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March 30, 2016, 12:59:39 AM
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Wealth always becomes centralized, there's no escaping it.

Decentralization can only be strived for much like fairness or equality, but even this has to be within reasonable restrictions. Life is unfair, Without the poor people, a rich man cannot be rich.

I hear ya. Sad to say, the world and human nature don't make for a neat fit to our ideals.

And there's also the Pareto Principle to consider. I know this sounds weird, but some rich folks might be successful bagholders at heart. Remember the "Free and Fair" fad - and how many folks just took their stakes and dumped? Exactly the same thing happened in post-Communist Russia ,when it was the C.I.S.: the privatization process was essentially the same as the "Free and Fair Distribution" model. A large majority of folks just sold off their shares for pocket money, many for far less than the shares were worth. The buyers who vacuumed up those shares formed the nucleus of the new oligarchs.

In more ways than one, 2014 was a disillusioning year.






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March 30, 2016, 01:04:28 AM
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Wealth always becomes centralized, there's no escaping it.

Decentralization can only be strived for much like fairness or equality, but even this has to be within reasonable restrictions. Life is unfair, Without the poor people, a rich man cannot be rich.

I hear ya. Sad to say, the world and human nature don't make for a neat fit to our ideals.

And there's also the Pareto Principle to consider. I know this sounds weird, but some rich folks might be successful bagholders at heart. Remember the "Free and Fair" fad - and how many folks just took their stakes and dumped? Exactly the same thing happened in post-Communist Russia ,when it was the C.I.S.: the privatization process was essentially the same as the "Free and Fair Distribution" model. A large majority of folks just sold off their shares for pocket money, many for far less than the shares were worth. The buyers who vacuumed up those shares formed the nucleus of the new oligarchs.

In more ways than one, 2014 was a disillusioning year.

Greed is an inherent human trait, and i think when equality is on the cards, people frequently forget this -- and get burnt as a result. It's why i don't like Communism Smiley.


But yeah, I get what you're saying.
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March 30, 2016, 01:38:28 AM
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It doesn't mean Microsoft would own NEM. It just doesn't guys, so you can stop posting all the Microsoft fine print. 

Then why do you supposed a mega corporation has interest in an open source project that is crowdfunded and could very well be a huge competitor in the future?

Don't forget how they have been brought up on claims of becoming a monopoly and buying out early start ups before.

Don't forget how Windows 10 is free but on the cost of sending your information back to central servers for who knows what.

Ok, so you're guessing.

So their plot is to steal all the altcoins?

No

Guessing? There's documents of the monopoly charges that have been raised against this corporation, even Europe has sued them for doing this.

A quick google search will show you.

Here let me help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

This has nothing to do with it. Stay on track

Let me guess, let's not fathom a mega corporation trying to take out potential future competitors, instead let's focus on temporary satisfaction of having a quick P&D for being listed with Azure instead of thinking about the possible long term benefits of a project like NEM succeeding on its own.
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March 30, 2016, 02:36:07 AM
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It doesn't mean Microsoft would own NEM. It just doesn't guys, so you can stop posting all the Microsoft fine print. 

Then why do you supposed a mega corporation has interest in an open source project that is crowdfunded and could very well be a huge competitor in the future?

Don't forget how they have been brought up on claims of becoming a monopoly and buying out early start ups before.

Don't forget how Windows 10 is free but on the cost of sending your information back to central servers for who knows what.

Ok, so you're guessing.

So their plot is to steal all the altcoins?

No

Guessing? There's documents of the monopoly charges that have been raised against this corporation, even Europe has sued them for doing this.

A quick google search will show you.

Here let me help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

This has nothing to do with it. Stay on track

Let me guess, let's not fathom a mega corporation trying to take out potential future competitors, instead let's focus on temporary satisfaction of having a quick P&D for being listed with Azure instead of thinking about the possible long term benefits of a project like NEM succeeding on its own.


I have NEMs long term future in mind. But that has nothing to do with this.

You are paranoid.

Monopoly - sure
Trying to steal the altcoins - ridiculous

What the hell? It's just not the play going on here with azure. LOL
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March 30, 2016, 02:42:49 AM
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It doesn't mean Microsoft would own NEM. It just doesn't guys, so you can stop posting all the Microsoft fine print. 

Then why do you supposed a mega corporation has interest in an open source project that is crowdfunded and could very well be a huge competitor in the future?

Don't forget how they have been brought up on claims of becoming a monopoly and buying out early start ups before.

Don't forget how Windows 10 is free but on the cost of sending your information back to central servers for who knows what.

Ok, so you're guessing.

So their plot is to steal all the altcoins?

No

Guessing? There's documents of the monopoly charges that have been raised against this corporation, even Europe has sued them for doing this.

A quick google search will show you.

Here let me help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.

This has nothing to do with it. Stay on track

Let me guess, let's not fathom a mega corporation trying to take out potential future competitors, instead let's focus on temporary satisfaction of having a quick P&D for being listed with Azure instead of thinking about the possible long term benefits of a project like NEM succeeding on its own.


I have NEMs long term future in mind. But that has nothing to do with this.

You are paranoid.

Monopoly - sure
Trying to steal the altcoins - ridiculous

What the hell? It's just not the play going on here with azure. LOL

I don't think you read right, I never said they are trying to steal the altcoins. Maybe patent and control the tech behind them, yes. Not steal them. Go back and read where I mentioned that, you will find none.
There is enough scammers in cryptoworld already doing that.  Roll Eyes
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March 30, 2016, 02:50:33 AM
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Can we just use the pay as you go plan without signing a agreement?
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/tag/baas/

I would be wary of Microsoft too. As with all big corporate entities, EULA's and T&C's are written for their best interest.

On a related note, it is crazy the amount of personal data Microsoft collects. It is written to basically cover anything one would do on a pc.
This is from the January 2016 Microsoft Privacy Statement
https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/

"Personal Data We Collect"
"We collect your first and last name, email address, postal address, phone number, and other similar contact data."

"We collect passwords, password hints, and similar security information used for authentication and account access."

"We collect data about you such as your age, gender, country and preferred language."

"We collect data about your interests and favorites, such as the teams you follow in a sports app, the stocks you track in a finance app, or the favorite cities you add..."

"We collect data necessary to process your payment if you make purchases, such as your payment instrument number (such as a credit card number), and the security code..."

"We collect data about how you and your device interact with our services. This includes data, such as the features you use, the items you purchase, the web pages you visit, and the search terms you enter..."

"We collect data about your contacts and relationships if you use a Microsoft service to manage contacts, or to communicate or interact with other people or organizations."

"We collect data about your location, which can be either precise or imprecise. Precise location data can be Global Position System (GPS) data, as well as data identifying nearby..."

"We collect content of your files and communications when necessary to provide you with the services you use. For example, if you receive an email using Outlook.com, we need..."

"We also collect the content of messages you send to us, such as feedback and product reviews you write, or questions and information you provide for customer support..."

"Reasons We Share Personal Data"
"We share your personal data with your consent or as necessary..."

It does not say you will be asked for your consent, it seems to be stated indirectly that you consent to it.

Windows 10 privacy settings. Sad
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March 30, 2016, 02:53:45 AM
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We wait jabo38
Do have answer from Microsoft first

Indeed, things may be changing along the road.
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March 30, 2016, 03:44:23 AM
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We wait jabo38
Do have answer from Microsoft first

Indeed, things may be changing along the road.

Glad to see NEM community is full of energy and heat.  Smiley
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March 30, 2016, 06:16:09 AM
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There is nothing in the agreement that suggests that they would own NEM or gain any rights other than on the code that we submit. As is clearly stated. We submit jack shit. 0 lines of actual NEM code is being submitted.

I'm not a legal expert but so far I haven't heard anyone clearly explain what sections of the agreement would grant microsofts rights to actual NEM code and why. Don't say you're not a legal expert so you shouldn't make assumptions. If you guys are all lawyers than explain some stuff to us and maybe we won't think you're paranoid anymore.

You guys just keep pointing out sections. Those sections don't sound problematic to most people because they only seem to entail the code we submit. Which again is very little and not at all related to actual code of NIS.

Anyway, we're never all going to agree so we might as well stop discussing it.


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There is nothing in the agreement that suggests that they would own NEM or gain any rights other than on the code that we submit. As is clearly stated. We submit jack shit. 0 lines of actual NEM code is being submitted.

I'm not a legal expert but so far I haven't heard anyone clearly explain what sections of the agreement would grant microsofts rights to actual NEM code and why. Don't say you're not a legal expert so you shouldn't make assumptions. If you guys are all lawyers than explain some stuff to us and maybe we won't think you're paranoid anymore.

You guys just keep pointing out sections. Those sections don't sound problematic to most people because they only seem to entail the code we submit. Which again is very little and not at all related to actual code of NIS.

Anyway, we're never all going to agree so we might as well stop discussing it.



Becoming added to the Microsoft Azure platform would have given Microsoft the right to “grant Microsoft, and those who receive the Code (means the computer software code, whether in human readable or machine executable form, that is delivered by You to Microsoft under this Agreement ) directly or indirectly from Microsoft, a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable license in the Submission (means the Code and any other copyright able material Submitted- is the act of uploading, submitting, transmitting, or distributing code or other content to any Project, including but not limited to communication on electronic mailing lists, source code control systems, and issue tracking systems that are managed by, or on behalf of, the Project for the purpose of  discussing and improving that Project, but excluding communication that is conspicuously marked or otherwise designated in writing by You as “Not a Submission.”- by You, including any associated comments and documentation) to reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and distribute the Submission and such derivative works, and to sublicense any or all of the foregoing rights to third parties.” Signing an agreement with Azure would have also have given Microsoft, and those who receive the Code directly or indirectly from Microsoft, “a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable license under your patent claims that directly read on the Code to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell and import or otherwise dispose of the Code.”

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Sounds to me like the moment you Submit Code to their Azure platform (the Project) they own you. They use words like Code and Submit to cover the entire project, it's capitalized because it refers to the definitions given in the agreement. If it was as simple as you claim it to be, there wouldn't be a problem indeed, unfortunately it's not that simple. Would be nice to have some confirmation from a laywer indeed.  Smiley

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March 30, 2016, 07:02:29 AM
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There is nothing in the agreement that suggests that they would own NEM or gain any rights other than on the code that we submit. As is clearly stated. We submit jack shit. 0 lines of actual NEM code is being submitted.

I'm not a legal expert but so far I haven't heard anyone clearly explain what sections of the agreement would grant microsofts rights to actual NEM code and why. Don't say you're not a legal expert so you shouldn't make assumptions. If you guys are all lawyers than explain some stuff to us and maybe we won't think you're paranoid anymore.

You guys just keep pointing out sections. Those sections don't sound problematic to most people because they only seem to entail the code we submit. Which again is very little and not at all related to actual code of NIS.

Anyway, we're never all going to agree so we might as well stop discussing it.



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“Project”
means any of the projects owned or managed by Microsoft and offered under a license
approved by the Open Source Initiative (www.opensource.org).

Sounds to me like the moment you Submit Code to their Azure platform (the Project) they own you. They use words like Code and Submit to cover the entire project, it's capitalized because it refers to the definitions given in the agreement. If it was as simple as you claim it to be, there wouldn't be a problem indeed, unfortunately it's not that simple. Would be nice to have some confirmation from a laywer indeed.  Smiley

The project is Azure.
The moment you submit code they own that particular code. Since the code is almost nothing I'd be fine with that.

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March 30, 2016, 07:05:47 AM
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Sounds to me like the moment you Submit Code to their Azure platform (the Project) they own you. They use words like Code and Submit to cover the entire project, it's capitalized because it refers to the definitions given in the agreement. If it was as simple as you claim it to be, there wouldn't be a problem indeed, unfortunately it's not that simple. Would be nice to have some confirmation from a laywer indeed.  Smiley

No it doesn't cover the entire project. The definitions are also quite clear. With "Project" they refer to the project you are contributing to, namely Microsoft Azure, and the code your are submitting are just a few templates.

I have no idea how you can interpret this into it. Also it just wouldn't make any sense, because everybody can submit templates to Azure. They don't have to be actively involved with NEM or whatever crypto. A random person could just submit a few templates and Microsoft would own NEM? Sry, not buying it.

This would also mean that Microsoft now owns WordPress, PostgreSQL, MongoDB, Redis, CakePHP, Django, C#, Node.js, PHP, Python, Ruby,... fucking Java? I think Oracle would have a word to say about that.
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There is nothing in the agreement that suggests that they would own NEM or gain any rights other than on the code that we submit. As is clearly stated. We submit jack shit. 0 lines of actual NEM code is being submitted.

I'm not a legal expert but so far I haven't heard anyone clearly explain what sections of the agreement would grant microsofts rights to actual NEM code and why. Don't say you're not a legal expert so you shouldn't make assumptions. If you guys are all lawyers than explain some stuff to us and maybe we won't think you're paranoid anymore.

You guys just keep pointing out sections. Those sections don't sound problematic to most people because they only seem to entail the code we submit. Which again is very little and not at all related to actual code of NIS.

Anyway, we're never all going to agree so we might as well stop discussing it.



*removing useless quote of the cla*

“Project”
means any of the projects owned or managed by Microsoft and offered under a license
approved by the Open Source Initiative (www.opensource.org).

Sounds to me like the moment you Submit Code to their Azure platform (the Project) they own you. They use words like Code and Submit to cover the entire project, it's capitalized because it refers to the definitions given in the agreement. If it was as simple as you claim it to be, there wouldn't be a problem indeed, unfortunately it's not that simple. Would be nice to have some confirmation from a laywer indeed.  Smiley

The project is Azure.
The moment you submit code they own that particular code. Since the code is almost nothing I'd be fine with that.

Firstly, whatever gets submitted on Azure ever is theirs, not just code, everything, except the conversations that are marked as "not a submission". I don't know whether that's something NEM can afford, I think you know a lot more about that than I do. Secondly, the terminology is phrased in such a way that it might not be just the "Code" (everything that is being submitted on Azure", but also everything related to Code since it includes any "associated documentation" (which could possibly be the entire project).


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Sounds to me like the moment you Submit Code to their Azure platform (the Project) they own you. They use words like Code and Submit to cover the entire project, it's capitalized because it refers to the definitions given in the agreement. If it was as simple as you claim it to be, there wouldn't be a problem indeed, unfortunately it's not that simple. Would be nice to have some confirmation from a laywer indeed.  Smiley

No it doesn't cover the entire project. The definitions are also quite clear. With "Project" they refer to the project you are contributing to, namely Microsoft Azure, and the code your are submitting are just a few templates.

I have no idea how you can interpret this into it. Also it just wouldn't make any sense, because everybody can submit templates to Azure. They don't have to be actively involved with NEM or whatever crypto. A random person could just submit a few templates and Microsoft would own NEM? Sry, not buying it.

This would also mean that Microsoft now owns WordPress, PostgreSQL, MongoDB, Redis, CakePHP, Django, C#, Node.js, PHP, Python, Ruby,... fucking Java? I think Oracle would have a word to say about that.

Maybe I wasn't quite nuanced, but see my last post, I think there is reason to be suspicious.

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My advice is this:

Do we need Azure?

Secondly, if we do jump on board, i say this - SEEK LEGAL ADVICE FIRST.
And i mean professional, solid legal advice from more than one lawyer experienced in the field.

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Firstly, whatever gets submitted on Azure ever is theirs, not just code, everything, except the conversations that are marked as "not a submission". I don't know whether that's something NEM can afford, I think you know a lot more about that than I do.

We are just submitting templates (some shell scripts). Why wouldn't that be something we can afford?

Secondly, the terminology is phrased in such a way that it might not be just the "Code" (everything that is being submitted on Azure", but also everything related to Code since it includes any "associated documentation" (which could possibly be the entire project).

No, just wrong.
You don't seem like you are a developer so let me explain to you what associated documentation means. It's a document which explains what the code does, for instance lists each individual function in the code and explains what it does. Nothing more. Plus it would have to be submitted with the code.


Also, again ... everybody can submit templates, they don't have to be associated with the project.
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Firstly, whatever gets submitted on Azure ever is theirs, not just code, everything, except the conversations that are marked as "not a submission". I don't know whether that's something NEM can afford, I think you know a lot more about that than I do.

We are just submitting templates (some shell scripts). Why wouldn't that be something we can afford?

Secondly, the terminology is phrased in such a way that it might not be just the "Code" (everything that is being submitted on Azure", but also everything related to Code since it includes any "associated documentation" (which could possibly be the entire project).

No, just wrong.
You don't seem like you are a developer so let me explain to you what associated documentation means. It's a document which explains what the code does, for instance lists each individual function in the code and explains what it does. Nothing more. Plus it would have to be submitted with the code.


Also, again ... everybody can submit templates, they don't have to be associated with the project.

Well if you are right there is perhaps maybe indeed not so much to worry about, BUT I do think the terms appear suspicious, why? because they use regular developing terminology but the terms also entail elements that are not usually contained in the conventional meaning, what NZminer says, we should get advice from a professional laywer to make sure it's one way or the other. In any case I think it's good to err on the safe side of caution.

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Tldr;

This matter has been sought with two lawyers. Both think that it is at best ambiguous, which ties in very much with my conclusion. We can argue until the cows come home, but as one who has been around in business for the longest time and have seen many more agreements in my life, I have no doubt in my mind that the agreement was structured for their benefit, i.e., ambiguous enough to turn things around when they want to.

If NEM was a shit coin, they won't care. But if NEM becomes a hot property, that is when NEM will be slaughtered using this agreement.

Please refrain from saying that if Ethereum did that then, there shouldn't be a problem. I would say that is what 99% of the population will think. I belong to the 1% who will look specifically at the problem without trying to be influenced by anything else.

The problem here is the agreement and how all this is structured, not whether Ethereum has signed or not. Good luck to them. The agreement is explicit enough to show ambiguity.

Please do not conclude in what you want to believe it to be. If your command of law lexicon and innuendos is absent, don't even contemplate on making any conclusion.

In the absence of any legal knowledge, the power of your English Language is important. And in law, the use of the language is so important that you need to really understand beyond what a simple word can mean, and how this very word should be read in its entirety, within the context of the agreement.

In the context of the entire agreement, the Project can be called NEM and in the context of the entire agreement, it can mean to say that MS can take full rights of it, i.e., NEM to be given away free. You can argue about it, but the ambiguity is there. If there is ambiguity, there is room for exploitation, and exploit they will.

I only need to ask one question. If they are sincere, then let's make it very clear. If not, I do not believe the agreement is done in all sincerity.

The fact that we write pages about this shows its ambiguity. It is so easy to judge from what has transpired in the last couple of days.



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March 30, 2016, 09:47:22 AM
 #22819

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What happens if a random person not actively involved with NEM submits templates? Does MS own NEM then? That could happen any day, because anyone can submit templates.
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What happens if a random person not actively involved with NEM submits templates? Does MS own NEM then? That could happen any day, because anyone can submit templates.

Technically, if you look at the agreement, he has breached it. He is in trouble.


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