4 Card Motherboard

[JorgePasada]

So I'm new here, but just wanted to say Hi!

My question is, are there any confirmed 4 card systems out there?

What motherboards are they using? Cards and Power Supplies?

I'm looking at a 4 card system and right now I think 5850's are the most economical because I'm pretty sure I can get 4 of them on one PSU. They're relatively energy efficient and the Cost/MHash is incredibly low.

Apologies if I'm not scouring the forums well enough before asking this. TONS of good information here.

Oh, and is there a thread on vladimir's setup anywhere?

Thanks!

Jorge

[rezin777]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

[dust]

Keep in mind putting 4 cards on a motherboard results in the cards flush against each other.  5870s will throttle if not cooled sufficiently.  You may want to consider building 2 dual card setups with cheaper PSUs and motherboards.

[NOTAL]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

5850s are significantly cheaper to buy though.

[JorgePasada]

The cooling issue and the Cost issue is why I was thinking the 5850's would be better.

The 5870 is not as readily available, and when it is the price is between 2 and 3 times higher than the 5850's.

Are there people who have built custom boxes to put 4 high end cards on one motherboard? 6990's or 5970's

[Littleshop]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

5850s are significantly cheaper to buy though.

You would save money on the MB if you went with less 5870's. 

For me the 5870 is the sweet spot.  I would love to have a 5970 but I never run into them cheap.

[dust]

Are there people who have built custom boxes to put 4 high end cards on one motherboard? 6990's or 5970's

Yes: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42

[OgiDogi]

So I'm new here, but just wanted to say Hi!

My question is, are there any confirmed 4 card systems out there?

What motherboards are they using? Cards and Power Supplies?

I'm looking at a 4 card system and right now I think 5850's are the most economical because I'm pretty sure I can get 4 of them on one PSU. They're relatively energy efficient and the Cost/MHash is incredibly low.

Apologies if I'm not scouring the forums well enough before asking this. TONS of good information here.

Oh, and is there a thread on vladimir's setup anywhere?

Thanks!

Jorge

You might be interested in some set-up like this one.


P.S. dust seems to have it bookmarked while I was googling for "whitepixel"

[JorgePasada]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

5850s are significantly cheaper to buy though.

You would save money on the MB if you went with less 5870's. 

For me the 5870 is the sweet spot.  I would love to have a 5970 but I never run into them cheap.

Where can you get 5870's for a reasonable price though? Everywhere I'm finding them they're 300+

[bitjet]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

5850s are significantly cheaper to buy though.

You would save money on the MB if you went with less 5870's. 

For me the 5870 is the sweet spot.  I would love to have a 5970 but I never run into them cheap.

Where can you get 5870's for a reasonable price though? Everywhere I'm finding them they're 300+

ebay... just over 200 shipped.

[JorgePasada]

So in regards to PCI-E 16x slots.

Most boards have 2x 16x operating at 16x and 16x or 16x and 8x or 8x and 8x.

Even the high end ones with 4 slots are usually only 16x 16x 8x 4x

My question is does having cards in the 8x and 4x slots decrease your mining throughput?

[[Tycho]]

My question is does having cards in the 8x and 4x slots decrease your mining throughput?

No. PCIe x1 is perfectly fine for mining

[Jaime Frontero]

5850s are not as efficient as 5870s. Less stream processors is my guess as to why. You can get four 5870s on one PSU, no problem.

5850s are significantly cheaper to buy though.

You would save money on the MB if you went with less 5870's. 

For me the 5870 is the sweet spot.  I would love to have a 5970 but I never run into them cheap.

Where can you get 5870's for a reasonable price though? Everywhere I'm finding them they're 300+

$249 with a $50 rebate:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331363

i just picked up a couple.  and the cheapest 5850s are only twenty bucks less:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346683

MicroCenter is better than NewEgg - and i have one just down the road...

[grndzero]

$249 with a $50 rebate:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331363

i just picked up a couple.  and the cheapest 5850s are only twenty bucks less:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346683

MicroCenter is better than NewEgg - and i have one just down the road...

The same 5850 is $40 cheaper on newegg with rebate.

The coolers on those cards are nice but they don't vent out of the case, they just pass they heat issue from the card to the case.

The reference ones are better.

[Jaime Frontero]

$249 with a $50 rebate:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331363

i just picked up a couple.  and the cheapest 5850s are only twenty bucks less:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346683

MicroCenter is better than NewEgg - and i have one just down the road...

The same 5850 is $40 cheaper on newegg with rebate.

The coolers on those cards are nice but they don't vent out of the case, they just pass they heat issue from the card to the case.

The reference ones are better.

i've kinda gotten out of the habit of even checking NewEgg, since i found MicroCenter.  and the convenience is worth the occasional higher price.  i note that MicroCenter's ads include NewEgg pricing...

you're right about reference cards though - i spent an extra $50 on my latest mining case.  more fans than carter has little liver pills...

[shivansps]

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3534#ov

Thats one of the best choices if you can get one... you can up up to 5 VGAs on that MB using pci-e x1 risers. And its cheap.

or you can have an http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3645#ov for up to 3 VGAs.

[Veldy]

ebay... just over 200 shipped.

But how do you know that the card wasn't run to the point of damage when you get it from EBay.  Sure, it may work for games, but 98-100% GPU usage day and day out will reveal the damage.  If you get an EBay buyer who has a history of buying a higher end card on Ebay and selling their lower end card [and they indicate they are gamers], then it might be a safer buy.  I have no problem buying or selling cards on Ebay, but for this particular purpose, I am wary.  You may or may not get what you pay for.  Whenever ATI/AMD puts out a driver, a problem is likely to crop up which may or may not cause you difficulty ... will you blame it on the card [and seller] or the driver?  You won't ever know for sure.  New with warranty is my suggestion for mining.  No doubt others feel differently about this and that others have had success using Ebay, but YMMV.

[JorgePasada]

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3534#ov

Thats one of the best choices if you can get one... you can up up to 5 VGAs on that MB using pci-e x1 risers. And its cheap.

Where can I get these pci-e 1x risers at?

[JorgePasada]

$249 with a $50 rebate:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331363

i just picked up a couple.  and the cheapest 5850s are only twenty bucks less:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346683

MicroCenter is better than NewEgg - and i have one just down the road...

Newegg and Tiger Direct have the Saphire 5850 for 139 free shipping. Newegg w/o rebate Tiger Direct With.

So with tax, the card is around 220, Newegg has no tax so just 140. Nearly twice the cost, or at least 80% more for a 15% performance bump.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102932&Tpk=sapphire%205850

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365429&CatId=3669

I love MicroCenter too though, used to live not too far from the one in the Minneapple.

[JorgePasada]

As someone who bought out 80% of all 5970's sold on ebay.co.uk in 2011 so far, I must admit that Veldy is saying some quite wise things here.

Yeah I've had bad luck with the Ebay thing is well, and buying bulk from non OEM distributors. Support is pretty much nonexistent.

My theory is I'd be money ahead to pay the extra 10 or 15% on the cards up front to know that I can RMA them if anything goes wrong.

The 139.00 USD Sapphire 5850's on Newegg right now are looking mighty tasty.

How many cards do you have in those nice rackmount cases of yours vladimir?

[JorgePasada]

The reference ones are better.

Duly noted, the ones with the full covering around the heatsink and the squirrel cage fan?

[grndzero]

The reference ones are better.

Duly noted, the ones with the full covering around the heatsink and the squirrel cage fan?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129141&cm_re=hd_5850-_-14-129-141-_-Product

The turbine style fan at the end in the middle guides air all the way down the length of the card and forces most of it out the back of the case.

[Veldy]

As someone who bought out 80% of all 5970's sold on ebay.co.uk in 2011 so far, I must admit that Veldy is saying some quite wise things here.

Yeah I've had bad luck with the Ebay thing is well, and buying bulk from non OEM distributors. Support is pretty much nonexistent.

My theory is I'd be money ahead to pay the extra 10 or 15% on the cards up front to know that I can RMA them if anything goes wrong.

The 139.00 USD Sapphire 5850's on Newegg right now are looking mighty tasty.

How many cards do you have in those nice rackmount cases of yours vladimir?

Watch out ... most rebates these days have a limitation of one rebate per household for any given product; period.  It doesn't matter if you buy 20, you get one rebate.

[freeloader247]

This motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 3 5850 and 2 5770 would be sick! 1260Mhash/s anybody know how much power system would take?

[Veldy]

This motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 3 5850 and 2 5770 would be sick! 1260Mhash/s anybody know how much power system would take?

Rough guess is 200W per card.  That is optimistic [better to buy larger than smaller power supply].  Make sure the rest of your systems is covered at maximum levels [i.e. drives running full, CPU at 100%, sound, Ethernet, wireless, etc].  A single 6970 recommends a 550W power supply minimum.  Also, make sure you have a case with adequate ventilation and that you clean the dust out frequently.  I keep my GPU running at 75-78 deg C.  It took some work with making a custom fan profile to maintain this.  My goal is that as dust builds up, it still maintains this temp, but the GPU fan will spike more often and I know it is time to clean it [I use compressed air, but carefully so as to avoid moisture or the can liquid from spraying out [it is easy to do accidentally].  I tend to clean the dust out while my machine is running and then, when the GPU fan continues to spike, I power the system down and blow out the dust everywhere really well.  Seems to work so far.  I am not overclocking or underclocking any component of my system.  My thoughts are that I want longevity out of the hardware.  IF the difficulty level exceeds the return I need, I may play with this at some point to extend the usefulness of the hardware to pay for itself [I do use it for gaming now and again and I use it for work all the time, but I keep a backup card around just in case].

I think that putting all that GPU power in one case may prove difficult to cool with stock coolers, so plan on installing liquid cooling.

[grndzero]

This motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 3 5850 and 2 5770 would be sick! 1260Mhash/s anybody know how much power system would take?

Why not just go 4 x 5850 and get 1.44 GH/s ..

[freeloader247]

This motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 3 5850 and 2 5770 would be sick! 1260Mhash/s anybody know how much power system would take?

Why not just go 4 x 5850 and get 1.44 GH/s ..

hmmmm what board would you recommend for that

[grndzero]

This motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274 with 3 5850 and 2 5770 would be sick! 1260Mhash/s anybody know how much power system would take?

Why not just go 4 x 5850 and get 1.44 GH/s ..

hmmmm what board would you recommend for that

The same board and a case with 8 card slots. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130274

[bitjet]

ebay... just over 200 shipped.

But how do you know that the card wasn't run to the point of damage when you get it from EBay.  Sure, it may work for games, but 98-100% GPU usage day and day out will reveal the damage. 

Hey its a gamble like everything else. I bought two used 5xxx cards and they have been mining hard for 3 months without any issue.

[bitjet]

The reference ones are better.

Duly noted, the ones with the full covering around the heatsink and the squirrel cage fan?

this dont matter much if you are like some of us that simply strap our mobos, psu & hd to a plate and run it without a case. Much better cooling, especially in my field stone basement.

[EPiSKiNG]

The reference ones are better.

Duly noted, the ones with the full covering around the heatsink and the squirrel cage fan?

this dont matter much if you are like some of us that simply strap our mobos, psu & hd to a plate and run it without a case. Much better cooling, especially in my field stone basement.

What do you mean by plate? Like just on the counter?  Have a link?  I'm looking for a good case system for my next rig build.

-EP

[Clavulanic]

$249 with a $50 rebate:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331363

i just picked up a couple.  and the cheapest 5850s are only twenty bucks less:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0346683

MicroCenter is better than NewEgg - and i have one just down the road...

The same 5850 is $40 cheaper on newegg with rebate.

The coolers on those cards are nice but they don't vent out of the case, they just pass they heat issue from the card to the case.

The reference ones are better.

Incorrect in most situations. http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-radeon-5870-soc-review/6

Simply looking at the cooler will tell one that it is capable of cooling better than the stock one.  If you've taken apart a 5870 you will see that the cooler is pretty measly. This one has more surface area and the heat is better conducted via heat pipes. The review says it all. I'm going to say that if you're spending $200+ on a graphics card, your case probably has adequate airflow, negating the issue of this card venting into the case. With an antec 300 I for one, am not concerned as my airflow is excellent.

[chungenhung]

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3534#ov

Thats one of the best choices if you can get one... you can up up to 5 VGAs on that MB using pci-e x1 risers. And its cheap.

or you can have an http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3645#ov for up to 3 VGAs.

You can't insert a x16 card into a x1 slot with a PCI-E x1 riser. You can do that if you CUT open the slot.
And if you did, you might run into problem with system not recognizing the presence of your VGA, which might lead you to some solder work to do, to trick the system into thinking the card is present.

[Veldy]

I think the biggest risk of using a four card board is that you end up buying relatively expensive power supplies, cases, main boards and need to be careful about ventilation.  In many cases, two decent 550W PSUs are cheaper than a single decent 1000W as an example, although I think most people would try to use dual-card boards and thus need perhaps 800W PSUs.  It can quickly get to the point where it is cheaper to run multiple rigs [and often use existing parts you have around from previous machines or upgrades] and inevitable hardware failure will be distributed reducing your risk and replacement costs.  I suppose that using multiple dedicated machines will use a little more electricity though and I didn't take that into consideration for the long term.

Just my 0.02BTC worth.