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June 16, 2014, 02:08:04 AM
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Ripple requires trust
Bitcoin requires no trust
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The network tries to produce one block per 10 minutes. It does this by automatically adjusting how difficult it is to produce blocks.
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June 16, 2014, 05:40:38 AM
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the problem with ripple is you have to make it onto the UNL list, to be part of the consensus.

You can't just join.

Who decides who get on the UNL list that is the question.

If you are talking about being a validator server, you are right. If you are talking about using ripple network, you are wrong.

I am talking about being a validator server.

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June 16, 2014, 06:45:57 AM
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the problem with ripple is you have to make it onto the UNL list, to be part of the consensus.

There's no such thing as the UNL, every node chooses its own UNL.

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You can't just join.

More precisely, you can't force others to put you on their UNL, since they like you are free to choose their own.

ROI is not a verb, the term you're looking for is 'to break even'.
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June 16, 2014, 04:27:21 PM
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Ripple requires trust
Bitcoin requires no trust
Every system requires trust. The most obvious trust required with Bitcoin is that you trust that 51% of the mining power won't get together and agree to refuse to build on any blocks that include your transactions.

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June 20, 2014, 02:18:45 PM
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Ripple requires trust
Bitcoin requires no trust
Every system requires trust. The most obvious trust required with Bitcoin is that you trust that 51% of the mining power won't get together and agree to refuse to build on any blocks that include your transactions.


+1 every trade requires trust of some level without exception, but you can not trust the scarcity model it always leads to centralization and control.   

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Two Kinds of Money

1.The Scarcity Model: A single uniform quantity in limited supply made valuable by its own scarcity.
In other words, the value of this type of money depends on the supply of, and demand for, the money commodity itself. Conventional definitions of money define money only in terms of this model, a "medium of exchange". Examples are: cowries, gold and silver, fiat cash and coins, bank credit, and now, in the model's purest and most spectacularly speculative form, Bitcoin.

2. The Abundance Model. A promise of something specific from someone specific made valuable by its redemption in real production. The value of this type of money is defined by the promised redemption in goods and/or services. As such, this type of money is promises of an indefinite number of non-uniform commodities in indefinite supply and, unlike the limited quantity "coin" concept of money, the total quantity of these credits in circulation does not affect their value, because the value of a credit is defined by what its issuer will redeem it for in real goods and/or services. Examples are: business-to-business barter credits, customer rewards, travel points, discount coupons, mutual credit systems.
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June 21, 2014, 04:20:30 AM
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Two Kinds of Money

1.The Scarcity Model: A single uniform quantity in limited supply made valuable by its own scarcity.
In other words, the value of this type of money depends on the supply of, and demand for, the money commodity itself. Conventional definitions of money define money only in terms of this model, a "medium of exchange". Examples are: cowries, gold and silver, fiat cash and coins, bank credit, and now, in the model's purest and most spectacularly speculative form, Bitcoin.

2. The Abundance Model. A promise of something specific from someone specific made valuable by its redemption in real production. The value of this type of money is defined by the promised redemption in goods and/or services. As such, this type of money is promises of an indefinite number of non-uniform commodities in indefinite supply and, unlike the limited quantity "coin" concept of money, the total quantity of these credits in circulation does not affect their value, because the value of a credit is defined by what its issuer will redeem it for in real goods and/or services. Examples are: business-to-business barter credits, customer rewards, travel points, discount coupons, mutual credit systems.

The second type you called abundance, but goods and services are scarce. This is why they are traded by scarcity-based commodities. You cant have 1 billion hours of quality devs as a redeemable promise.
Also, i disgaree that fiat money is under a scarcity model (look at QEs).

But in ripple both worlds are possible. People can create both kinds of tokens in there.
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