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March 10, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
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I have just checked out http://blockchain.info/p2sh and I have verified Deepbit has started voting for P2SH.

Great!  I just hope everything goes smoothly and multisig is a success!

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March 13, 2012, 12:47:00 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).
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March 13, 2012, 02:23:38 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).

And how, exactly, does one bother themselves "to include a couple bits in the coinbase"?  I have seen no options in any of my Bitcoin Clients to "vote" one way or another on any BIP!
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
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March 13, 2012, 03:43:17 PM
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I have just checked out http://blockchain.info/p2sh and I have verified Deepbit has started voting for P2SH.

Great!  I just hope everything goes smoothly and multisig is a success!

An update:  It looks like Deepbit isn't supporting p2sh yet.  The "mystery miner" from Spain has modified his bitcoind to only send blocks to other major pools in an attempt to hide where they are coming from.  Since bitcoind uses the first IP it sees a block from to determine the owner it is thinking some of the mystery miner's blocks are from Deepbit.

WRONG.  Er wait I am talking to myself.  Looks like Tycho has turned on p2sh support in some blocks to test it out so likely those blocks are really Deepbit's blocks.
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March 13, 2012, 05:08:35 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).
And how, exactly, does one bother themselves "to include a couple bits in the coinbase"?  I have seen no options in any of my Bitcoin Clients to "vote" one way or another on any BIP!
Sam

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It's NOT a voting and just adding a couple of bytes will make things worse.
Those who include /P2SH/ in their coinbase aren't  just saying that they like BIP16, it means that their software is ready to support it.

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March 13, 2012, 06:57:42 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).
And how, exactly, does one bother themselves "to include a couple bits in the coinbase"?  I have seen no options in any of my Bitcoin Clients to "vote" one way or another on any BIP!
Sam

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It's NOT a voting and just adding a couple of bytes will make things worse.
Those who include /P2SH/ in their coinbase aren't  just saying that they like BIP16, it means that their software is ready to support it.

That's all well and good and informative.

But my point is that this "voting" can only be done by developers/programmers and not by ordinary mortals like myself since it requires a code change and recompilation.

So that gives developers free reign to do whatever they want, no matter what anyone else may think.
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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March 13, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).
And how, exactly, does one bother themselves "to include a couple bits in the coinbase"?  I have seen no options in any of my Bitcoin Clients to "vote" one way or another on any BIP!
Sam

Edit: sarcasm removed, for now Smiley
It's NOT a voting and just adding a couple of bytes will make things worse.
Those who include /P2SH/ in their coinbase aren't  just saying that they like BIP16, it means that their software is ready to support it.

That's all well and good and informative.

But my point is that this "voting" can only be done by developers/programmers and not by ordinary mortals like myself since it requires a code change and recompilation.

So that gives developers free reign to do whatever they want, no matter what anyone else may think.
Sam

Really you are that helpless?  You can use choose to either use a p2sh capable bitcoind OR NOT.  You can choose to mine at a p2sh capable pool OR NOT.  Hence you can "vote" by your actions.
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March 13, 2012, 08:58:34 PM
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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).
And how, exactly, does one bother themselves "to include a couple bits in the coinbase"?  I have seen no options in any of my Bitcoin Clients to "vote" one way or another on any BIP!
Sam

Edit: sarcasm removed, for now Smiley
It's NOT a voting and just adding a couple of bytes will make things worse.
Those who include /P2SH/ in their coinbase aren't  just saying that they like BIP16, it means that their software is ready to support it.

That's all well and good and informative.

But my point is that this "voting" can only be done by developers/programmers and not by ordinary mortals like myself since it requires a code change and recompilation.

So that gives developers free reign to do whatever they want, no matter what anyone else may think.
Sam

Really you are that helpless?  You can use choose to either use a p2sh capable bitcoind OR NOT.  You can choose to mine at a p2sh capable pool OR NOT.  Hence you can "vote" by your actions.


I can vote for it or not vote at all.

Your original post states your annoyance at the 591, which I'm part of, that are not voting for or against.  Since I'm not a programmer and you programmers have not built in the option for me to choose, I cannot vote against.  And since the current client also is voting for P2SH with NO NOTIFICATION to the end user you have force people to vote for it that have no idea they are.
Sam

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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March 13, 2012, 09:46:09 PM
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I can vote for it or not vote at all.

Your original post states your annoyance at the 591, which I'm part of, that are not voting for or against.  Since I'm not a programmer and you programmers have not built in the option for me to choose, I cannot vote against.  And since the current client also is voting for P2SH with NO NOTIFICATION to the end user you have force people to vote for it that have no idea they are.
1. This is NOT a voting.
2. Not putting /P2SH/ in your coinsbase is the same as "voting against".

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March 13, 2012, 09:52:32 PM
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I can vote for it or not vote at all.

Your original post states your annoyance at the 591, which I'm part of, that are not voting for or against.  Since I'm not a programmer and you programmers have not built in the option for me to choose, I cannot vote against.  And since the current client also is voting for P2SH with NO NOTIFICATION to the end user you have force people to vote for it that have no idea they are.
1. This is NOT a voting.
2. Not putting /P2SH/ in your coinsbase is the same as "voting against".

I've heard you say that many times.  But how does D&T come up with this statement?

"377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other)."

Did he just make up the 32 that oppose?
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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March 13, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
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I can vote for it or not vote at all.

Your original post states your annoyance at the 591, which I'm part of, that are not voting for or against.  Since I'm not a programmer and you programmers have not built in the option for me to choose, I cannot vote against.  And since the current client also is voting for P2SH with NO NOTIFICATION to the end user you have force people to vote for it that have no idea they are.
1. This is NOT a voting.
2. Not putting /P2SH/ in your coinsbase is the same as "voting against".

I've heard you say that many times.  But how does D&T come up with this statement?

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377 Support vs 32 Oppose  (and 591 who can't be bothered to include a couple bits in the coinbase to indicate an opinion one way or the other).

Did he just make up the 32 that oppose?
Sam
Those 32 blocks were generated by Eligius, but they won't be accounted for.
He is just saying "I'm against it", without any consequences for the "voting" because only "Support" blocks are counted.

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