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March 16, 2015, 11:00:52 AM |
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These genesis delegates will probably be replaced within 1h.
Numbers from your head?  Now i see only 90 nodes from which only 24 with latest version.  From my head - there will not be 101 voted delegates even in half a year  Let's make a bet of 100,000 XCR that after 6 months there will be 101 great active delegates. |
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starik69
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March 16, 2015, 12:49:58 PM |
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Let's make a bet of 100,000 XCR that after 6 months there will be 101 great active delegates.
If i win they will worth nothing after that |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 02:13:13 PM |
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Let's make a bet of 100,000 XCR that after 6 months there will be 101 great active delegates.
If i win they will worth nothing after that If you promise not to tell anyone else, I will let you in on a secret.......... You can have more than one delegate. There are users running multiple nodes right now, one was running over 20. What makes you think that the same user wont run multi-delegates? |
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March 16, 2015, 02:35:44 PM |
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There are users running multiple nodes right now, one was running over 20. What makes you think that the same user wont run multi-delegates?
Oh, i only thought that the Crypti DPOS is a way to corruption and scam.  And now you proved it!  |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 02:45:20 PM |
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There are users running multiple nodes right now, one was running over 20. What makes you think that the same user wont run multi-delegates?
Oh, i only thought that the Crypti DPOS is a way to corruption and scam. And now you proved it! No, XCR delegates are a way to secure the network, make it decentralized, and for delegate owners to have a steady income and return on investment. |
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starik69
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March 16, 2015, 03:06:45 PM |
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No, XCR delegates are a way to secure the network, make it decentralized, and for delegate owners to have a steady income and return on investment.
You really don't understand that in previous post you described how delegates will simplify a Sybill attack? |
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Passion_ltc
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March 16, 2015, 03:18:49 PM |
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Let's make a bet of 100,000 XCR that after 6 months there will be 101 great active delegates.
If i win they will worth nothing after that Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet.  No, XCR delegates are a way to secure the network, make it decentralized, and for delegate owners to have a steady income and return on investment.
You really don't understand that in previous post you described how delegates will simplify a Sybill attack? It's possible to run several active delegates from one node, yes. Same as it's possible in NXT to forge with several accounts at the same node, or even lease the NXT to some account, like many are doing. But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates. If someone is running 100 active delegates from one node, nobody will vote for him. It will even be hard to get enough votes to run one active delegates, as this is a spot many want. (Steady income, respect in the community, etc.) I know you from NXTforum and it seems to me, that you don't have a cryptographic background. I don't want to attack you, the least have a cryptographic background. So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! |
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crypti (OP)
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March 16, 2015, 03:22:31 PM |
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Oh, i see. There will be previlegeous delegates without votes.  Nice decentralized system!  No, there will not be privileges delegates. All delegates will be chosen by voters. Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details. |
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March 16, 2015, 03:25:38 PM |
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Crypti as crystal crispy lets try it... |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 03:39:27 PM |
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Crypti as crystal crispy lets try it... You scored a perfect 100 on my troll meter |
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starik69
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March 16, 2015, 04:28:51 PM |
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But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates. You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin?  So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! You never heard any critics for Bitshares?  No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters. So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. Why didn't you bet for 101 in 1 hour? |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 04:56:10 PM |
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But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates. You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin? So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! You never heard any critics for Bitshares? No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters. So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them. BTW, I could make more than 70 myself |
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Passion_ltc
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March 16, 2015, 05:00:29 PM |
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But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates. You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin? So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! You never heard any critics for Bitshares? No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters. So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them. BTW, I could make more than 70 myself Yea, I own 100,000,000.000001 XCR. /irony off |
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starik69
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March 16, 2015, 05:21:41 PM |
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You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
I never bet or take bets, you are very wrong here. If someone will make 51 delegates and vote for them the whole Crypti network become compromised and currency worth nothing. If you do not understand this you deserve your fate |
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Passion_ltc
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March 16, 2015, 05:43:33 PM |
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You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
I never bet or take bets, you are very wrong here. If someone will make 51 delegates and vote for them the whole Crypti network become compromised and currency worth nothing. If you do not understand this you deserve your fate I say you, it's nearly impossible to get enough votes for all those 51 delegates. You have to convince the whole community to vote for exactly these delegates. Also it will cost you a significant amount to even run so many delegates. Good luck fella.  You see danger where is no danger. |
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March 16, 2015, 06:11:48 PM |
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So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? You have to assume there will be enough participants for the system to kick in. If there are too few participants in it, only those few participants care about the platform and it will have nothing to do with other people and it dose not matter if it is vulnerable or not. |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 07:09:14 PM |
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You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
I never bet or take bets, you are very wrong here. If someone will make 51 delegates and vote for them the whole Crypti network become compromised and currency worth nothing. If you do not understand this you deserve your fate Delegates dont vote........ nodes do. After spending 25K XCR for each of 51 delegates, few of us would have enough XCR left in a node to vote the delegates very high. |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 07:12:05 PM |
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So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? You have to assume there will be enough participants for the system to kick in. If there are too few participants in it, only those few participants care about the platform and it will have nothing to do with other people and it dose not matter if it is vulnerable or not. As I understand the latest version, the foundation will have 101 delegates at the start of DPOS, and will then be replaced by non-foundation delegates as they register and come on line. The foundation delegates are "place holders" to ensure there are always 101 delegates. |
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Litoshi
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March 16, 2015, 07:13:46 PM |
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But with Crypti we have the community as a second protection layer, everyone will vote for the best delegates. You do not remember who voted for Hitler, Obama or Putin? So either you trust us or you explain in detail, why it is not a good system, which by the way Bitshares is running on since a long time already and it's working great! You never heard any critics for Bitshares? No, there will not be privileges delegates.
All delegates will be chosen by voters. So Crypti DPOS will not run until we find all 101 delegates? Or DPOS will start without 101 delegates and will be more vulnerable because of that? Litoshi is not technical part of our team, because no reason to ask him for this these details.
I didn't ask him, but somehow he thinks he can answer Okay, then we make a 1 BTC bet. You would be betting against a stacked deck. Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them. BTW, I could make more than 70 myself Yea, I own 100,000,000.000001 XCR. /irony off Max wishes he owned that many. We told him that he can't change the name to MAXCOIN until he owns ALL the XCR. |
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starik69
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March 16, 2015, 07:38:27 PM |
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Max has enough XCR , not on any exchange, to make all 101 delegates and vote for them.
BTW, I could make more than 70 myself
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After spending 25K XCR for each of 51 delegates, few of us would have enough XCR left in a node to vote the delegates very high.
Only i see here contradiction? As I understand the latest version, the foundation will have 101 delegates at the start of DPOS, and will then be replaced by non-foundation delegates as they register and come on line. The foundation delegates are "place holders" to ensure there are always 101 delegates.
crypti already said that you understand wrong. Please do not post here your delusions. |
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