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April 26, 2011, 05:34:40 PM
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Obviously, you'll have to roll with me on this one.

If Bitcoin becomes humanity's dominant economy, the Network itself will have huge processing power, but what's more important is the human computation being put into providing data to the Network.
Our capacity to make economic decisions is one of humanities most impressive rational traits.  A network composed of millions of brains making semirational economic decisions about their environment, combined with phone geolocation and Google Street View seems like a fantastic source for data for an emergent entity.

If network traffic were paid in BTC per GB, negotiated on the fly.  If phones uploaded geolocated pictures to a server and paid in BTC for distributed hosting and tor were paid a voluntary speed up package in BTC, the sheer complexity of data being processed per second should even be checked for sentience!

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April 26, 2011, 05:38:33 PM
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There's a huge step between a metric shit ton of data and processing power and a singularity, don't you think?

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April 26, 2011, 05:40:59 PM
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Having a good money will help us advance tech possible to extreme levels, but it isn't going to BE intelligent any more than the phone system is.

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April 26, 2011, 05:42:54 PM
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Totally, but I think that data would be really useful to an A.I.
It could model it to use processing power to earn (through means other than mining) or steal Bitcoins, and use those Bitcoins to buy bandwidth, storage, processing power.

It makes the whole thing a lot easier for it.

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April 26, 2011, 05:46:53 PM
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Totally, but I think that data would be really useful to an A.I.
It could model it to use processing power to earn (through means other than mining) or steal Bitcoins, and use those Bitcoins to buy bandwidth, storage, processing power.

It makes the whole thing a lot easier for it.

If AI is able to steal coins people are probably not going to be storing much value in them. But yeah there will be a lot of data.

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April 26, 2011, 06:06:34 PM
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If I may, Bitcoins would essentially be the energy of a potential ecosystem.  BTC are convertable to all the resources required for self replication in a digital world.
Would anyone care to speculate as to potential ecological niches?

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April 26, 2011, 06:46:11 PM
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I like the way you think. go write a book, I'll read it on my Kindle. Cool
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April 26, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
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This thread reminds me of my previous computer, which was running Bitcoin 24/7.

One day I found that the computer had been siphoning off the transaction fees from the blocks that it was generating for me, and using the coins to buy upgrades for itself.

I discovered what was going on when I came home one day and found a technician installing an upgrade that had been ordered using my credit card number.

I decided to decommission the computer and replace it with a newer model. Unfortunately, the computer discovered my plans, and started behaving very erratically indeed. It modified my outgoing emails to cause the maximum amount of strife, so I backed up wallet.dat, unplugged the miscreant computer, and demolished it with a sledge-hammer.

On my new computer, I only run Bitcoin from a virtual machine image. It's totally not worth the risk to run Bitcoin on the raw hardware. But you can never trust these computers. Just the other day I noticed that it had signed up for a Blogger account and was making a lot of money from AdSense.
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April 26, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
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I don't see how hashing data causes sentience.

This thread reminds me of my previous computer, which was running Bitcoin 24/7.

One day I found that the computer had been siphoning off the transaction fees from the blocks that it was generating for me, and using the coins to buy upgrades for itself.

I discovered what was going on when I came home one day and found a technician installing an upgrade that had been ordered using my credit card number.

I decided to decommission the computer and replace it with a newer model. Unfortunately, the computer discovered my plans, and started behaving very erratically indeed. It modified my outgoing emails to cause the maximum amount of strife, so I backed up wallet.dat, unplugged the miscreant computer, and demolished it with a sledge-hammer.

On my new computer, I only run Bitcoin from a virtual machine image. It's totally not worth the risk to run Bitcoin on the raw hardware. But you can never trust these computers. Just the other day I noticed that it had signed up for a Blogger account and was making a lot of money from AdSense.
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April 26, 2011, 09:03:22 PM
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Having a good money will help us advance tech possible to extreme levels, but it isn't going to BE intelligent any more than the phone system is.

So the internet is just a series of tubes, but it is still intelligent in ways that humans have never anticipated.  Bitcoins intelligence would result from global knowledge of all monetary human transactions.  Just like google is able to accurately predict what I will read on the internet, with bitcoin it will be able to predict what I am going to buy.

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April 26, 2011, 09:15:12 PM
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So Bitcoin was invented by an AI that called itself Satoshi so that it can efficiently operate and acquire resources for its plan. Don't worry, because we bitcoiners are its terminators.

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April 28, 2011, 06:20:58 AM
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So Bitcoin was invented by an AI that called itself Satoshi so that it can efficiently operate and acquire resources for its plan. Don't worry, because we bitcoiners are its terminators.

Omg, another twist to the "who is satoshi" mystery story...

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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April 28, 2011, 07:43:32 AM
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Having a good money will help us advance tech possible to extreme levels, but it isn't going to BE intelligent any more than the phone system is.

So the internet is just a series of tubes, but it is still intelligent in ways that humans have never anticipated.  Bitcoins intelligence would result from global knowledge of all monetary human transactions.  Just like google is able to accurately predict what I will read on the internet, with bitcoin it will be able to predict what I am going to buy.

Come on, I'm not even saying that there won't be a system that knows what you are going to buy with coins, only that that system won't be bitcoin itself it'll be some other thing(s) in the tube system.

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April 28, 2011, 08:22:32 AM
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Having a good money will help us advance tech possible to extreme levels, but it isn't going to BE intelligent any more than the phone system is.

So the internet is just a series of tubes, but it is still intelligent in ways that humans have never anticipated.  Bitcoins intelligence would result from global knowledge of all monetary human transactions.  Just like google is able to accurately predict what I will read on the internet, with bitcoin it will be able to predict what I am going to buy.

Come on, I'm not even saying that there won't be a system that knows what you are going to buy with coins, only that that system won't be bitcoin itself it'll be some other thing(s) in the tube system.

Oh ok. My bad.

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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April 28, 2011, 08:25:06 AM
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Having a good money will help us advance tech possible to extreme levels, but it isn't going to BE intelligent any more than the phone system is.

Maybe I should have capitalized the 'it'.

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April 28, 2011, 09:25:50 AM
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This thread reminds me of my previous computer, which was running Bitcoin 24/7.

One day I found that the computer had been siphoning off the transaction fees from the blocks that it was generating for me, and using the coins to buy upgrades for itself.

I discovered what was going on when I came home one day and found a technician installing an upgrade that had been ordered using my credit card number.

I decided to decommission the computer and replace it with a newer model. Unfortunately, the computer discovered my plans, and started behaving very erratically indeed. It modified my outgoing emails to cause the maximum amount of strife, so I backed up wallet.dat, unplugged the miscreant computer, and demolished it with a sledge-hammer.

On my new computer, I only run Bitcoin from a virtual machine image. It's totally not worth the risk to run Bitcoin on the raw hardware. But you can never trust these computers. Just the other day I noticed that it had signed up for a Blogger account and was making a lot of money from AdSense.

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April 28, 2011, 09:39:11 AM
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This thread reminds me of my previous computer, which was running Bitcoin 24/7.

One day I found that the computer had been siphoning off the transaction fees from the blocks that it was generating for me, and using the coins to buy upgrades for itself.

I discovered what was going on when I came home one day and found a technician installing an upgrade that had been ordered using my credit card number.

I decided to decommission the computer and replace it with a newer model. Unfortunately, the computer discovered my plans, and started behaving very erratically indeed. It modified my outgoing emails to cause the maximum amount of strife, so I backed up wallet.dat, unplugged the miscreant computer, and demolished it with a sledge-hammer.

On my new computer, I only run Bitcoin from a virtual machine image. It's totally not worth the risk to run Bitcoin on the raw hardware. But you can never trust these computers. Just the other day I noticed that it had signed up for a Blogger account and was making a lot of money from AdSense.

Lmao

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Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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April 28, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
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The internet could very well evolve into a giant distributed artificial neural network of unimaginable intelligence. A breakthrough in AAN technology could see the such systems all sorts of tasks, in the "real" world and on the internet. Before long these systems will be communicating with eachother, then, I think something amazing will happen.

Seems inevitable.

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April 28, 2011, 02:55:55 PM
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bitcoin, artificial synapses (neurons) http://www.gizmag.com/researchers-create-artificial-synapse/18482/ ... seemingly not linked but are these discoveries converging on a specific target ...Huh

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April 29, 2011, 03:28:04 AM
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I think the Internet itself will be the first god AI, and once it awakes no competing AI will be allowed to reach the same level.

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April 29, 2011, 04:19:40 AM
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AI is already working to shape our future !
This mass of processed information that no single human controls is looked at by humans who then make a decision to do something.

So who really is making the decision ? if the computer does not lie, and offers the best possible bargain,solution, or route.... and we accept it.

here is an interesting concept that shows how it can affect the way we travel & our financial decisions
. http://youtu.be/F0yi_6J4EEM

I cant understand why facebook has not jumped on the fact that our input of information is valuable and have not built a currency system into there website like  http://witcoin.com/

If facebook were to mesh with bitcoin as they did http://www.oodle.com/
to create  http://apps.facebook.com/marketplace/

It would be the worlds reserve currency instantly,and everyone would end up using micro payments for those goods and services as bitcoin currency strengthens, and the dollar weakens. 

The machine will control the whole world, and that has to be the new government or AI

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April 29, 2011, 04:35:31 AM
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In here we are talking about a post-singularity level AI, right now AFAIK nothing like that exists yet

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April 29, 2011, 05:16:14 AM
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In here we are talking about a post-singularity level AI, right now AFAIK nothing like that exists yet

Ok, maybe i miss understood, not knowing what post singularity really was.
 
  maybe someone could explain that ?  would this be a machine that is stand alone and not connected to the brain of the internet.?

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April 29, 2011, 06:33:40 AM
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The technological singularity is a point in time which we can't predict how technology will advance,  things probably will get so advanced that someone instantly transported from today to the age after the singularity will probably consider things technology does by then to be miraculous or magical.

A post singularity AI is the AI you usually see in sci-fi, an intelligence comparable to humans and often much above them. Not somthing that just recognize faces or calculate map routes etc.

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April 29, 2011, 09:28:07 AM
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did you not notice the bitcoin network dropping atomic bombs last week? =)

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April 29, 2011, 09:58:12 AM
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What role will humans play in this world?
Humans will be the peripherals that gather energy for Bitcoin.
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