. They may keep some of them, they may use a mixing service to transfer some to another address, they may use some to buy goods/services, they may transfer some to an exchange to sell some. Assuming the transactions get confirmed then the majority (if not all) of the coins would be in the hands of someone who have nothing to do with the FBI nor had anything to do with the sale of the coins. It would be unjust to punish people just because they received coins from some unknown party (and would likely not have known prior to the transaction).

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Please enlighten us as to why you believe they should be allowed to get away with this.

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Assuming you are 100% correct and the FBI is the source of all evil please enlighten us as to how detroying Bitcoin in any way hurts the evil FBI empire.


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Beating dead horses and pulling the wings off flies are big hobbies for OP.

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OP likes authority and censorship.  OP wants to centralize bitcoin and have man-made decisions to control bitcoin's store of value and ability to transact.

OP, get the fuck out of bitcoin and go back to federal reserve notes.  Sounds like a perfect currency for you.  Maybe you should join the government too and try to assert more control over other people's lives.
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June 16, 2014, 03:59:53 AM
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.




This would be a horrible idea.

First of all the FBI had put out a public notice allowing for anyone to claim ownership in the coins to do so and no one came forward.

Next, the concept of Bitcoin is that whoever controls the private key is the person who controls the subject coins. Since the FBI (I think it is actually the US Marshall service now, but this really does not matter) controls the private key to the subject BTC address, they are the ones that control the coins. To blacklist certain coins just because you think/feel they were "stolen" would create huge problems with bitcoin. Anyone could claim and present some kind of evidence that their coins were taken unjustly regardless of if the coins were stolen or not.

Third, once the coins are sold and disbursed to the buyers of the coins, the buyers will do their thing with the cons. They may keep some of them, they may use a mixing service to transfer some to another address, they may use some to buy goods/services, they may transfer some to an exchange to sell some. Assuming the transactions get confirmed then the majority (if not all) of the coins would be in the hands of someone who have nothing to do with the FBI nor had anything to do with the sale of the coins. It would be unjust to punish people just because they received coins from some unknown party (and would likely not have known prior to the transaction).

Wrong.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/01/31/silk-road-vendor-filing-claim-for-seized-bitcoins-argues-he-sold-only-legal-items/
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June 16, 2014, 04:55:53 AM
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The Bitcoin protocol remains unchanged

Not true.  This change to the client that blacklists those coins does not follow the Bitcoin protocol.  It rejects blocks that are valid using the client prior to the change, therefore this client is imposing a change to the protocol that is not backward-compatible.  (It is still forward-compatible though, meaning clients that don't implement the blacklist will still validate and accept blocks solved by this "blacklisting client").

Miners will be taking a risk by adopting a client that uses the blacklist.  They risk that there truly won't be enough miners using the blacklist.   If this happens, there will be a blockchain fork and those miners using the blacklist will be working on blocks that may not ever become part of the longest chain.   Miners are not gamblers -- they will not switch to a client that is not backward-compatible without first being really confident there is almost no chance the changes will cause a blockchain fork.

Even if there were something like 80% of the miners onboard, however, that doesn't guarantee success.

See, the buyer of these disputed coins has an economic incentive for them to be fungible.   So all this party would need to do is to spend some of the coins and include significant fees on those transactions such that miners are leaving a significant amount of money on the table by implementing the blacklist.   So if the block reward paid to miners is 25 XBT, then maybe adding a transaction fee of just a few bitcoin would be enough to sway over some miners such that the longest chain continues to extend off a block which includes the blacklisted coins.  That action requires no change to the protocol and no change to the client.  And once these transactions start to circulate, a blacklist on taint starts to harm others who are innocent and thus there's more "backing" available to ensure that the blacklist fails.

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June 16, 2014, 03:04:38 PM
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The Bitcoin protocol remains unchanged

Not true.  This change to the client that blacklists those coins does not follow the Bitcoin protocol.  It rejects blocks that are valid using the client prior to the change, therefore this client is imposing a change to the protocol that is not backward-compatible.  (It is still forward-compatible though, meaning clients that don't implement the blacklist will still validate and accept blocks solved by this "blacklisting client").

Miners will be taking a risk by adopting a client that uses the blacklist.  They risk that there truly won't be enough miners using the blacklist.   If this happens, there will be a blockchain fork and those miners using the blacklist will be working on blocks that may not ever become part of the longest chain.   Miners are not gamblers -- they will not switch to a client that is not backward-compatible without first being really confident there is almost no chance the changes will cause a blockchain fork.

Even if there were something like 80% of the miners onboard, however, that doesn't guarantee success.

See, the buyer of these disputed coins has an economic incentive for them to be fungible.   So all this party would need to do is to spend some of the coins and include significant fees on those transactions such that miners are leaving a significant amount of money on the table by implementing the blacklist.   So if the block reward paid to miners is 25 XBT, then maybe adding a transaction fee of just a few bitcoin would be enough to sway over some miners such that the longest chain continues to extend off a block which includes the blacklisted coins.  That action requires no change to the protocol and no change to the client.  And once these transactions start to circulate, a blacklist on taint starts to harm others who are innocent and thus there's more "backing" available to ensure that the blacklist fails.


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Beating dead horses and pulling the wings off flies are big hobbies for OP.

Those and wasting bandwidth.

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June 16, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
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As much as I hate the US government for their mistreatment, deception, and coercion of We the People, I'd be perfectly alright with them getting Bitcoin rich, as Bitcoin taking over world currency would ultimately make this planet a less violent, more honest place.

That's called the greater good.

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simply, do not do such things, if you do it one time, it will happen more and more
dont want bitcoin like this
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As much as I hate the US government for their mistreatment, deception, and coercion of We the People, I'd be perfectly alright with them getting Bitcoin rich, as Bitcoin taking over world currency would ultimately make this planet a less violent, more honest place.

That's called the greater good.
The US government can, just like anyone else, buy BTC, hold BTC, and use BTC - their choice.

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June 16, 2014, 08:21:37 PM
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.

Seems like the number of people who don't get it is growing :

Yes, block the coins!   - 27 (20.5%).
If they aren't trolling , It's not a good sign.

The last wave of adopters seems to have brought a few extremists with it.


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June 16, 2014, 09:05:37 PM
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OP is a fool and a delusional man child.

'violent underground organizations' LOL maybe you should follow anonymous and try to go toe to toe with mexican drug cartels instead.

No balls for that?
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June 16, 2014, 11:30:19 PM
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.

Seems like the number of people who don't get it is growing :

Yes, block the coins!   - 27 (20.5%).
If they aren't trolling , It's not a good sign.

The last wave of adopters seems to have brought a few extremists with it.

You should note that this is only 27 people. The other choices are really not much better then "yes, block the coins"

This is certainly not a scientific poll.
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.

Seems like the number of people who don't get it is growing :

Yes, block the coins!   - 27 (20.5%).
If they aren't trolling , It's not a good sign.

The last wave of adopters seems to have brought a few extremists with it.

You should note that this is only 27 people. The other choices are really not much better then "yes, block the coins"

This is certainly not a scientific poll.

We had the same kind of poll last time when the fbi seized the coins.
That time there were also a lot of people who asked for the pools to block the transactions from the fbi address and to make the coins un spendable.

I thought people have learned that time that it will hurt much more bitcoin than the government.
Seems like I was wrong.

27 votes again out of 130 it's a bit too much from my point o view.


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June 17, 2014, 12:22:33 AM
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Sad that more than 17% of people don't understand that the whole point of Bitcoin is that it is fungible and DOES NOT GET BLOCKED.

This is a terrible precedent.

Seems like the number of people who don't get it is growing :

Yes, block the coins!   - 27 (20.5%).
If they aren't trolling , It's not a good sign.

The last wave of adopters seems to have brought a few extremists with it.

You should note that this is only 27 people. The other choices are really not much better then "yes, block the coins"

This is certainly not a scientific poll.

We had the same kind of poll last time when the fbi seized the coins.
That time there were also a lot of people who asked for the pools to block the transactions from the fbi address and to make the coins un spendable.

I thought people have learned that time that it will hurt much more bitcoin than the government.
Seems like I was wrong.

27 votes again out of 130 it's a bit too much from my point o view.

You don't know "who" is casing these votes. I would say that most of these people who are voting this way do not have a true understanding of Bitcoin

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Jeez way too many votes on yes and not sure... tsk tsk these forums are clearly getting too accessible, let's ask a 0.0001 btc for an account and see if this gets fixed.

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June 17, 2014, 12:34:13 AM
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if we all block the FBI from making the transaction, wouldn't it make bitcoin more centralized that most people are wanting? doesn't that pose a dilemma then? while i don't like what the FBI has done, i think OP's proposal is a little extremist.
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Do those of you who wish to create "classes" of Bitcoins are going to ultimately be personally resonsible for the demise of that cryptocurrency?

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June 17, 2014, 03:48:28 AM
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if we all block the FBI from making the transaction, wouldn't it make bitcoin more centralized that most people are wanting? doesn't that pose a dilemma then? while i don't like what the FBI has done, i think OP's proposal is a little extremist.

It would not make the Bitcoin network more centralized.

It would make it so that bitcoin would not be fungible. How it is now if you were to go to the marketplace section of the forums and offer to buy a couch (or another good) from a user for 1 BTC, they would accept your offer, you would send the 1 BTC and they would send the couch. It would not matter "which" BTC you sent as the 1 BTC that was sent is exactly the same as any other 1 BTC that any other person/entity has.

If you were to "block" the FBI bitcoin from being transferred/sold then each bitcoin could potentially have a different value. Even if the FBI coins are never sold, your 1 BTC may have a lessor value because they are somehow tainted with an address that is believed to have stolen coins in the past. You would have had absolutely nothing to do with the subject theft but would still suffer.
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if we all block the FBI from making the transaction, wouldn't it make bitcoin more centralized that most people are wanting? doesn't that pose a dilemma then? while i don't like what the FBI has done, i think OP's proposal is a little extremist.

It would not make the Bitcoin network more centralized.

It would make it so that bitcoin would not be fungible. How it is now if you were to go to the marketplace section of the forums and offer to buy a couch (or another good) from a user for 1 BTC, they would accept your offer, you would send the 1 BTC and they would send the couch. It would not matter "which" BTC you sent as the 1 BTC that was sent is exactly the same as any other 1 BTC that any other person/entity has.

If you were to "block" the FBI bitcoin from being transferred/sold then each bitcoin could potentially have a different value. Even if the FBI coins are never sold, your 1 BTC may have a lessor value because they are somehow tainted with an address that is believed to have stolen coins in the past. You would have had absolutely nothing to do with the subject theft but would still suffer.

i'm not sure how your point relates to centralization not being an issue. what i see is this: people who don't like what the FBI is doing (and i am one of them), so they decide to group up and prevent the FBI from doing whatever it wants to do.. this is kind of like a political move too. if bitcoin were truly decentralized, you wouldn't be able to force your will upon them.
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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.

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I agree with the OP in principle, but in reality those FBI coins (stolen, robbed coins) are going into circulation one way or another ...

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June 17, 2014, 05:44:23 PM
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this idea seems like it would set a dangerous precedent. If people decide to start blocking coins doesn't that defeat the purpose of bitcoin?

This, never support the idea of blocking coins ever.

Just like the "if you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" bullshit.  Be VERY afraid of who ever uses that line.. it is a fav of most dictators.
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I agree with the OP in principle, but in reality those FBI coins (stolen, robbed coins) are going into circulation one way or another ...

You should not agree with him...
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"The FBI is a violent underground organization that stole from an innovative startup." - That is how you say it in bitcointalk-eze. If you translate it to English it reads...
"The FBI busted a drug dealer and took his money."

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"The FBI is a violent underground organization that stole from an innovative startup." - That is how you say it in bitcointalk-eze. If you translate it to English it reads...
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The OP and his ilk will destroy Bitcoin.

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this just reminds me of extremist factions fighting other extremist factions, with no chance for conflict resolution or peace.
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Tell you what..................................

.....just send all your "dirty" Bitcoins to me.

I'll take care of them.

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"The FBI is a violent underground organization that stole from an innovative startup."

As much as I love that phrasing, blacklisting is a very bad idea. It was up to the innovative startup to protect their wallets with strong encryption and/or use cold wallets. They must have expected an encounter with that violent underground org sooner or later, no? But maybe they were consuming too much of their own products?   Wink

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The OP and his ilk will [try to] destroy Bitcoin.
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The OP and his ilk will [try to] destroy Bitcoin.
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Well, they will in any case certainly disrupt things for us all if they have even a small degree of success in this mindless endeavour.

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June 18, 2014, 12:08:00 AM
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Soo.. when they intervene .. its ok. When the people do it.. its disruptive.

I'm sure the Africans who conned, captured and sold their people to the slave traders, thought the same thing when someone with a conscience would have his/her say.

If/when the coins are blocked or taken back, the world WILL stand up and take notice of our small but significant victory.

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And as such.. cryptos will skyrocket. Wink

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Soo.. when they intervene .. its ok. When the people do it.. its disruptive.

I'm sure the Africans who conned, captured and sold their people to the slave traders, thought the same thing when someone with a conscience would have his/her say.

If/when the coins are blocked or taken back, the world WILL stand up and take notice of our small but significant victory.

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And as such.. cryptos will skyrocket. Wink

Oh, my.

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"The FBI is a violent underground organization that stole from an innovative startup." - That is how you say it in bitcointalk-eze. If you translate it to English it reads...
"The FBI busted a drug dealer and took his money."

That would not exactly be accurate.

The United States (and other countries) have rules and laws that must be followed and enforced.

If a rule and/or law if broken then there must be consequences.

This is similar to how Bitcoin works as if you try to spend an input that does not exist, your TX will not be confirmed, and/or if you try to scam people on the forums others will not wish to do business with you and depending on the severity, other will try to dox you.

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i don't agree with blacklisting any addresses, period.
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"The FBI is a violent underground organization that stole from an innovative startup." - That is how you say it in bitcointalk-eze. If you translate it to English it reads...
"The FBI busted a drug dealer and took his money."

Pretty much!

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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

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i don't agree with blacklisting any addresses, period.

Me either.
It's funny how when Mike Hearn even mentioned "coin taint" these forums went nuts with hateful, crackpot retaliation. Now that the FBI has coins people are screaming for a central authority to block coins.
It's a bad idea and it wont work anyway. Me or someone else will just buy the tainted coins cheap and sell them to you after a bath.
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i don't agree with blacklisting any addresses, period.

Me either.
It's funny how when Mike Hearn even mentioned "coin taint" these forums went nuts with hateful, crackpot retaliation. Now that the FBI has coins people are screaming for a central authority to block coins.
It's a bad idea and it wont work anyway. Me or someone else will just buy the tainted coins cheap and sell them to you after a bath.
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This is the problem with the OP's solution. The coins would be "tainted" and thus have less value then other bitcoin. The purchaser of such bitcoin could simply use a mixer to make it look as if their coins did not come from the FBI. Since most mixers are automated the mixer would have no idea that they have exchanged "tainted" coins for untainted coins until after the fact, they would be holding tainted coins due to no fault of their own
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https://twitter.com/CounterBalanceT/status/479254265081262080

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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things
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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things

Voting (and laws) are not a necessity when society builds a consensus on those matters. eg. FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT. Smiley

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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things

Voting (and laws) are not a necessity when society builds a consensus on those matters. eg. FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT. Smiley

In order for society to build a consensus wouldn't there need to be some kind of vote?
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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things

Voting (and laws) are not a necessity when society builds a consensus on those matters. eg. FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT. Smiley

In order for society to build a consensus wouldn't there need to be some kind of vote?

Nope. Smiley

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June 20, 2014, 03:16:55 AM
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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things

Voting (and laws) are not a necessity when society builds a consensus on those matters. eg. FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT. Smiley

In order for society to build a consensus wouldn't there need to be some kind of vote?

Nope. Smiley

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That wouldn't really be a consensus, it would be one person forcing others to do as he says
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June 20, 2014, 11:34:28 AM
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Disappointing to see that over a quarter of the people in this forum still haven't got a clue about how decentralised currencies are supposed to work.  The two possible correct answers are either 'NO', or simply not bothering to vote for an option at all because stupid poll is stupid.

Go and start your own Tardcoin that isn't fungible if you want to be able to block transactions and balances.  You don't belong here.
It's just over a quarter of People, who look into this thread.
There have been so many threads about blacklisting coins and all the good arguments against it, have also been used many times. So, I think most experienced users are just ignoring such threads.

Yes, fingers crossed you're right on that one.  Perhaps the people who voted in favour of blocking coins, or said they weren't sure haven't been around as long and are still new to the concept of crypto.  Thankfully there's enough old hands around to make sure it never actually happens and terrible ideas like the one in the OP never become a reality.

What if the votes were just "voting spam" of people that just vote random answers on polls on these forums? I have sure seen stranger things

Voting (and laws) are not a necessity when society builds a consensus on those matters. eg. FUCK THE ESTABLISHMENT. Smiley

In order for society to build a consensus wouldn't there need to be some kind of vote?

Nope. Smiley

Truth is a dictatorship. Tongue
That wouldn't really be a consensus, it would be one person forcing others to do as he says

That is to be expected when blind faith and ego are entered into the equation.

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June 20, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
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I like results of voting. There is still hope that BTC users really understand what BTC stands for and what it doesnt stand for. Only thing that needs to be done is to learn how to point your miners to another pool  Grin

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June 20, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
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The author of the thread registered on the same day he disappeared. Didn't even bother to read his post. It's obvious he was a troll and this thread needs to get deleted.

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June 20, 2014, 07:17:40 PM
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The author of the thread registered on the same day he disappeared. Didn't even bother to read his post. It's obvious he was a troll and this thread needs to get deleted.

Nah, haven't you noticed that longstanding member posts with relevant topics last a few pages and they're done. Troll posts go on forever. Thank God for trolls or Bitcoin never would have taken off.

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June 20, 2014, 07:28:09 PM
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Next troll please, change this one Grin
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June 21, 2014, 05:25:17 PM
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The author of the thread registered on the same day he disappeared. Didn't even bother to read his post. It's obvious he was a troll and this thread needs to get deleted.

This thread could help people understand why the OPs suggestion is not something that should be done.

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June 21, 2014, 05:27:14 PM
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False flag trolling.
Bingo. Bonus for brevity.

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June 21, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
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So we all want a free system that isn't controlled by anyone but as soon as someone you don't like owns a few coins we don't allow it. Yup, typical Bitcoiner logic. Nothing surprises me anymore. A lot of people here are hypocrite as fuck.
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June 21, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
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lite coin doesn't have a point

police are men just like us
and it *is* a valid transaction

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June 22, 2014, 01:59:30 AM
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So we all want a free system that isn't controlled by anyone but as soon as someone you don't like owns a few coins we don't allow it. Yup, typical Bitcoiner logic. Nothing surprises me anymore. A lot of people here are hypocrite as fuck.

This isn't just anyone. Its the false flag luvin douches at the FBI setting up what will likely be a rigged auction.

If I'm a hyprocrite, then you're a big fat pussy for bowing before your oppressors once again.

Non violent civil disobedience. FTW !

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June 22, 2014, 02:02:30 AM
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Miners chose Mining Pools. Mining Pools already prefer transactions based on their included fee among other things. The majority always carries on.

Start differentiating, offer real choice! No blind obedience. Do especially not pray to the blockchain hoping that this will solve every problem magically!

If the majority of the miners decide to block (and not censor) transactions it is their decision.

This is not only a ideological reason. It is a very practical too. Here we can show that we have power. Power which is not anymore under control of the "government".

These are not the words of your everyday troll.

Ty WarriorOfTheLight. Smiley

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June 22, 2014, 09:50:46 PM
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So we all want a free system that isn't controlled by anyone but as soon as someone you don't like owns a few coins we don't allow it. Yup, typical Bitcoiner logic. Nothing surprises me anymore. A lot of people here are hypocrite as fuck.

This isn't just anyone. Its the false flag luvin douches at the FBI setting up what will likely be a rigged auction.

If I'm a hyprocrite, then you're a big fat pussy for bowing before your oppressors once again.

Non violent civil disobedience. FTW !

Your 'shooting yourself in the foot' or 'cutting your nose off to spite your face' mentality is childish at best.  Destroying the currency because you don't like an organisation that holds a small amount is a petty, small-minded, monumentally stupid idea.  If you still haven't realised that's the notion you're supporting yet, then you need to put more thought into your posts.  Also, making the right decision in circumstances that aren't ideal is what takes real courage of conviction, which is the opposite of being a pussy.  Another concept you've got completely backwards.

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June 22, 2014, 10:00:17 PM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

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June 22, 2014, 11:03:29 PM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?


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June 27, 2014, 12:40:05 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!

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June 27, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
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LostDutchman:  welcome back.

WarriorOfTheLight:  still a dipshit for supporting proposals that would destroy the fungibility of bitcoins and therefore kill Bitcoin.

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June 27, 2014, 12:44:14 AM
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LostDutchman:  welcome back.

WarriorOfTheLight:  still a dipshit for supporting proposals that would destroy the fungibility of bitcoins and therefore kill Bitcoin.

EXACTLY!

Thanks for your kind post!

I been listening to my miners sing!

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June 27, 2014, 02:19:28 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!
People that seriously have these kinds of views are extremists.
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June 27, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
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I think it's not that bad.  The government might want to accept cryptos after they massively sell off their stash and the price skyrockets within weeks/months.
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June 27, 2014, 03:03:18 AM
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How is the FBI "underground"?

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June 28, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?
What if you were to simply piss someone off who had enough influence to get a specific address blacklisted?

What if a company that accepted bitcoin were to adopt a policy that others did not like, but was still within the bounds of the law?

This would make it very difficult for commerce to take place with bitcoin.

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June 29, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
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This is an idea for children.
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June 29, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
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This is an idea for children.
Do not put down children like that.  My eight year old daughter would understand why this is stupid idea.

This is an idea for infant cry babies.

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June 30, 2014, 03:15:10 AM
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This is an idea for children.
Do not put down children like that.  My eight year old daughter would understand why this is stupid idea.

This is an idea for infant cry babies.
I don't think an 8 year old could grasp the concept of money being fungible very well. This is especially true if the consequences of this were not explained to her.

I would doubt that someone that young could make the connection that "banning" coins of one person/entity would put everyone's coins at risk. 


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June 30, 2014, 03:55:54 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!
People that seriously have these kinds of views are extremists.
I'd like to chime in as a social-anarchist with "extreme views". I don't support big government - I don't support any government. Because I don't support systematic violence, oppression, or exploitation.
I am opposed to nation-states for the same reason I am opposed to capitalism - systematic hierarchy-based violence is ethically indefensible. We are not chimps - we know better.

There is no excuse for this cruel and infantile behavior in 2014. We've had ethics and reason for far too long. It's well past time we socially evolve beyond a world governed by violence and embrace the gifts of reason and compassion.

Regarding my perceived extremism...

"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims."
-Derrick Jensen

"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
-Pierre Joseph Proudhon

Yours in solidarity and compassion,

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